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[errant_knight]

....you refuse both Brother Burkel (if I have his name right), and Dagna. I've tried fulfilling both their quests and fulfilling Dagna's but not the Brother's. Has anyone turned down both, or turned down Dagna, but not the Brother?

I've fairly sure that starting a Chantry in Orzamar will always end badly, but the results of turning them both down seems less predictable.

[Nonvita]

Nothing happens. I turned them both down because my character hated the Chantry. There's simply no mention of it in the epilogue from what I remember.

[errant_knight]

Ah.... So I guess I'll have to break Dagna's heart if I want to prevent a possible war between the Chantry and the Dwarves.... Too bad. I don't usually seek out answers rather than trying it in game, but I really didn't want to crush the poor girl if it wasn't going to bring results.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I always turn down Brother Burkel, I hate the Chantry. Dagna, however, I help. helping either one, alone or both, will get the Chantry up in arms. I, however, would rather help dagna, because in her epilogue, the dwarves get magic, and thus, have an army of pissed off apostates eager to smoke some templars. That, and Bhelen is on the throne, so the Chantry can squwak about all the exhalted marches they want. The dwarves are ready,

Edit to clarify: the dwarves themselves don't get magical abilities, what they get is their own circle of grateful surface mages added to their arsenal.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 18 février 2010 - 01:53 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I always turn down Brother Burkel, I hate the Chantry. Dagna, however, I help. helping either one, alone or both, will get the Chantry up in arms. I, however, would rather help dagna, because in her epilogue, the dwarves get magic, and thus, have an army of pissed off apostates eager to smoke some templars. That, and Bhelen is on the throne, so the Chantry can squwak about all the exhalted marches they want. The dwarves are ready,

Edit to clarify: the dwarves themselves don't get magical abilities, what they get is their own circle of grateful surface mages added to their arsenal.

^this

except in my case the dwarves get Golems as well

plus Dagna has loads of sugery sweetness that makes it impossible to turn her down :E

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yeah. depending on what you did with the anvil, the dwarves got an army of Shales, too.



The Chantry should be very afeared. The dwarves aren't the elves. They've handled 1200 years of relentless darkspawn invasions and Blights, a bunch of drug addicts in purple dresses aren't really gonna be much of a threat.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I helped brother burkel, only because I see a chantry in Orzammar as a tool for the kingdom that my PC is going to rule as leverage and a way to intervene in Orzammar politics. A classic strategy.

[errant_knight]

Heh, well there won't be any dwarves with golems or King Bhelen in my playthroughs.... I'm not sure I have the stomach to turn down Dagna even to avert a war, although I do feel kind of bad about helping her with a decision that will result in her losing caste and family knowing how changable and shortsighted I was at her age. We know she publishes an important work, but nothing else about how things turn out for her.

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 février 2010 - 02:05 .

[Cuddlezarro]

well if your going the harrowmont path the dwarves get pretty much screwed reguardless of if you help either of them

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

errant_knight wrote...

Heh, well there won't be any dwarves with golems or King Bhelen in my playthroughs.... I'm not sure I have the stomach to turn down Dagna even to avert a war, although I do feel kind of bad about helping her with a decision that will result in her losing caste and family knowing how changable and shortsighted I was at her age. We know she publishes an important work, but nothing else about how things turn out for her.

Her publishing of that important work on lyrium vapors draws mages to Orzammar, many of whom are bitter apostates seeking refuge someplace where magic isn't feared and the Chantry holds no sway. it's that gathering of so many apostates in a place where the Chantry can't touch them that gets the Chantry's collective panties in a twist, and thus, talks (but no confirmation) of an Exhalted March.

Unless I play dwarf noble, I always pick Bhelen to rule. I like the dwarves too much not to.

[Archereon]

Templars aren't all that stupid and pathetic just look at Alist-wait...Yeah your pretty much right.



(Alistar is a freaking idiot.)

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Archereon wrote...

Templars aren't all that stupid and pathetic just look at Alist-wait...Yeah your pretty much right.

(Alistar is a freaking idiot.)

Alistair never was a templar. he never made it that far to take his vows and get hooked on lyrium. Duncan yanked him out of the Chantry before it went that far. Duncan still encouraged Alistair to continue developing his templar talents for fighting darkspawn mages. But he was never a proper templar.

Still, from what I've seen, templars in game are either drug addled demented lunatics, or are on the road to getting there sooner or later. Gregoir, for some odd reason, seems to have avoided this despite his age.

[Archereon]

I know Alistar was never a Templar, it was a joke.



Some Templars seem to be reasonable (Cullen is actually pretty nice to you in the mage origins if you talk to him, and you can't blame him for being paranoid in Broken Circle after he's been tortured by blood mages for days straight.)



And on Gregoir...That's why HE'S the knight commander.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

They really need a sarcasm/humor button on these forums.



About the only reasonable templars I've seen in game are Ser otto and Ser Bryant, who both seem young enough that the lyrium damage hasn't quite kicked in. Even in the mage origin, if playing a male mage, Cullen still gives a few hints that the seeds for his paranoia exist well before the broken circle. You don't get it with a female mage, because he's a little...stricken...but with the male mage, it provides more insight.



All in all, i think the dwarves would seriously kick the asses of the Chantry's armies if they ever tried. They are resistant to magic, they might have golems, the got a very seasoned force of warriors, they got mages if Dagna's the reason, they got the legion of the Dead, and most importantly, they have..........................



.........................



Sandal. That alone says the Chantry is so very screwed.

[steelfire_dragon]

I'm going to petition King Allistair to Exile the templars for sheer abuse of their own power.



I still

Denounce your maker.....

[errant_knight]

I'm kind of sorry I asked....

[Maria Caliban]

The Chantry can rattle its saber all it wants, but that's rather meaningless. There won't be an Exalted March on Orzammar because the moment that happens, the Qunari will gobble up northern Thedas.

errant_knight wrote...

I'm kind of sorry I asked....

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I demand an Exalted March, just so I can kick some corrupt Chantry arse.

[Nonvita]

errant_knight wrote...

I'm kind of sorry I asked....

What you've started can no longer be stopped!


Hum, now I'm curious to try helping Dagna, but I try not to metagame toooo much, and this would be a classic case since it pretty much goes against what any of my characters care about. I guess I'll have to see if she can do a better job at convincing me this time around.

[errant_knight]

Nonvita wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I'm kind of sorry I asked....

What you've started can no longer be stopped!


Hum, now I'm curious to try helping Dagna, but I try not to metagame toooo much, and this would be a classic case since it pretty much goes against what any of my characters care about. I guess I'll have to see if she can do a better job at convincing me this time around.

Usually I moderate my threads, but this one just isn't worth it, not being discussion related. I shall cast it to the winds.

My characters are all good guys, so Dagna always gets helped. To do otherwise is too much like kicking puppies....

Modifié par errant_knight, 18 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[Herr Uhl]

It's worse, Dagna is cuter than puppies.



Brother Burkel is no problem turning down though.

[Maria Caliban]

No one can say 'no' to Dagna. BioWare did this on purpose.

[errant_knight]

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one can say 'no' to Dagna. BioWare did this on purpose.

It's true. She's impossible adorable.

[Sabriana]

Even my chantry hating mage couldn't say 'no' to Dagna. She had no problems turning down Burkel, though. The mere idea of the chantry gaining a foothold in Orzammer made her gag.



I believe it's because Dagna says at one point "....Orzammar gets the knowledge about a great natural resource on the surface..." That was actually the nicest thing my mage ever heard said about mages and magic. From there on, Dagna had my mage wrapped around her finger.



An exhalted march? Let 'em try. The dwarfs are no one's doormat. Mine wouldn't have golems, but everything else like the legion of the dead, and let's not forget that fighting darkspawn is a 'normal' event for dwarfs. Plus they have access to raw lyrium, which they are immune to, but the top-siders are not.

[Herr Uhl]

Sabriana wrote...
...Plus they have access to raw lyrium, which they are immune to, but the top-siders are not.

Would they throw it at them or what? Wouldn't an arrow suffice?