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[Kordras]

medlish wrote...

dude, chill

/thread.

[Marschun]

lyssalu wrote...

Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.

mind explaining how that's not what you're doing?

Im not asking bioware to do jack, im asking you guys to stop asking them to do stuff and influencing their decisions. bioware finds it neccesary to listen to only the most vocal part of thier fanbase when thats not always the wisest decision. i'd rather they just did what they felt was right for the game and stopped trying to please all the romance fanboys and girls

[Lord Exar]

Nightwriter wrote...

I for one think the game would be hugely and irreparably diminished if you took the romances away.

That you seem to think the romances and the story can’t be friends makes me sad.

“Why must we be enemies?” said Romance plaintively to Story. “Are we not brothers? Are we not both contributors to the magical world of fiction?”

“Because they care more about you than me,” snapped Story bitterly. “I can’t stand that. You always have more threads than me.”

“Now you’re just being petty,” said Romance soberly. “Story, without you, I am nothing! Doesn’t that comfort you just a little?”

“Not at all. Because I know damn well that without you, I’m nothing, either, and for that, I will never forgive you.”

Quoted for awesomeness.

However, it's true that the romance aspect of the game is supposed to enhance the story and, in turn, the story is enriched by the romance.  Though I strongly believe a story doesn't need romance, but romance needs a story.

When applying this to Mass Effect I think it's important to not focus too much on the romances, but at the same time, it's a testament to the fantastic storytelling that BioWare has given us.  People care about the characters and that will, undoubtedly, result in "shipping".  Face it, even if there weren't romance options there would still be a lot of threads talking about favorite characters and pairings.

[Kalypto]

Well damn, this thread went downhill fast.

[jingweisun]

I agree with marschun. this forum is flooded with freaks now. u cant state any opinion or ull be labelled a troll by weirdos and losers

this forum almost reminds me of the forum for a game called anarchy online. developer Funcom taking retarded suggestions from no lifers who have control over the forum because they stay on it 24/7 and block out all other opinions turned a good (and at the time revolutionary) mmorpg into a farce.

in my opinion the only romance that was non creepy and had good story and char development is with subject zero. the others are rediculous. romance with a fish, a dinosaur and a chicken legged freak in a robot suit. id rather romance a klingon

there was too much devoted resources on romance subplots and not enough on actual character depth. hence all the backstory of the team mates being identical, stereotypical and predictable

Modifié par jingweisun, 17 février 2010 - 09:56 .

[MsKlaussen]

Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.

Sorry - I beg to differ.

If you place a product in the public realm with the intention of charging people to purchase it and expect people to develop affinity for it and patronize your company in the future, you are deliberately making that product available for review and comment - be those comments positive or negative. The people who have supported your product have every right to not only have, but to express their opinion of it.

Exercising that right is not an automatic green light for others to attempt to shame them for even speaking.

I believe your misunderstanding has begun with the proper use of the word "dictate", and it's vast dissimilarity with the word "suggest" and the phrase "comment on". They really are not the same thing - at all.

Rather than bashing people, why not just refuse to click on threads dealing with love interests? They're clearly marked.

[HAGA NAGA]

Kalypto wrote...

Well damn, this thread went downhill fast.

it kinda had a "start at the bottom and work it's way down" approach to begin with though.

[gemc123]

jingweisun wrote...

I agree with marschun. this forum is flooded with freaks now. u cant state any opinion or ull be labelled a troll by weirdos and losers

I'm sorry, but looking back at the thread everyone who has had a different opinion to marschun has expressed so in an articulate and intelligent way. So...how are we freaks?? just because we think differently to you? seriously, grow up.

[Canez fan 1988]

It is a little excessive IMO. I'm indifferent to it I guess, but if it's going to continue I would like to see a bigger impact on the outcome of the game, instead of just a sex scene.

Modifié par Canez fan 1988, 17 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

jingweisun wrote...

I agree with marschun. this forum is flooded with freaks now. u cant state any opinion or ull be labelled a troll by weirdos and losers

this forum almost reminds me of the forum for a game called anarchy online. developer Funcom taking retarded suggestions from no lifers who have control over the forum because they stay on it 24/7 and block out all other opinions turned a good (and at the time revolutionary) mmorpg into a farce.

in my opinion the only romance that was non creepy and had good story and char development is with subject zero. the others are rediculous. romance with a fish, a dinosaur and a chicken legged freak in a robot suit. id rather romance a klingon

there was too much devoted resources on romance subplots and not enough on actual character depth. hence all the backstory of the team mates being identical, stereotypical and predictable

You're seriously surprised when people call you a troll?

[KainrycKarr]

jingweisun wrote...

I agree with marschun. this forum is flooded with freaks now. u cant state any opinion or ull be labelled a troll by weirdos and losers

this forum almost reminds me of the forum for a game called anarchy online. developer Funcom taking retarded suggestions from no lifers who have control over the forum because they stay on it 24/7 and block out all other opinions turned a good (and at the time revolutionary) mmorpg into a farce.

in my opinion the only romance that was non creepy and had good story and char development is with subject zero. the others are rediculous. romance with a fish, a dinosaur and a chicken legged freak in a robot suit. id rather romance a klingon

there was too much devoted resources on romance subplots and not enough on actual character depth. hence all the backstory of the team mates being identical, stereotypical and predictable

Anyone else wanna see this guy write a Mass Effect story? He sounds like a well-thought individual with excellent, reasonable ideas.

[crimzontearz]

OP, you do realize Bioware said MANY times that ME is about US spinning our OWN story right? if YOU want people to die in your story by all means let them but I will have my story the way I want it, which thanks to the miracle of subjectivity, is not necessarily what you might like and at the same time not wrong at all...



LIs are a central (yet not exclusively) parts of the story...I think you'll just have to learn to live with it and the oher players' attachment to them

[tsd16]

Marschun wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.

mind explaining how that's not what you're doing?

Im not asking bioware to do jack, im asking you guys to stop asking them to do stuff and influencing their decisions. bioware finds it neccesary to listen to only the most vocal part of thier fanbase when thats not always the wisest decision. i'd rather they just did what they felt was right for the game and stopped trying to please all the romance fanboys and girls

No matter what anyone does its not as if romance subplots will constitute more than maybe 5-10% of the game.

Lets just get to the real point of your thread, you felt to the need to insult a group of the fanbase because you feel they are losers.  /thread

[Vamp44]

It's ok guys...

Modifié par Vamp44, 17 février 2010 - 10:07 .

[boardnfool86]

1. be easy 2. this forum is full of video game nerds, myself included, what do you expect



I have a g/f whom I love and adore, I have no 'real' affection for the LIs in the game, but I really like the aspect of it as it makes the game that much more fun to play... stop whining - I think this forum has creepers too but I deal

[Naltair]

The internet is the place where you go to be angry.



Also it has pr0n.

[KainrycKarr]

Marschun wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.

mind explaining how that's not what you're doing?

Im not asking bioware to do jack, im asking you guys to stop asking them to do stuff and influencing their decisions. bioware finds it neccesary to listen to only the most vocal part of thier fanbase when thats not always the wisest decision. i'd rather they just did what they felt was right for the game and stopped trying to please all the romance fanboys and girls

Your opinion is in the minority. Also, romance subplots are very small, and do not take much resources.

Also, since you are in the minority, it would be a poor business decision for Bioware to make marketing and design decisions based on your opinion.

[SteelEagleShane]

Marschun wrote...

zhijn, what i was saying isn't that i hate seeing them or reading them because i dont even come here that often. my point is that it is Actually affecting the game so that they keep making romance more and more important in the game and in turn focusing less on actually gameplay mechanics.

oh yeah, we have 6 LI's now but still not good solution to the mako/probe problem. plus the choices in ME2 seem so goddamn unimportant and nothing really happens to your characters depending on what choices you make, and yeah its possible for everyone to die but its perfectly possible to keep everyone alive on your first play through. i want life or death situations and choices and everyone else is just screaming "I WANNA BONE JOKER AND SEE TALI'S FACE".

Do you honestly think that they spent so long on romance subplots that they didn't have time to solve basic issues?
No. That is a stupid thought process. Gameplay decisions such as the Mako and Scanning weren't impacted by the writer writing for romance subplots. The romance subplots did not impact your shooting, movng, galaxy map, thermal clips, loss of customization, graphics, and ****ty scanning.

If you want to play the blame game, blame the new writer. My issue with the romances weren't the number of them, but how well developed they were. Except for returning characters, none of the romances were developed as well as any romance from the first. And even then, I spent 0.01% of my time thinking about the romances and even the most Tali-crazed fanatic spends perhaps 5% of his/her time in game worrying about it.

The issue I find with you is that you use generalizations and very poor analytical and forum skills to attack others. An example;
I supported this idea for a DLC Poker Game, hoping that it woul lead to a lot more squad dialogue. I say to put it in a larger expansion and it would be fun. Does this mean that I want to turn Mass Effect into the Intergalactic Series of Poker? No.
And because other people want to see well-developed romances be a part of Mass Effect 3 doesn't mean they want this to be a dating sim.

[abisha]

[quote]Marschun wrote...

[quote]abisha wrote...

hmm, i don't see a problem...what if someone read a romance book then?? need to be burned to???
[quote]

No, they wanted romance so they bought a romance book, thats great. buying a RPG with a minor romance mechanic then doing nothing but demanding more of it is not. they should go play a dating sim, they would love it.
[/quote]

date sims not have aliens in them...
then it's just a normal, normal crap people wanna have a clean/other vision(fantasy's)

[Nightwriter]

Lord Exar wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I for one think the game would be hugely and irreparably diminished if you took the romances away.

That you seem to think the romances and the story can’t be friends makes me sad.

“Why must we be enemies?” said Romance plaintively to Story. “Are we not brothers? Are we not both contributors to the magical world of fiction?”

“Because they care more about you than me,” snapped Story bitterly. “I can’t stand that. You always have more threads than me.”

“Now you’re just being petty,” said Romance soberly. “Story, without you, I am nothing! Doesn’t that comfort you just a little?”

“Not at all. Because I know damn well that without you, I’m nothing, either, and for that, I will never forgive you.”

Quoted for awesomeness.

However, it's true that the romance aspect of the game is supposed to enhance the story and, in turn, the story is enriched by the romance.  Though I strongly believe a story doesn't need romance, but romance needs a story.

When applying this to Mass Effect I think it's important to not focus too much on the romances, but at the same time, it's a testament to the fantastic storytelling that BioWare has given us.  People care about the characters and that will, undoubtedly, result in "shipping".  Face it, even if there weren't romance options there would still be a lot of threads talking about favorite characters and pairings.

Perhaps you are right about my little story and you do not need to have romances to sustain a plot…
 
… just if you want to make it REALLY, REALLY juicy.
 

[lyssalu]

Marschun wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Marschun wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate to others how to go about their own lives has to stop.

Further reproduction of people who go through life feeling a sense of entitlement regarding their imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and create thier game needs to stop.

mind explaining how that's not what you're doing?

Im not asking bioware to do jack, im asking you guys to stop asking them to do stuff and influencing their decisions. bioware finds it neccesary to listen to only the most vocal part of thier fanbase when thats not always the wisest decision. i'd rather they just did what they felt was right for the game and stopped trying to please all the romance fanboys and girls

lol you're assuming they're not doing what they feel is right for the game; they've obviously disappointed you in the romantic aspects of the game, hence this thread, so you're subtly submitting the opinion that bioware shouldn't listen to their fans on how to approach romances, disagreeing with the route the romances have taken, and are thus feeling a sense of entitlement regarding your imagined right to dictate how bioware develops characters and creates their games.

here, have a cookie.

Modifié par lyssalu, 17 février 2010 - 10:07 .

[voidcommander9111980]

comeon guys dont make the guy unhappy

he seems to be gay afterall haha

mate ROLE PLAYING GAME without romance is **** !!!!

cause RPG's are the only games that have everything

and they rock so much

so dont speak bull****

Cause the renegade guys like me are watching ... GRRRR

(and you DONT want to make us mad !!! )

Modifié par voidcommander9111980, 17 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[Tamcia]

Romance isn't a major part of the game, it's just an addition. If you haven't noticed in Bioware games itscommon to get a romance option - you don't like it? Don't do it. I play MY copy of the game how ever I want.



On the forums I don't see why people can't discuss romance. Don't like it? Don't read them, just as I stay out of gay shephard threads - I don't like the idea, but I'm not bothered.



It seems OP want to have Gestapo crap, where people do only what he wishes. I don't around in the street shouting at people because I don't like how they dress, so don't go around telling people to stop talking about romance - again if you don't like that go to North Korea, where they don't have freedom of speech. Seriously - this is INTERNET, and especially Bioware forum where people discuss game related stuff. Show me the person who is holding a gun to your head and forcing to read those threads, or better GTFO!

[voidcommander9111980]

Guys give him a gun ... like JACOB gives it to his dad

so he commits suicide ...

ITS EASY HAHA:D

Modifié par voidcommander9111980, 17 février 2010 - 10:07 .