Herr Uhl wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
...Plus they have access to raw lyrium, which they are immune to, but the top-siders are not.
Would they throw it at them or what? Wouldn't an arrow suffice?
Sabriana wrote...
Even my chantry hating mage couldn't say 'no' to Dagna. She had no problems turning down Burkel, though. The mere idea of the chantry gaining a foothold in Orzammer made her gag.
I believe it's because Dagna says at one point "....Orzammar gets the knowledge about a great natural resource on the surface..." That was actually the nicest thing my mage ever heard said about mages and magic. From there on, Dagna had my mage wrapped around her finger.
An exhalted march? Let 'em try. The dwarfs are no one's doormat. Mine wouldn't have golems, but everything else like the legion of the dead, and let's not forget that fighting darkspawn is a 'normal' event for dwarfs. Plus they have access to raw lyrium, which they are immune to, but the top-siders are not.
sami jo wrote...
Methinks the Chantry would re-think an Exalted March on the dwarves as soon as the dwarves cut off their supply of lyrium. It's a little difficult to attack anything when your entire army is experiencing severe drug withdrawls.
And somehow, I doubt the Circle would be all that inclined to help.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
sami jo wrote...
Methinks the Chantry would re-think an Exalted March on the dwarves as soon as the dwarves cut off their supply of lyrium. It's a little difficult to attack anything when your entire army is experiencing severe drug withdrawls.
And somehow, I doubt the Circle would be all that inclined to help.
Now THAT is an excellent point, haven't thought about that. Perhaps that's why the epilogue states that there was only talk of a march, not actual plans. Dwarves got the Chantry by the short hairs on that one...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
Even my chantry hating mage couldn't say 'no' to Dagna. She had no problems turning down Burkel, though. The mere idea of the chantry gaining a foothold in Orzammer made her gag.
I believe it's because Dagna says at one point "....Orzammar gets the knowledge about a great natural resource on the surface..." That was actually the nicest thing my mage ever heard said about mages and magic. From there on, Dagna had my mage wrapped around her finger.
An exhalted march? Let 'em try. The dwarfs are no one's doormat. Mine wouldn't have golems, but everything else like the legion of the dead, and let's not forget that fighting darkspawn is a 'normal' event for dwarfs. Plus they have access to raw lyrium, which they are immune to, but the top-siders are not.
My mage felt the exact same way about the dwarves in general: the were fascinated by instead of afraid of magic, treated her with respect, and had no Chantry. When Brother Burkel started his nonsense about opening a Chantry in orzammar, she wasn't about to let him spoil a great thing with his Chantry lies. But Dagna...besides her aura of adorability, her dedication and determination is impossible to resist. Even when My dwarf noble told her to learn her place, she still refused, and went off saying one way or another, she would find a way to get there.
Your companion comments are also interesting. leliana approves if you agree to help her, and mentions her adorability. Alistair, if you talk to her later before going to the circle, is impressed that she knew exactly how long the trip takes from Orazammar to the circle.
Wynne, however, is the most annoying. She responds to dagna's magical enthusiasm with one of her sermons about how dangerous and potantially bad magic can be, blah blah blah, and Dagna responds with more intellectual knowledge, undeterred by said sermon.
I say, put a bill before the Assembly of Deshyrs: prop 14: Circle in Orzammar. Dagna FTW! Let the Chantry and their pathetic army of men in skirts come! Orzammar is ready for them!
Sabriana wrote...
It's also not Wynne's place to speak this way to Dagna. Bad or good magic matters little to Dagna, dwarfs cannot cast spells, ever. Dagna has shown great intelligence in that dialogue, my PCs (who are not mages) are quite impressed. So whether she's wrong or not depends on the way the PC looks at her interjections.
However, because I never had Wynne with me at Orzammar, I have no first-hand knowledge about how Wynne comes across.
Why are you folks talking to Gregoir about this? Irving is the one who deals with study at the tower. Talk to him and he accepts Dagna right away.
Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 11:58 .
maxernst wrote...
Given that she knows more about the Circle than anybody else in your party, I don't see why she shouldn't express her opinion. She is rather free with her opinions on other subjects that she knows significantly less about, so it would be odd if she held her tongue here.
Modifié par ejoslin, 19 février 2010 - 12:03 .
ejoslin wrote...
maxernst wrote...
Given that she knows more about the Circle than anybody else in your party, I don't see why she shouldn't express her opinion. She is rather free with her opinions on other subjects that she knows significantly less about, so it would be odd if she held her tongue here.
Unless, of course, if your PC is a mage. I do wish Wynne would hold her tongue a lot more. Her views are very . . . closed.
Edit: What she says comes off as preaching to me, not as advice.
errant_knight wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
maxernst wrote...
Given that she knows more about the Circle than anybody else in your party, I don't see why she shouldn't express her opinion. She is rather free with her opinions on other subjects that she knows significantly less about, so it would be odd if she held her tongue here.
Unless, of course, if your PC is a mage. I do wish Wynne would hold her tongue a lot more. Her views are very . . . closed.
Edit: What she says comes off as preaching to me, not as advice.
Whereas I generally agree with her, although my PCs fall right into the trap she points out about love and duty. Guess that's the mark of a good, well-rounded character--one person's wise, older friend is another's irritation.
ejoslin wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
maxernst wrote...
Given that she knows more about the Circle than anybody else in your party, I don't see why she shouldn't express her opinion. She is rather free with her opinions on other subjects that she knows significantly less about, so it would be odd if she held her tongue here.
Unless, of course, if your PC is a mage. I do wish Wynne would hold her tongue a lot more. Her views are very . . . closed.
Edit: What she says comes off as preaching to me, not as advice.
Whereas I generally agree with her, although my PCs fall right into the trap she points out about love and duty. Guess that's the mark of a good, well-rounded character--one person's wise, older friend is another's irritation.
Well, agreeing with her and being preached at are two separate things, though. I discussed in another thread the Slavers in the alienage. Wynne will give you -18 approval if you tell her to keep her opinions to herself, whether you act in the way she wishes or not -- being thought of as wise obviously has more importance to her than the actions others take. I often, while agreeing with her, do not like how she says what she does.
hmmm, I may be in the wrong thread at this point . . .
While he never actually became a Templar, he still was indoctrinated with their mindset. Just look at how he reacts to apostates...Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Archereon wrote...
Templars aren't all that stupid and pathetic just look at Alist-wait...Yeah your pretty much right.
(Alistar is a freaking idiot.)
Alistair never was a templar. he never made it that far to take his vows and get hooked on lyrium. Duncan yanked him out of the Chantry before it went that far. Duncan still encouraged Alistair to continue developing his templar talents for fighting darkspawn mages. But he was never a proper templar.
Still, from what I've seen, templars in game are either drug addled demented lunatics, or are on the road to getting there sooner or later. Gregoir, for some odd reason, seems to have avoided this despite his age.
Modifié par errant_knight, 19 février 2010 - 03:21 .
errant_knight wrote...
Sabriana wrote...
It's also not Wynne's place to speak this way to Dagna. Bad or good magic matters little to Dagna, dwarfs cannot cast spells, ever. Dagna has shown great intelligence in that dialogue, my PCs (who are not mages) are quite impressed. So whether she's wrong or not depends on the way the PC looks at her interjections.
However, because I never had Wynne with me at Orzammar, I have no first-hand knowledge about how Wynne comes across.
Why not? None of the other characters are ever shy about expressing their opinions, so there's no reason for Wynne to be. As to whether or not it's a 'lecture', that's definately in the eye of the beholder. Nothing she said seemed inappropriate or out of place to me.
Why are you folks talking to Gregoir about this? Irving is the one who deals with study at the tower. Talk to him and he accepts Dagna right away.
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