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Kordras wrote...

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I think this thread has earned the face my Avatar is doing.

Mordin is displeased.


LOL now if THAT isn't a meme waiting to happen...


You have set into motion that which cannot be stopped.

Mordin is displeased.


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yay! I'm glad something positive came out of this thread :D

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I'm going to add Mordin is displeased to my sig.

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Madecologist wrote...

Oh lord, don't list GTA... you actually go out on dates, and get randomly called and harrassed for dates at bad times.

Kelly: "You have 13 messages commander."
Shepard checks the messages.
Joker: Let's go Bowling...
Tali: I am feeling lonely, why don't you spend more time with me.
Garrus: Want to go see big turian teeties?

Shepard shoots himself.


**** was so annoying..

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Kordras wrote...


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At least some good came out of this thread. Image IPB

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RE0305 wrote...

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Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.


I personally care becuase of finite resources, even with the success of both games, the developers will have a budget and a time limit. Choices have to be made, what to concentrate on, what to develop more what less. What to add, what to leave out. Every line of dialogue, every scene and every moment in the game has a price tag, it is like this with every business project and the making of Mass Effect 3 is also a business project.

For example in ME 2 having more squad members meant having less dialogue with each character. I see people on this boards saying Bioware dropped the ball with this and that, characters were too shallow bla bla bla. What people do not want to understand is that Bioware catered to almost every demand people made after ME1 and this is the result. To give fans what they demand, something has to be left out.

It is simply not possible to add everything in the game or to satisfy every wish. The argument that "If you dont like it don't use it, but it should still be an option.." is just ridiculous. The fact that something gets put into the game means something else is not, its inevitable and arguing otherwise is just wishful thinking.


As i mentioned before i enjoyed the romances and would like them to continue in ME 3, but i don't want them to become the centre of the story.


As for people telling the OP to ignore the threads whatever, its kinda hard isn't it? Because if it weren't you would have ignored this particualr thread.






A smart business does not cater to the minority. The majority in this case LIKE and ENJOY the romances.

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RE0305 wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.


I personally care becuase of finite resources, even with the success of both games, the developers will have a budget and a time limit. Choices have to be made, what to concentrate on, what to develop more what less. What to add, what to leave out. Every line of dialogue, every scene and every moment in the game has a price tag, it is like this with every business project and the making of Mass Effect 3 is also a business project.

For example in ME 2 having more squad members meant having less dialogue with each character. I see people on this boards saying Bioware dropped the ball with this and that, characters were too shallow bla bla bla. What people do not want to understand is that Bioware catered to almost every demand people made after ME1 and this is the result. To give fans what they demand, something has to be left out.

It is simply not possible to add everything in the game or to satisfy every wish. The argument that "If you dont like it don't use it, but it should still be an option.." is just ridiculous. The fact that something gets put into the game means something else is not, its inevitable and arguing otherwise is just wishful thinking.


As i mentioned before i enjoyed the romances and would like them to continue in ME 3, but i don't want them to become the centre of the story.


As for people telling the OP to ignore the threads whatever, its kinda hard isn't it? Because if it weren't you would have ignored this particualr thread.





 But here is where I believe you and the OP separate:
You are talking about squad interaction and dialogue being impacted. He talked about gameplay mechanics being hurt using examples such as the mako and probes. His complaints and beliefs are idiotic; yours have more standing.

That being said, I still believe you are wrong to blame the romance subplots. If I remember, there were Ashley, Kaiden, and Liara in ME1. Three. However, they did want to use Tali and didn't only because they didn't know if people would mind the chicken feet. So she counts as being, at the very very very least, haf justified for ME2. So let us say four for ME2. But we have two more- Garrus and Thane. Garrus made sense since he was developed from ME1. Thane worked but I can agree with you that six was too much, Agreed!

BUT....
I think that is due to having a new writer. ME2 was not written by the same guy who wrote ME1. That is why I believe squad interaction was poor compared to ME1.

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Kordras wrote...

Mordin is displeased.

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Wooph. And here I thought nothing productive would come of this topic. *salutes*

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gemc123 wrote...

Kordras wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

gemc123 wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

I think this thread has earned the face my Avatar is doing.

Mordin is displeased.


LOL now if THAT isn't a meme waiting to happen...


You have set into motion that which cannot be stopped.

Mordin is displeased.


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yay! I'm glad something positive came out of this thread :D


Thread redemption. Bravo! :o

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People paid for this game, I say, let them play it how they want to.

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Kordras wrote...

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Its nice this topic actually led to some good :happy:

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the majority spamming the forums is a minority in the real gamer population

its always common for small groups of fans to take over the forums of a dev and have a monopoly of influence over fan suggestions through sheer spam.

the situation isnt as bad in bioware but for smaller games it includes much worse tactics like corrupt moderators and group flame baiting to lock threads. it ruins games

romance isnt big a deal i dont care usually, but ME2 had a huge focus on it and it was meaningless.
mob rule never turns well for game suggestions

Modifié par jingweisun, 17 février 2010 - 10:28 .


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RE0305 wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.


I personally care becuase of finite resources, even with the success of both games, the developers will have a budget and a time limit. Choices have to be made, what to concentrate on, what to develop more what less. What to add, what to leave out. Every line of dialogue, every scene and every moment in the game has a price tag, it is like this with every business project and the making of Mass Effect 3 is also a business project.

For example in ME 2 having more squad members meant having less dialogue with each character. I see people on this boards saying Bioware dropped the ball with this and that, characters were too shallow bla bla bla. What people do not want to understand is that Bioware catered to almost every demand people made after ME1 and this is the result. To give fans what they demand, something has to be left out.

It is simply not possible to add everything in the game or to satisfy every wish. The argument that "If you dont like it don't use it, but it should still be an option.." is just ridiculous. The fact that something gets put into the game means something else is not, its inevitable and arguing otherwise is just wishful thinking.


As i mentioned before i enjoyed the romances and would like them to continue in ME 3, but i don't want them to become the centre of the story.


As for people telling the OP to ignore the threads whatever, its kinda hard isn't it? Because if it weren't you would have ignored this particualr thread.







this guy totally gets my point and probably got it across alot better. if people want more romance then they will get it, but at the cost of something else. something that probably has more place in the game. 

if you guys ask for more and more romance, there will be less of other stuff. thats what i mean when i said "ME is a RPG with minor romance mechanics, not a dating sim with minor RPG mechanics."

if you keep pushing for more romance it will become a dating sim more than a RPG. they will favour spending time on romance then fixing issues more relevant to what the game is.

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Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

Wrex.

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jingweisun wrote...

the majority spamming the forums is a minority in the real gamer population

its always common for small groups of fans to take over the forums of a dev and have a monopoly of influence over fan suggestions through sheer spam.

the situation isnt as bad in bioware but for smaller games it includes much worse tactics like corrupt moderators and group flame baiting to lock threads. it ruins games


Basically.

I'm curious as to how many actual different people are posting in that 20,000+ response 'Tali thread'...is it just the same 10-20 obsessives? I can't be bothered to actually check, lol.

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jingweisun wrote...

the majority spamming the forums is a minority in the real gamer population

its always common for small groups of fans to take over the forums of a dev and have a monopoly of influence over fan suggestions through sheer spam.

the situation isnt as bad in bioware but for smaller games it includes much worse tactics like corrupt moderators and group flame baiting to lock threads. it ruins games


Well that's just a load of horse crap. You are using it to your own purpose. you don't know that the "real gamer" population shares your opinion, any more than i do.

Mass Effect is incredibly popular, has won multiple awards, and anyone who knows of it knows how much it sells.

and yet, where i live, I know of exactly one person i've met who's ever even heard of the game.

The bottom line is that the fan population that CAN be monitored, shows who is in the majority.

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RE0305 wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.


I personally care becuase of finite resources, even with the success of both games, the developers will have a budget and a time limit. Choices have to be made, what to concentrate on, what to develop more what less. What to add, what to leave out. Every line of dialogue, every scene and every moment in the game has a price tag, it is like this with every business project and the making of Mass Effect 3 is also a business project.
For example in ME 2 having more squad members meant having less dialogue with each character. I see people on this boards saying Bioware dropped the ball with this and that, characters were too shallow bla bla bla. What people do not want to understand is that Bioware catered to almost every demand people made after ME1 and this is the result. To give fans what they demand, something has to be left out.
It is simply not possible to add everything in the game or to satisfy every wish. The argument that "If you dont like it don't use it, but it should still be an option.." is just ridiculous. The fact that something gets put into the game means something else is not, its inevitable and arguing otherwise is just wishful thinking.
As i mentioned before i enjoyed the romances and would like them to continue in ME 3, but i don't want them to become the centre of the story.
As for people telling the OP to ignore the threads whatever, its kinda hard isn't it? Because if it weren't you would have ignored this particualr thread.


Well said sir...well said. I agree 100%.

I also love how everyone except maybe 4 or 5 people on this thread have completely missed the OP's point. He is being bashed for a point he didnt make :blink:.

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just wait man, come ME3 there won't be an unromancable character in sight. You'll have to romance atleast 3 of them and if you don't, Shepard gets destroyed by the Reapers during the endgame - because the power of love? It conquers all. Distressing I know.

Modifié par redloz, 17 février 2010 - 10:29 .


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These analogies are silly.



Mordin is displeased.



If Mass Effect were a dating sim Miranda or Thane would be standing in the kitchen whimpering softly in a puddle of their own urine or something cuz you didn’t hug and kiss them enough to boost their social meter and it led to cascade self-esteem failure resulting in them forgetting how to go to the bathroom and wetting themselves on the floor while sobbing.

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hahahahaha this thread will end with a public execution i think ... -_-

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adriano_c wrote...

jingweisun wrote...

the majority spamming the forums is a minority in the real gamer population

its always common for small groups of fans to take over the forums of a dev and have a monopoly of influence over fan suggestions through sheer spam.

the situation isnt as bad in bioware but for smaller games it includes much worse tactics like corrupt moderators and group flame baiting to lock threads. it ruins games


Basically.

I'm curious as to how many actual different people are posting in that 20,000+ response 'Tali thread'...is it just the same 10-20 obsessives? I can't be bothered to actually check, lol.


It isn't anywhere near as many people as actualy posts, however, it is quite a lot more than you think.

The same is true of all the support threads.

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Marschun wrote...

A very long rant.


Calm down, grasshopper. The game is new. Obsession is natural. Give it a few months, and these threads will slowly begin to die away. They'll never completely disappear, no, but in time we'll have only one per character. It's a natural progression. Don't try to force it.

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Druss99 wrote...

RE0305 wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Why do you even care? Just ignore it in game and don't visit the threads.


I personally care becuase of finite resources, even with the success of both games, the developers will have a budget and a time limit. Choices have to be made, what to concentrate on, what to develop more what less. What to add, what to leave out. Every line of dialogue, every scene and every moment in the game has a price tag, it is like this with every business project and the making of Mass Effect 3 is also a business project.
For example in ME 2 having more squad members meant having less dialogue with each character. I see people on this boards saying Bioware dropped the ball with this and that, characters were too shallow bla bla bla. What people do not want to understand is that Bioware catered to almost every demand people made after ME1 and this is the result. To give fans what they demand, something has to be left out.
It is simply not possible to add everything in the game or to satisfy every wish. The argument that "If you dont like it don't use it, but it should still be an option.." is just ridiculous. The fact that something gets put into the game means something else is not, its inevitable and arguing otherwise is just wishful thinking.
As i mentioned before i enjoyed the romances and would like them to continue in ME 3, but i don't want them to become the centre of the story.
As for people telling the OP to ignore the threads whatever, its kinda hard isn't it? Because if it weren't you would have ignored this particualr thread.


Well said sir...well said. I agree 100%.

I also love how everyone except maybe 4 or 5 people on this thread have completely missed the OP's point. He is being bashed for a point he didnt make :blink:.


I've actually responded twice, each time with going to the problem. Haven't gotten responses from either one, which makes me believe that they don't have anything to back ther beliefs up with.

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Tali rocks STF !!!

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The fact is this: romances have always been in BioWare games. They are not going away. BioWare gets the job done, and they have yet to make a bad game. You're blowing this way out of proportion.



I think it's safe to say ME3 will be good.

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Anyways - I don't understand the problem. Why do you think that the main story suffered because romances. I only ask you to point me out the reasons behind this asumption Marschun, because I belive that it's possible to make the story progress and still, keep romances highly developed, if BioWare decided to put that kind of complexity into the game, it's only natural for the fans to want more.