Blake's 7 was kind of weird, but still cool. It's very hard to find here in the US, though. Red Dwarf too.
Mass Effect and the (new) Doctor Who
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#52
Posté 06 mai 2010 - 09:25
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OH come on, Mass Effect is extremely derivative.
But tbph, I don't really care
But tbph, I don't really care
#53
Posté 06 mai 2010 - 09:44
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Skilled Seeker wrote...
As I said Docter Who is FANTASY. It doesn't even try to give scientific explanations for all the crazy it has which science FICTION is supposed to.
Who cares?
Doctor Who is one of those things that always holds a special place in your heart, you don't care about its implausibilities. Its personality outweighs its technical shortcomings. By oceans.
#54
Posté 06 mai 2010 - 11:43
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True, I think the Daleks and Reapers can provide similar levels of scare, except that The Doctor can always stop or slow down the Daleks, but the numbers and power of Reapers.....even the Doctor would need a 4-6 part story to figure out how to stop them. That said, I'd get a kick out of some kind of crossover. Can you imagine Mordin and the Doctor discussing science? Or him and Tali talking about ship technology? If you thought Tali loved the SR-1 and SR-2, she'd probably melt in her suit if she got to peek around in the TARDIS.
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Posté 07 mai 2010 - 05:57
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Bogsnot1 wrote...
Silly question, but have you tried www.blakes7.com ?
Oh goodness gracious me - I've gone into a nerdy girl faint!! I had no idea this had happened, where on earth have I been??? mmm delicious!!
#56
Posté 07 mai 2010 - 06:17
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Serious Sci-Fi can not be found in either television or on games. Pick up a book once and a while.
Also, lol.
Mass Effect serious Sci-Fi? Inspite of all the humanoid aliens?
Also, lol.
Mass Effect serious Sci-Fi? Inspite of all the humanoid aliens?
#57
Posté 08 mai 2010 - 12:18
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superimposed wrote...
Serious Sci-Fi can not be found in either television or on games. Pick up a book once and a while.
Also, lol.
Mass Effect serious Sci-Fi? Inspite of all the humanoid aliens?
I have to disagree with this. TV and games have provided some groundbreaking SciFi and to say otherwise smacks of snobbery. I can think of dozen or so TV shows which were quite amazing for their time, and things just keep getting better. Just because many films or TV shows based on books havent translated very well or that it presents Scifi in a more digestable form for the masses doesn't mean its culturally barren. Original thinking and stories is not only written in books these days - society has moved on and incorporates all media types, something many Scifi writers themselves would have foreseen!!
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 02:58
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Pretty much. As per typical DW plot, he'd first be intriguing enough so that they don't attack him outright. They'll have a chat where the Reapers basically explain their evil plan, which the Doctor had already figured out for the most part. Then he gives them a chance to surrender. They laugh him off and proceed with their plan only to find out that the Doctor has sabotaged it and it blows up on their faces somehow. For example, maybe he has managed to spoof their navigational data so that they all fly into a black hole or something.Lightice_av wrote...
Hehh...This got me thinking about how the Doctor would beat the Reapers; he'd probably talk them to death.
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#59
Posté 09 mai 2010 - 03:52
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Going to date myself here and say that I can remember watching Doctor Who when it first was aired. Nothing can touch it for what it has done. However having watched Doctor Who for as long as I have I have not really seen anything in Mass Effect that could be said to have come from there.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 06:42
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It's ridiculous to compare the hardness of the scifi content in Doctor Who and Mass Effect. They're both extremely soft scifi. The technical discussions in DW go as far as "wibbly wobbly timey wimey", and ME just uses "mass effect fields" for everything.
If you really want hard scifi, go read Greg Egan or Larry Niven or some similar author. If your characters aren't carrying on pages of discussions on intricate points of quantum mechanics and algebraic topology, or rederiving general relativity from direct experience of living in a deep gravity well, it ain't hard scifi. <_<
That said, I'm a huge fan of Doctor Who, not because of the SF, but because of the Doctor himself. A crazy, quirky genius that always saves the world with a souped-up screwdriver and virtually no bloodshed? Realistic, no. Cool? Hell yes.
If you really want hard scifi, go read Greg Egan or Larry Niven or some similar author. If your characters aren't carrying on pages of discussions on intricate points of quantum mechanics and algebraic topology, or rederiving general relativity from direct experience of living in a deep gravity well, it ain't hard scifi. <_<
That said, I'm a huge fan of Doctor Who, not because of the SF, but because of the Doctor himself. A crazy, quirky genius that always saves the world with a souped-up screwdriver and virtually no bloodshed? Realistic, no. Cool? Hell yes.
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#61
Posté 09 mai 2010 - 07:03
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I've never wanted hard sci-fi. In fact I find it dry and quite dull.
I've never been one of those geeks who sit around pointing out science fiction implausibilities and scoffing at how utterly impossible and unrealistic such and such warp engine is and how the writer should be ashamed.
That is... until the human smoothie Reaper Terminator machine. Damn you, T-800.
I've never been one of those geeks who sit around pointing out science fiction implausibilities and scoffing at how utterly impossible and unrealistic such and such warp engine is and how the writer should be ashamed.
That is... until the human smoothie Reaper Terminator machine. Damn you, T-800.
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Posté 06 février 2011 - 09:14
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Since it's inception nearly five decades ago, Doctor Who has had a plethora of writers and crew all working within the sensibilities of their respective times and with a budget that would probably not cover the catering for a days shooting on a modern US series. So of course the results vary from ludicrously bad to very thought provoking and emotive.
Dismissing fans of any series as 'plebs' is frankly not worth commenting too much on.
Mass Effect 1 & 2 are a relatively recent entry into the genre with a good budget and a contemporary 'feel' so to those who have maybe not been around too long or seen too much it will seem (for want of a less nebulous word) 'better'. I enjoy both immensely and hopefully recognise the pluses and minuses of each. So far I cannot say I've seen any deliberate homage to Doctor Who in ME 1 or 2. Being cut from very different Sci Fi cloth I cannot imagine why there would be?
Proof-reading this I seem to be condescending/ patronising - not my intent I assure you. But then I was just called a pleb. :-)
I vote for a 4th Doctor outfit for Shepard in the third appearance pack. Dalek outfit for Legion - one eye on each you see...
Dismissing fans of any series as 'plebs' is frankly not worth commenting too much on.
Mass Effect 1 & 2 are a relatively recent entry into the genre with a good budget and a contemporary 'feel' so to those who have maybe not been around too long or seen too much it will seem (for want of a less nebulous word) 'better'. I enjoy both immensely and hopefully recognise the pluses and minuses of each. So far I cannot say I've seen any deliberate homage to Doctor Who in ME 1 or 2. Being cut from very different Sci Fi cloth I cannot imagine why there would be?
Proof-reading this I seem to be condescending/ patronising - not my intent I assure you. But then I was just called a pleb. :-)
I vote for a 4th Doctor outfit for Shepard in the third appearance pack. Dalek outfit for Legion - one eye on each you see...
#63
Posté 06 mai 2012 - 02:32
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Also, throughout the entire Doctor who history there has been very similiar qualitites.
The Dalek Crucible and the Crucible in ME3, they are both created by things seeking to destroy, they look look similiar because of the massive sphere.
Then there is the Rachnos and The Rachni, spider-like species that have highly advanced technology.
There are tons of similiarities throughout it, these are just some.
The Dalek Crucible and the Crucible in ME3, they are both created by things seeking to destroy, they look look similiar because of the massive sphere.
Then there is the Rachnos and The Rachni, spider-like species that have highly advanced technology.
There are tons of similiarities throughout it, these are just some.
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Posté 14 mai 2012 - 11:27
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The Mass Effect series had a lot of classic science fiction elements, but not much in the way of novel concepts. Element Zero served as all-purpose applied phlebotinum, and I think that particular explanation of all-purpose energy barriers was novel; biotics were a novel approach to telekinesis. But in general, it felt like a lot of familiar science fiction concepts, combined reasonably well.
Doctor Who has run so long that they've pretty much worked in everything, though generally it's pretty unimaginative and repetitive. I usually feel frustrated by Doctor Who; as my wife once put it, it's frustrating because it's consistently almost good. The characters are often likable, and that's much of the appeal. However, especially in the newer series, I find it irritating that anything new is always bad, and even when the Doctor travels into the future, there's never anything really unfamiliar or new. It's as if the Doctor is the anti-Gandalf, urging Bilbo to stay in his hobbit-hole where it's safe and pleasant.
Doctor Who has run so long that they've pretty much worked in everything, though generally it's pretty unimaginative and repetitive. I usually feel frustrated by Doctor Who; as my wife once put it, it's frustrating because it's consistently almost good. The characters are often likable, and that's much of the appeal. However, especially in the newer series, I find it irritating that anything new is always bad, and even when the Doctor travels into the future, there's never anything really unfamiliar or new. It's as if the Doctor is the anti-Gandalf, urging Bilbo to stay in his hobbit-hole where it's safe and pleasant.
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#65
Posté 15 mai 2012 - 10:59
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Lightice_av wrote...
I was just watching the finale of the first season of the new Doctor Who series, and I noticed an interesting thematical similarity to Mass Effect, almost to the point where I think that the lead writers saw this and took conscious or subconscious influence from it. See for yourself.
Dalek Emperor: "We waited here, in the Dark Space, damaged but rebuilding. Centuries passed, and we quietly infiltrated the systems of Earth, harvesting the waste of humanity. The prisoners, the refugees, the dispossessed, they all came to us. The bodies were filtered, pulped, shifted. The seed of the human race has perverted, only one cell in a billion was fit to be nurtured!"
The Doctor: "So you created an army of daleks out of the dead."
The unusual term "dark space" is used, though here it just means running silent in the interplanetary void, not between galaxies. And then there is the way humans are used as seeds to make daleks. I'm not saying it's a ripoff or anything - there are lots of things that don't match at all - but if it's not deliberate influence, then it's a hell of a coincidence, or so it seems to me.
Have you noticed the 'I am the doctor' music is similar to the suicide mission music?
Dark space just means the space between galaxies; it's commonly referenced.
