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this romance obsession NEEDS to stop.


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MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Sadly, as humans will always will. Even the best of us, might get riled up by a certain phrase or actions that will stir the worst from us. Then we lash out, trying to impose our will upon another. The best we can do is to make sure it does not dictate all our actions and that when we do succumb to it, to keep it contained and acknowledge our own failings when we do.

Modifié par Madecologist, 17 février 2010 - 09:39 .


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Mass Effect 2's story is very character-based. It makes sense that relationships with those characters would be a big part of the game.

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You don't have to pile on the OP. Hell, without opinions there would be no forums ANYWHERE, much less a Bioware social site...

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screwoffreg wrote...

You don't have to pile on the OP. Hell, without opinions there would be no forums ANYWHERE, much less a Bioware social site...


Opinions are fine, but some people manage to voice them in horribly annoying ways, and those people deserve "getting piled on", I think.

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

You don't have to pile on the OP. Hell, without opinions there would be no forums ANYWHERE, much less a Bioware social site...


Opinions are fine, but some people manage to voice them in horribly annoying ways, and those people deserve "getting piled on", I think.


Maybe, the annoying parts and trolling on this forum are considerably less than most places online.  If you drive every poster away this will be a real quiet and sad forum.Image IPB

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Marschun wrote...

seriously, in the first game the romance mechanic was such a minor subplot to the actual game and didnt even really matter. that didnt stop people obsessing over characters overly creepy manner but i could deal i with it, a little bit of fandom never hurt anyone and people still talked about the games other features alot.

then the creepy tali and garrus obsessives finally got their dream and in the second game not only were they were possible romance options but also thane, miranda and jacob so the romance mechanic became more important and integral to the story and now conversation about the actual game mechanics is far outnumbered by freaking LI discussion.

theres 1060 goddamn pages discussing tali, filled to the brim with fanart, fanfiction and demanding that tali stays alive. its because of crap like this that theres no real story progression in ME2, nobody even has to die and its ridiculously easy to keep everyone alive. If tali, garrus or any other character dies THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, its called a STORY.

same with old characters returning and people complaining about their changes, "WAAAH LIARA IS NO LONGER MY SWEET AND INNOCENT LOVE".  the story changed her shes grown up, done things and changed. its called character progression.

bioware doesnt owe it to you to keep love interests the same, or give you more or make previous characters suddenly have romantic feelings towards you.

MASS EFFECT IS NOT A DATING SIM.

leave this creepy romantic feelings towards a virtual character to the JRPG and anime fans. stop demanding characters be kept around or be more important in the next game. stop demanding and asking that any  recurring or somewhat important character be romanceable and LET BIOWARE TELL THEIR GODDAMN STORY.

I loved the fact that characters were always going to die in ME1 and you had to decide who live and who wouldnt and i have no doubt the reason its so easy to keep everyone alive in this game is just so they dont step on any creepy fantics toes. its a shame that what will possibly be one of the best trilogies ever will have its story telling watered down to allow people to keep every character they like.

yes, they do want you to be able to decide the outcome of your game but not to the degree where they cant force you to make any real gamechanging decisions just so you can keep getting alien tail.

now go ahead and dismiss this entire post and bump the the dedicated character threads up 5 more pages and make threads asking Dr.chakwas and joker to be LI in me3 or even ask for more graphic sex scenes some more.


I agree, while the romance sublots are certainly nice and i think the ability to continue that little plotline in ME 3 would be pretty cool, Shepard is still a military guy or a spectre on a mission to save the galaxy, chasing tail should be on the bottom of his list of priorities.

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Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.

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No, they really don't have to stop. You are more than welcome to read and participate in any and all of the non-romance related threads.



They don't hurt anyone.

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hmm, i don't see a problem...what if someone read a romance book then?? need to be burned to???

buying the game for only the romance then you are a fool wasted like 45 euro's for little content.

but if it's their use it

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

People complaining about the fact that it's possible to save every crew member are amusing. Or saddening, depends.
If you don't want a happy end, don't upgrade your ship, or put Grunt into the vent, put Morinth in charge of the fireteams, and let Jacob try to do the biotic part. Don't forget not to do any loyal missions. You'll get all the life/death situations you could wish for.

I, personally, like happy ends, and would find it quite lame if it were impossible to achieve one.


I know an old saying from a friend, "my life sucks hard enough as is, I don't feel like playing a game to be reminded of how much life does suck."

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screwoffreg wrote...

You don't have to pile on the OP. Hell, without opinions there would be no forums ANYWHERE, much less a Bioware social site...


He's welcome to have an opinion. But it wouldn't be much of a forum if people weren't allowed to express counter opinions. He's only 'piled on' because more people feel the opposite to him. And also how he presented himself in his posts and his responses.

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Jarcander wrote...

I thought we did this yesterday.


I imagine it'll be repeated every day until the game is released.

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I for one think the game would be hugely and irreparably diminished if you took the romances away.



That you seem to think the romances and the story can’t be friends makes me sad.



“Why must we be enemies?” said Romance plaintively to Story. “Are we not brothers? Are we not both contributors to the magical world of fiction?”



“Because they care more about you than me,” snapped Story bitterly. “I can’t stand that. You always have more threads than me.”



“Now you’re just being petty,” said Romance soberly. “Story, without you, I am nothing! Doesn’t that comfort you just a little?”



“Not at all. Because I know damn well that without you, I’m nothing, either, and for that, I will never forgive you.”

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Nightwriter wrote...

I for one think the game would be hugely and irreparably diminished if you took the romances away.

That you seem to think the romances and the story can’t be friends makes me sad.

“Why must we be enemies?” said Romance plaintively to Story. “Are we not brothers? Are we not both contributors to the magical world of fiction?”

“Because they care more about you than me,” snapped Story bitterly. “I can’t stand that. You always have more threads than me.”

“Now you’re just being petty,” said Romance soberly. “Story, without you, I am nothing! Doesn’t that comfort you just a little?”

“Not at all. Because I know damn well that without you, I’m nothing, either, and for that, I will never forgive you.”


This. That story was so adorable.

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OP you can just ignore all the threads.  People can like what they like and romance adds to the story.  Bioware calls the game a space opera.  http://en.wikipedia....Space_opera     Romance is important in them but if you don't like the romances then don't do them.

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[quote]abisha wrote...

hmm, i don't see a problem...what if someone read a romance book then?? need to be burned to???
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No, they wanted romance so they bought a romance book, thats great. buying a RPG with a minor romance mechanic then doing nothing but demanding more of it is not. they should go play a dating sim, they would love it.

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No u.

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medlish wrote...

dude, chill



^ Agreed.  If you don't enjoy the romances included in ME I respect your opinion, but this is the internet and that means it's full of opinions.  Just avoid the ones you don't like, and enjoy your day. ^_^

Modifié par KalliChan07, 17 février 2010 - 09:51 .


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Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.


Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.


mind explaining how that's not what you're doing?

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All Bioware games have had romance options for as long as I can remember. Just because some fans obsess over a character isn't going to change anything.


Myself, I don't understand the hate some people have. Seriously, just don't go into a thread if you don't like it.


Also if you have a choice not to do romances if you want.  Options are always good in my opinion.

Modifié par jwilliamson77, 17 février 2010 - 09:51 .


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Romances are a major element of many compelling stories, and Bioware has been writing them into their games since Baldur's Gate. Conversations about "game mechanics", as you put it, do not make for interesting characters, and character development is of primary concern in virtually any game by Bioware. I'd go so far as to say that their character writing prowess is one of the main reasons that they have been so successful as a developer. The fact that people connect with their characters enough to have huge discussions about them is a testament to their abilities.

I, for one, am not one of the obsessive fans who read or write fanfics, or profess to wishing that they were real people. I do find it a bit creepy myself, and sometimes they do go overboard with their requests. But you sound as if you're using people's behavior to justify the idea that romances should be written out to a minor role, whereas I simply take it as evidence that Bioware is very good at what they do.

Bioware is an experienced developer and a great story writer; although they DO listen to fans, they also do not let the fans write the story. Bioware knows where they're going with this game, and they have from the beginning. If the fans clamor for an element that can be added without compromising their vision, they will do it as long as they feel it can be done right. I don't see any problem whatsoever with this approach.

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just to clear things up for anyone who is still confused. i am not against romance in the game, i am against people who keep asking for more to the point where the RPG part of the game is practically secondary to the romance.



ME is a rpg with minor mechanics, not a dating sim with minor RPG mechanics.

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just to clear things up for anyone who is still confused. i am not against romance in the game, i am against people who keep asking for more to the point where the RPG part of the game is practically secondary to the romance.



ME is a rpg with minor romance mechanics, not a dating sim with minor RPG mechanics.

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Well. about the ones you went out with last time, looks like the OP finally worked that stick out of his butt, but now he's trying to beat people to death with it. just my opinion though, there's really no need to go spreadin it around.

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HAGA NAGA wrote...

Well. about the ones you went out with last time, looks like the OP finally worked that stick out of his butt, but now he's trying to beat people to death with it. just my opinion though, there's really no need to go spreadin it around.


Thanks. That's exactly what I meant when I said that responses to threads like this are hilarious.