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[Samurro]

Reapers dont obliterate hole races without a purpose it seems, they use some population to rebuild new reapers. This new Reapers look similair to the species they are "filled" with. You can say, all Reapers we have seen look similar to the real Protheans.

They could also just want to rebuild one new Reaper, because Shephard destroyed Sovereign.
And they choose humans to be the "material" for it, because Shephard is a human and he did the unbelievable...killing one reaper.

My thoughts.

[Sina84]

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

Harbinger might very well be the Prothean Reaper. His incrediable control over the race may be another reason they harvest a races genetic material. Mental control may be stronger for each parents race.

That's interesting. I was leaning toward Harbinger being the Prothean-Reaper too, but EDI points out specifically that they tried to make a Prothean-Reaper and failed... Maybe what she meant was that the Protheans uncovered Reaper tech and tried to build a Reaper on their own to oppose the other Reapers, but failed at that (Like TIM seems to want to do). That still leaves room for Sovereign and co having them make a proper Prothean-Reaper after their defeat.

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

What question I think we should look at now is if this is how the race evolves and grows, where the hell did these bastards start?

I don't think that's too hard to imagine. Look at the Geth. They started out as robotic helpers just 300 years prior, but are now at the point where they will upload all of their programs and combined intelligence into a super structure, creating a hyper intelligent machine. What will happen when this super structure starts looking at the universe and judging it with its newfound godlike intellect? Since Geth are all about "improving themselves", how will this machine go about doing that? Imagine if this machine is allowed to evolve for aslong as the Reapers have, maybe it too will conclude that the best way to "improve" is harvesting genetic data from highly evolved organics. Right now Geth are seemingly respectful of other life, but maybe that will change when they have the ability to look at the big picture of things.

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...


Why do they also have very strong human referenced names?

Well they don't really. The Protheans named them Reapers. Saren named the vanguard Sovereign. Shepard/Cerberus named the new one Harbinger because it says it's the harbinger of our ascension. The name Nazara is so far alien. Maybe named after the species it's composed of?

And there could be something to what you're saying about humans being so unaturally special, which they point out alot in ME2. The ME1 caveman flashback made it clear that the Protheans were studying/experimenting on early humans. Hell, they had a base on Mars for this purpose. Maybe they had a hand in making humans what they are, and maybe it's connected to defeating the Reapers. That being said, everything still points to the Protheans being blindsided by the actual invasion. Maybe just a small faction found evidence of the Reaper cycle and did all this on their own, acting like a cerberus of their time.

[FlintlockJazz]

Sina84 wrote...

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

Harbinger might very well be the Prothean Reaper. His incrediable control over the race may be another reason they harvest a races genetic material. Mental control may be stronger for each parents race.

That's interesting. I was leaning toward Harbinger being the Prothean-Reaper too, but EDI points out specifically that they tried to make a Prothean-Reaper and failed... Maybe what she meant was that the Protheans uncovered Reaper tech and tried to build a Reaper on their own to oppose the other Reapers, but failed at that (Like TIM seems to want to do). That still leaves room for Sovereign and co having them make a proper Prothean-Reaper after their defeat.

Actually, I think an important thing to notice is that EDI is actually making conjectures as to the purpose and means of constructing the reapers, and that the reapers failing to make a prothean-reaper is one of those conjectures, she even says this herself.  Therefore, it is quite conceivable that the reapers did make a prothean-reaper which in turn means that harbringer can indeed be prothean in origin, though this is also conjecture on our part.

[atheelogos]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Sina84 wrote...

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

Harbinger might very well be the Prothean Reaper. His incrediable control over the race may be another reason they harvest a races genetic material. Mental control may be stronger for each parents race.

That's interesting. I was leaning toward Harbinger being the Prothean-Reaper too, but EDI points out specifically that they tried to make a Prothean-Reaper and failed... Maybe what she meant was that the Protheans uncovered Reaper tech and tried to build a Reaper on their own to oppose the other Reapers, but failed at that (Like TIM seems to want to do). That still leaves room for Sovereign and co having them make a proper Prothean-Reaper after their defeat.

Actually, I think an important thing to notice is that EDI is actually making conjectures as to the purpose and means of constructing the reapers, and that the reapers failing to make a prothean-reaper is one of those conjectures, she even says this herself.  Therefore, it is quite conceivable that the reapers did make a prothean-reaper which in turn means that harbringer can indeed be prothean in origin, though this is also conjecture on our part.

Good points. I guess we wont know for certain until we get an expansion, or until ME3 comes out.

[Razyx]

Why humans? The way I see this.



Mordin talk about it in his loyal mission, well, human genetics related with genophage but it’s the same. Human genetics is “flexible” and/ or adaptable, that means can mutate easily along the years (thousands). Mutates easily with small changes.



I think, in collector's ship, EDI talks about the experiments with proteans and the fail to adapting them to reaper's technology.

It’s me or the actual reapers looks like some kind of rachni warrior? (O_chibi noted it too )



Conclusion, the reapers want organic parts that allows them to develop and evolve in a better and quick way cause how, is already stated, a program can only evolve in a close range usually with inherited defects.

This way to operate is neccesary because the more time a specie can learn about the relee technology (their own technology) more possibilities to learn how to defeat them or, at least, be a menace. They have to evolve.

Harvesting only serves to gain the most amount of genetic material that can allow/boost a mutant change



Otoh the human form is useless, at least if you're not going to walk like a biped.



Note: srry about spelling I’m not english

[Talogrungi]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Actually, I think an important thing to notice is that EDI is actually making conjectures as to the purpose and means of constructing the reapers, and that the reapers failing to make a prothean-reaper is one of those conjectures, she even says this herself.  Therefore, it is quite conceivable that the reapers did make a prothean-reaper which in turn means that harbringer can indeed be prothean in origin, though this is also conjecture on our part.

Very true, and as experience has taught us, just 'cos a character says it, doesn't mean it's true. Like Miranda and the "Any biotic can do the bubble!" .. and how many times during ME1 were we told that the Protheans were an extinct race that build the mass relays and citadel .. then we find out that they didn't build them after all, and also aren't extinct but have been warped into bugmen.

[hitorihanzo]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nothing can convince me that having a giant flippin' Terminator in the Mass Effect universe was a good idea. Nothing.

This.

The mission was one of the most intense that I had ever played, up until that point.  Drew K. should be slapped upside the back of his head for coming up with, or co-signing that idea. 

[Zhijn]

justinnstuff wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nothing can convince me that having a giant flippin' Terminator in the Mass Effect universe was a good idea. Nothing.

This.

The mission was one of the most intense that I had ever played, up until that point.  Drew K. should be slapped upside the back of his head for coming up with, or co-signing that idea. 

Yeah I feel the same way. Everything in ME up until that point was believable. I didn't care for that fight, it just seemed so out of place with the rest of the game.

Couldnt agree more. You all got my vote. =)

[SovereignT]

It bothered me at first not just the fact that yes it does resemble a terminator but the fight as well.



After words however by thinking it through it makes perfect sense and to judge it by how it appears in just larva form would be like judging a butterfly by how it looks as a caterpillar



Its made clear that humans are the high valued species in this cycle but are still just one piece of the puzzle since a reaper could be made of several integrated assimilated species.

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

You can either chalk it up to rather poor story conclusion or wonder if the Reapers smoke weed and just have a twisted sense of humor when stoned.

[FlintlockJazz]

If you look at the artwork in the book, some of the concept art for the human-reaper looks quite different. Dunno why they went with the cyborg, but in the book there's a version of the human-reaper that kind of looks like a milky-white human crossed with the thorian from ME1, though maybe they were afraid that it wasn't obvious enough for some of the players like that.

[atheelogos]

I don't know what you guys are talking about. The reaper looked fine.

[AntWrig]

Zhijn wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nothing can convince me that having a giant flippin' Terminator in the Mass Effect universe was a good idea. Nothing.

This.

The mission was one of the most intense that I had ever played, up until that point.  Drew K. should be slapped upside the back of his head for coming up with, or co-signing that idea. 

Yeah I feel the same way. Everything in ME up until that point was believable. I didn't care for that fight, it just seemed so out of place with the rest of the game.

Couldnt agree more. You all got my vote. =)

Cosign. Seeing the "T-1000" was a complete let down.

[Schneidend]

It's called a larva. It wasn't finished. It would have been a giant Lovecraftian squid ship eventually. Get over it.

[atheelogos]

Schneidend wrote...

It's called a larva. It wasn't finished. It would have been a giant Lovecraftian squid ship eventually. Get over it.

agreed.

[Jlop985]

I thought the Human Reaper was great. It was certainly creepy as hell. I thought it was more of an homage to Terminator than a rip-off.

[Archereon]

On terms of a machine intelligence sub debate going on...



The current design for computer components (silicon based chips) and the current programming architecture we use is nowhere close to actual intelligence or self awareness. Reason says it should be possible to create an AI, but whether the necessary changes to create one would result in something we would consider a computer or not is yet to be seen. Philosophically you could say it is impossible for a machine to possess intelligence, for once it became intelligent, it would no longer qualify as a machine.

[Gingeraids]

I enjoyed fighting the Human-Reaper, even seeing it. I knew it looked similar to the T-1000...but come on. You're telling me that seeing one boss in a game ruined the entire experience for you?



Your standards are ridiculous if you ask me. One possibly out-of-place boss does not equal a terrible game.

[Zhijn]

Gingeraids wrote...

I enjoyed fighting the Human-Reaper, even seeing it. I knew it looked similar to the T-1000...but come on. You're telling me that seeing one boss in a game ruined the entire experience for you?

Your standards are ridiculous if you ask me. One possibly out-of-place boss does not equal a terrible game.

No it did not ruin the entire game expirence, it ruined my "epic feeling" up to that moment.

But that epic feeling continue after it was slayed!.

[AntWrig]

Gingeraids wrote...

I enjoyed fighting the Human-Reaper, even seeing it. I knew it looked similar to the T-1000...but come on. You're telling me that seeing one boss in a game ruined the entire experience for you?

Your standards are ridiculous if you ask me. One possibly out-of-place boss does not equal a terrible game.

It's like taking an import to a domestic car show. The T-1000 was out of place and not with the Mass Effect Universe. I would rather seen a gigantic computer chip or something. But come one, a gigantic human looking machine? Way too easy.

[anmiro]

Gingeraids wrote...

I would rather seen a gigantic computer chip or something. 

I thought that was hilarious. 

[Gingeraids]

Zhijn wrote...

Gingeraids wrote...

I enjoyed fighting the Human-Reaper, even seeing it. I knew it looked similar to the T-1000...but come on. You're telling me that seeing one boss in a game ruined the entire experience for you?

Your standards are ridiculous if you ask me. One possibly out-of-place boss does not equal a terrible game.

No it did not ruin the entire game expirence, it ruined my "epic feeling" up to that moment.

But that epic feeling continue after it was slayed!.

All is forgiven then.

[Darth_Ultima]

Nizzemancer wrote...

1. I'm quite sure we're talking about in game here, which happens to be a future where AI exist (just look at EDI).
2. If "Cause and Effect" is true then any life is just reacting to everything that has happened before. All our actions are reactions, in reality there is no free will.

Oh Brother.  If you are going to but in on a discussion then please have to courtesy to read it in its entirety and put in an opinion that actually is in the proper context to the conversation.  I am quite aware that in the game that there are AI's however the discussion went off on a tangent when someone claimed that outside of the game computers are capable of intelligence to which I disagree.  As for their being no such thing as free will all I have to say is that, "I think therefore I am."  If you want to go about your life reacting to things then that is your business.  I for one am capable of creative thought beyond day to day survival instincts.  If there is no free will then is there a such a thing as reality, would such things even matter?