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[KirkyX]

I feel this thread should be used to encourage the creation of hilarious memes, rather than to continually beat the thoroughly dead horse that is this discussion.



This is my own paltry effort, someone do better.

[SteelEagleShane]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I still fail to understand how can you connect lack of dialogue with other team members with more dialogue with romancables... you seriously think that BioWare writers are told "hey, you - write dialogue for all teammates but you can't do more than 500 lines! Or we will fire you!".

I just think it is a skill or creative thing. Going back to that writing project; my story was the shortest because I am a concise writer; I got an 87. The second shortest story was written by a guy who was just learning, and it showed; 71. 

Many of the lines in ME2 were good. I loved Garrus', "I had reach. She had flexibility" run. I just think that the new writer needs to do what I sometimes need to do; think out of the box and have discussions about general topics that might interest two people talking. That is what happened in ME1; we would learn about family and beliefs even if it had no relation to the main game. That made the characters feel better.

If ME2 had maybe two more discussions per squadmate, then I would not have had a problem.

[KainrycKarr]

The same 10-20 people supporting Tali, garrus, etc?

Nope.

Credit goes to Nozybidaj for doing the original legwork.

Taking a look at Bioware’s very own social site we can see how much the
fans love to discuss and endorse their favorite characters.  There are
8 Tali specific groups containing 2,623 members, Garrus has 5 groups
containing 1,006 members.  Even bit characters seem to be loved and get
their own attention.  Characters like Kal’Reegar have group memberships
reaching over 225 members.  Even the comical Conrad Verner has his own
group., Ambassador Udina has 2

[Nozybidaj]

justinnstuff wrote...

Win!

[Sassymcgee]

I don't like it either, despite how much I like the two characters, tali and garrus, it's not manifested towards the LI, it's manifested in their actual character.

[SteelEagleShane]

KirkyX wrote...



I feel this thread should be used to encourage the creation of hilarious memes, rather than to continually beat the thoroughly dead horse that is this discussion.

This is my own paltry effort, someone do better.

Use the same words, except photoshop in a varren and Kelly looking all happy.

[Marschun]

KainrycKarr wrote...

jingweisun wrote...

adriano_c wrote...



I'm curious as to how many actual different people are posting in that 20,000+ response 'Tali thread'...is it just the same 10-20 obsessives? I can't be bothered to actually check, lol.

thats still small because milions of gamers bought the game

there is too much romance. since u only romance one at a time so much dialogue is wasted. the story is more tame and theres less npc convs compared to me1. theres almost no one to talk to in the environments, and they just talk one or two lines at most

there is nothing spectacular in the main story

this was supposed to be a dark second chapter with lots of ass kicking. after omega it loses steam because bioware tried to do too much and please all the irrational crazy fans

Dude you are speaking completely out of your ass. You don't know the other millions of gamers that bought the game.

They could be on our side...they could be on your side. you don't know. stop pretending that just because they arent here, that they must surely agree with you.

Bioware has ALWAYS done romances. It's part of what makes their games successful.

Bioware is successful because they listen to what their fans want. If they thought fans wanted more romances, and that was not the case, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

Mass Effect 2 has more overall content. part of content is romances. Thus more content= more romances. That's how it works.

you clearly have no idea how business work, especially entertainment business.

just thought i'd point out that ME2 does not at all have more overall content. the game is like 30-40 hours long with around 4 main story missions and the rest is tiny recruiting and loyalty missions which last all of 15 minutes each. theres also less armor, less weaponry and less dialogue with NPC's.

basically the only thing there is MORE of is romance.

[gemc123]

Marschun wrote...

furthermor, because i REALLY dont think anyone of you are getting this point yet. i am not arguing that romance should be completely removed or that no one should like or post about it. just that they should stop asking for it to be more and more prevelant in the game.

So let me get this straight, you want to control what people ask or don't ask of the writers? Seriously? The only thing those fans are doing are being proactive in their support of their characters. If you don't want more romance in a game, ask for it, but don't try to silence other people.

[Nozybidaj]

KainrycKarr wrote...

The same 10-20 people supporting Tali, garrus, etc?

Nope.

Credit goes to Nozybidaj for doing the original legwork.

Taking a look at Bioware’s very own social site we can see how much the
fans love to discuss and endorse their favorite characters.  There are
8 Tali specific groups containing 2,623 members, Garrus has 5 groups
containing 1,006 members.  Even bit characters seem to be loved and get
their own attention.  Characters like Kal’Reegar have group memberships
reaching over 225 members.  Even the comical Conrad Verner has his own
group., Ambassador Udina has 2

One thing I forgot to mention.  Udina has more groups than Liara.

[RE0305]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It's a compleate fail at common sense to asume that romances affect other content... compared to the rest of the game - they probobly take something like 2% of it, even in the matter of space. It's just few more lines of dialogue, few more motion capture scripts, 3 or 5 more camera angles set...

If you seriously want to blame something for lack of other content - make another thread about the new buffed combat system and better graphics because that's what you obviously want to complain about - that's what is taking half of the game's memory limit.

You guys are just annoyed with people getting freaky about love interest, I can understand it, but don't cheat yourselfes by making compleatly idiotic statements about romances taking away from the game.

Think of it this way, those few lines and motion capture sets, could be instead of those few lines and motion capture sets of the crew doing things togheter, actually showing the card game in the engine room, actually showing the crew having a meal togheter and enjoying it after you bring in the new rations and so on.

The romance subplots all togheter are not that small and they still are quite a big amount of content when put togheter, so i doubt my statements are more idiotic than the solid numbers and percentages you provided about the size of the romance content.

In the end i doubt anyone here is complaining about ME2, i certainly am not, i just don't want the importance or size of the romance content to be increased in relation to other aspect of ME3.

If the whole game gets bigger the romances should also get bigger, but their relation should stay the same, for example 30/70, and thats just a random number, but should make my point i hope.

[Kusy]

[gemc123]

KirkyX wrote...



I feel this thread should be used to encourage the creation of hilarious memes, rather than to continually beat the thoroughly dead horse that is this discussion.

This is my own paltry effort, someone do better.

There can't be enough mordin memes, i say

[KainrycKarr]

Marschun wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

jingweisun wrote...

adriano_c wrote...



I'm curious as to how many actual different people are posting in that 20,000+ response 'Tali thread'...is it just the same 10-20 obsessives? I can't be bothered to actually check, lol.

thats still small because milions of gamers bought the game

there is too much romance. since u only romance one at a time so much dialogue is wasted. the story is more tame and theres less npc convs compared to me1. theres almost no one to talk to in the environments, and they just talk one or two lines at most

there is nothing spectacular in the main story

this was supposed to be a dark second chapter with lots of ass kicking. after omega it loses steam because bioware tried to do too much and please all the irrational crazy fans

Dude you are speaking completely out of your ass. You don't know the other millions of gamers that bought the game.

They could be on our side...they could be on your side. you don't know. stop pretending that just because they arent here, that they must surely agree with you.

Bioware has ALWAYS done romances. It's part of what makes their games successful.

Bioware is successful because they listen to what their fans want. If they thought fans wanted more romances, and that was not the case, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

Mass Effect 2 has more overall content. part of content is romances. Thus more content= more romances. That's how it works.

you clearly have no idea how business work, especially entertainment business.

just thought i'd point out that ME2 does not at all have more overall content. the game is like 30-40 hours long with around 4 main story missions and the rest is tiny recruiting and loyalty missions which last all of 15 minutes each. theres also less armor, less weaponry and less dialogue with NPC's.

basically the only thing there is MORE of is romance.

uh, actually, there is quite a bit more dialogue in ME2, and that was stated by a dev prior to the release, i THINK the numbers were about 20,000 + for ME1, and 40,000 for ME2, give or take a little more or less.\\\\

If you actually bothered to pay attention, Mass Effect 2 is longer than Mass Effect. there are less quests, but each quest is longer and containts more dialogue.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. The devs have already put out there the actual numbers, even before the release.

Would also like to point out that Mass Effect 1 was not 40 hours long, especially if you did only the main story.

I believe the record for completeing barebones Mass effect was either 7 or 8 hours. there was a thread about it a while back, in which somebody claimed they could do it in 7 hours and someone took 'em up on it.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 17 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[Vamp44]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

[Chuvvy]

I agree it's weird to being roped into a group of fans like this,and difficult to have an actual discussion about the game. But we can't really change it.

[mjwoltsknar]

Marschun wrote...

now go ahead and dismiss this entire post and bump the the dedicated character threads up 5 more pages and make threads asking Dr.chakwas and joker to be LI in me3 or even ask for more graphic sex scenes some more.

OK SOUNDS GOOD!

[KainrycKarr]

justinnstuff wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

The same 10-20 people supporting Tali, garrus, etc?

Nope.

Credit goes to Nozybidaj for doing the original legwork.

Taking a look at Bioware’s very own social site we can see how much the
fans love to discuss and endorse their favorite characters.  There are
8 Tali specific groups containing 2,623 members, Garrus has 5 groups
containing 1,006 members.  Even bit characters seem to be loved and get
their own attention.  Characters like Kal’Reegar have group memberships
reaching over 225 members.  Even the comical Conrad Verner has his own
group., Ambassador Udina has 2

One thing I forgot to mention.  Udina has more groups than Liara.

Our group is a bit more united 

Yeah, we're kinda like the Vorcha. Just all over the place, and totally out of touch aside from one thread. But we certainly are loud, aren't we? 

[Nightwriter]

justinnstuff wrote...

KirkyX wrote...



I feel this thread should be used to encourage the creation of hilarious memes, rather than to continually beat the thoroughly dead horse that is this discussion.

This is my own paltry effort, someone do better.

Better than my attempt. My attempt got trolled and disappeared faster than Paris Hiltons acting career.

What was your attempt?

[OldMan91]

having a new writer doesn't change that much of the games gameplay last time i checked. even so, writers by nature of their profession are able to pick up existing stories and their backstories and continue them in a faithful manner.

Writers may have to professionally attempt to pick up from the work done by previous writers, but it can have an impact. As I have said, the question is: To what extent? Different writers have different ideas on what makes a character memorable or interesting. I'm not saying characters in Mass Effect 2 are worse than those in Mass Effect, but some of them are different. If you take Liara for example, she changes quite radically. There may be some in-game justification for it (or out-of-game anyway), but it's still a bit... strange seeing Liara become so bitter or cold.

furthermor, because i REALLY dont think anyone of you are getting this point yet. i am not arguing that romance should be completely removed or that no one should like or post about it. just that they should stop asking for it to be more and more prevelant in the game. it should always remain at the bottom of everything else because it has the least to do with what the game is.

No one is saying that you're saying that there shouldn't be Love Interests. You're grasping at straws. Like I said, romances may not be necessary or that important relative to the entire game, but Bioware has always had them and fans have always liked them. Improving them is a smart choice on their part.

yes, yes it helps develop the characters but not really, tali all of a sudden wanting to bone you after your second conversation with here regardless of how you treated her in the first or second game is just ridiculously blatent fanboy catering. besides, its perfectly possible to develop a character without hopping in the sack with them.

Tali does not "bone you" after the second conversation. It is also possible to lose her as a LI too. You're exaggerating. It is true that Tali was made a LI in part because of Fan demand, but it has also made Tali look more... human. She seems to be closer to a real person now.



I would also argue that, while "hopping in the sack" is not necessary to create a meaningful and in-depth character, it definitely helps and enhances the character, and makes the player much more emotionally engaged in the game.

[Kusy]

RE0305 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

It's a compleate fail at common sense to asume that romances affect other content... compared to the rest of the game - they probobly take something like 2% of it, even in the matter of space. It's just few more lines of dialogue, few more motion capture scripts, 3 or 5 more camera angles set...

If you seriously want to blame something for lack of other content - make another thread about the new buffed combat system and better graphics because that's what you obviously want to complain about - that's what is taking half of the game's memory limit.

You guys are just annoyed with people getting freaky about love interest, I can understand it, but don't cheat yourselfes by making compleatly idiotic statements about romances taking away from the game.

Think of it this way, those few lines and motion capture sets, could be instead of those few lines and motion capture sets of the crew doing things togheter, actually showing the card game in the engine room, actually showing the crew having a meal togheter and enjoying it after you bring in the new rations and so on.

The romance subplots all togheter are not that small and they still are quite a big amount of content when put togheter, so i doubt my statements are more idiotic than the solid numbers and percentages you provided about the size of the romance content.

In the end i doubt anyone here is complaining about ME2, i certainly am not, i just don't want the importance or size of the romance content to be increased in relation to other aspect of ME3.

If the whole game gets bigger the romances should also get bigger, but their relation should stay the same, for example 30/70, and thats just a random number, but should make my point i hope.

Acording to your logic - we should be also pissed about the fact that enemies shout anything more than "I WILL DESTROY YOU" and "I'LL KILL YOU" like in Mass Effect. Those several lines enemies have now could be spent on something else too... just as any other part of the game could be something else.

Legion has dialogue recorded in every mission past Mordin's recruitment - however you can't hear it because he's recrutaible nearly in the end of this game, you can only experience those lines of dialogue if you hack the game and make unlock him from the start. Other characters have those kind of hidden/impossible dialogue too, why not rant about BioWare not removing content that is scraps from previous desings, but instead rand about something irrevelant?

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 17 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[Kordras]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

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