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[Herr Uhl]

Fexelea wrote...

From all that we have seen, being the books and the game in question, Ferelden is the focus of this story. It might change in the sequel, but that would be irrelevant since we are talking about this particular game. The references to dogs, bad food, and cold as well as smells and lack of fashion (and probably even the rotten teeth!) are winks at England. You know, the guys who managed to take over the world and force us all to wear suits to work: at one point they were a backward nation with little or no power anywhere, it was a Roman outpost-conquest. They turned it around.

So in the context of this story, the options given to the human noble are more than those given to other races and they have a bigger impact on the land and race that are the focus of the story, that's all I am saying. Being queen/king consort is an appropriate title, but it does not mean that you do not rule. One of the Alistair endings even highlights that you rule in his absence.

Still being a paragon is better than becoming a queen/prince consort. The reason for the books being centered around Ferelden is because the game is. Since it wasn't even certain that there would be any sequel, having books about something completely unrelated would be weird.

And Kublai Khan ruled the greatest kingdom in history, I still wouldn't see the point of ruling it before Ghengis.

[Feraele]

Maria Caliban wrote...

No one would have complained if Awakening was the story of your epic pirate voyage around Thedas.

"After a powerful storm, you wash ashore on a tropical isle with only your tattered clothing and your faithful Mabari hound."

Actually I would love that...

[shedevil3001]

hopefully human noble story will be the canon

[Dethanos]

Fexelea wrote...

Well what happens in DA2 has little impact in how we feel about characters and options now. For this game, human nobles have an "advantage" as they get to chose to play a bigger role than other origins. To me this seems deliberate.

I don't know. I don't think my mage's role as Alistair's chancellor and advisor would be any smaller than the noble's role as Anora's consort. Considering the personalities of Alistair and Anora, the chancellor role would probably wield more power.

[Herr Uhl]

shedevil3001 wrote...

hopefully human noble story will be the canon

Which one, the one with the PC as queen consort, prince consort, secret lover, Teyrn of Gwaren, dead, warden commander or looking for Morrigan?

[Dethanos]

Herr Uhl wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

hopefully human noble story will be the canon

Which one, the one with the PC as queen consort, prince consort, secret lover, Teyrn of Gwaren, dead, warden commander or looking for Morrigan?

You forgot chancellor to the king and freelance adventurer.

[shedevil3001]

quenn or king consort or morrigan ending or both

[Fexelea]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

From all that we have seen, being the books and the game in question, Ferelden is the focus of this story. It might change in the sequel, but that would be irrelevant since we are talking about this particular game. The references to dogs, bad food, and cold as well as smells and lack of fashion (and probably even the rotten teeth!) are winks at England. You know, the guys who managed to take over the world and force us all to wear suits to work: at one point they were a backward nation with little or no power anywhere, it was a Roman outpost-conquest. They turned it around.

So in the context of this story, the options given to the human noble are more than those given to other races and they have a bigger impact on the land and race that are the focus of the story, that's all I am saying. Being queen/king consort is an appropriate title, but it does not mean that you do not rule. One of the Alistair endings even highlights that you rule in his absence.

Still being a paragon is better than becoming a queen/prince consort. The reason for the books being centered around Ferelden is because the game is. Since it wasn't even certain that there would be any sequel, having books about something completely unrelated would be weird.

And Kublai Khan ruled the greatest kingdom in history, I still wouldn't see the point of ruling it before Ghengis.

I'm not talking about which ending is "better" or which option is better. I am talking about the opportunity that human nobles get to be recognized as rulers of the race and land that is the central theme of the game. The fact that if you are a counsellor you might have similar influence does not undermine the fact that if you become king/queen "consort" you are effectively written down in Ferelden history as one of its monarchs (which, mind you, still means you will be the regent if your spouse dies or becomes unable to rule)

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The PC is supposed to be a Grey Warden, not a super-duper politician. In fact, aren't Grey Wardens supposed to avoid that kind of politics? And still all you get as a human noble is a fancy "consort" title, so it's not all that impressive if you ask me. It comes off as pretty cheesy, like your PC is "the chosen one". Maybe the HN endings who chose to be "rulers" should be forced to stay in Denerim throughout Awakening and answer to the petitioners of the Bannorn. That'd be fun.



I think the Dalish Elf is the best origin for Origins. I'd much rather be a wanderlusting Warden Commander with a hawt red-headed girlfried than the princess consort to a childish goofball (as much as I like Alistair on average, he is a childish goofball through and through).

Plus, my people get a homeland as a Dalish and can collectively tell the human dweebs to get off their land.

[Wicked 702]

Ceridraen wrote...

Except you don't get to 'rule' at all. You're a consort. I made a human male noble - (I like my city elf boy better - cuter by far) - and he married Anora. (Bad decision - I'm going back to an earlier save & let Alastair rule.) She's the queen. You make no difference whatsoever. If you spawn the demon baby with Morrigan - maybe you'll have an impact - but that's hardly exclusive to humans. (though it is to males) I hated my epilogue. My dedicated warden-leader man ends up as a wimp who never appears to challenge anything Anora does. He'd have done better to hang around & advise Alastair. I liked the origin story - I liked the Howe connection, though it seemed pretty sparse, but in no way did it compare to the city elf story, in my view, or the mage, who actually does change the Circle.

I think that’s somewhat open to interpretation. If you play a female PC you can marry Alistair and become queen, as many others have mentioned. Given Alistair’s constant buffoonery and incompetence, I choose to believe that my female PC married him and become the real power behind the throne. He was just a figurehead.

They do say that behind every good man is a strong woman right? Besides, I’m nobility. What was I going to do, not rule?

Modifié par Wicked 702, 19 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[Fexelea]

People are misunderstanding what consort means...



Anyway, my point was not about what power you weild or not. Nor is it about if Grey Wardens should or not get involved in politics, or if any other origin has a "better" ending option. All that I am saying is that the Human Nobles get the most prime-time for the race and land that are the centre of this story: Ferelden humans. It would be far easier to make this story cannon, since it is relevant to the focus of the game, whilst dwarven, magi and elvish affairs are more of the supporting cast.

[shedevil3001]

that and the fact that alistair is merics son he's obviously a cannon of sort coz in the trailer for awakening he's king so they must of had that intention from the beginning

[Karmianna]

Im going to do a dwarf lesbian queen game this time.

[shedevil3001]

omg horror

[shedevil3001]

i dont like playing the dwarf stories

[Karmianna]

shedevil3001 wrote...

i dont like playing the dwarf stories

A lesbian dwarf with a human life partner seems like they would both enjoy slow dancing!

[shedevil3001]

i already feel like a dwarf its too close to my height makes me feel like a midget thats why i play as human noble :{

[Ceridraen]

I loved the Dwarf commoner start, but their arms bug me. Too long or something. But normally, since I'm tall, I tend to pick teeny characters. (Gnomes, hobbits) I wonder if that's a woman-thing?

[Ceridraen]

Dethanos wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

Well what happens in DA2 has little impact in how we feel about characters and options now. For this game, human nobles have an "advantage" as they get to chose to play a bigger role than other origins. To me this seems deliberate.

I don't know. I don't think my mage's role as Alistair's chancellor and advisor would be any smaller than the noble's role as Anora's consort. Considering the personalities of Alistair and Anora, the chancellor role would probably wield more power.

That's what I hoped - if I had my guy warrior marry Anora, he'd do a good job. He seemed like a strong, nice guy throughout - but I got the After Game impression that he did *nothing.* Nothing that mattered to him was altered, not the elves or the mages, or anything.  He must have just sat there looking pretty - I went back to an earlier save and made Alastair king instead. Much nicer.

[shedevil3001]

dunno but been short is no fun i hate been tiny everyone's taller than me :{ down with the dwarfs

[Ceridraen]

Fexelea wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

From all that we have seen, being the books and the game in question, Ferelden is the focus of this story. It might change in the sequel, but that would be irrelevant since we are talking about this particular game. The references to dogs, bad food, and cold as well as smells and lack of fashion (and probably even the rotten teeth!) are winks at England. You know, the guys who managed to take over the world and force us all to wear suits to work: at one point they were a backward nation with little or no power anywhere, it was a Roman outpost-conquest. They turned it around.

So in the context of this story, the options given to the human noble are more than those given to other races and they have a bigger impact on the land and race that are the focus of the story, that's all I am saying. Being queen/king consort is an appropriate title, but it does not mean that you do not rule. One of the Alistair endings even highlights that you rule in his absence.

Still being a paragon is better than becoming a queen/prince consort. The reason for the books being centered around Ferelden is because the game is. Since it wasn't even certain that there would be any sequel, having books about something completely unrelated would be weird.

And Kublai Khan ruled the greatest kingdom in history, I still wouldn't see the point of ruling it before Ghengis.

I'm not talking about which ending is "better" or which option is better. I am talking about the opportunity that human nobles get to be recognized as rulers of the race and land that is the central theme of the game. The fact that if you are a counsellor you might have similar influence does not undermine the fact that if you become king/queen "consort" you are effectively written down in Ferelden history as one of its monarchs (which, mind you, still means you will be the regent if your spouse dies or becomes unable to rule)

I had to wonder about that. My elf mage gets to pick who rules Ferelden. (and the dwarves)   Yet somehow, I'm not important or good enough to be a consort?  Ha!  Bite me, Ferelden! I don't believe in monarchies or blood rules, anyway!

Modifié par Ceridraen, 19 février 2010 - 03:49 .

[Ceridraen]

shedevil3001 wrote...

dunno but been short is no fun i hate been tiny everyone's taller than me :{ down with the dwarfs

See - it's women.  I hated being tall. People assume you can play basketball.   I just want to say now - not necessarily!

[shedevil3001]

yep alistair is meant to be king i think as in the awakening trailer it shows him as king

[shedevil3001]

you male or female ?

[Ceridraen]

Me? Female.