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[Satanic Hamster]

Doing a third play through.  Generally making the same decisions as the other play throughs, but Lord am I failing hard on paragon points.

DIdn't have Pargon option at Tali's trial, didn't have it at the Miranda/Jack Catfight.  Had no problems at those points on my other run throughs.

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[Ari Kagura]

A few things that I've done was that I would save their loyalty missions for last, as far as doing your squad's loyalty missions go. At that point, you should have enough Paragon or Renegade points to choose the appropriate charm or intimidate options, as you accumulated them from previous missions.

The Miranda/Jack argument happens as soon as you complete both Miranda and Jack's loyalty missions.

And Tali's trial ... well, that's during her loyalty mission so you might want to save that one for last.

So basically speaking, those three missions should be saved for last but before engaging the IFF mission.

[Bibdy]

Are you neglecting the upgrade path which increases your Paragon/Renegade score this time around?

[Conway044]

For Tali why not just rally the crowd? If I recall correctly it give a bunch of Paragon points, and it seems to fit well for a Paragon play through.

Modifié par Conway044, 18 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[Ari Kagura]

Bibdy does have a point-- check your talent points. There's a skill, when maxed out, that increases your Paragon and Renegade points by 70~100%. Also, there is a Death Mask that you can purchase at Tuchanka that increases your Negotiation bonus by 10% ... it's a nice push if you feel you might fall short of the minimum.

[Satanic Hamster]

Oh son of a....



I went commando instead of shock trooper for some reason. Also switching to the Mask for Jack's loyalty mission, see if that added bonus also helps.



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[A Blind Bandit]

I also find that talking to all the admirals before you leave for the Alerai helps. Find out all their motivations. Then I don't think you need as many paragon points.

[Agamemnon2589]

I had this problem too. I think maybe you don't get the paragon/renegade bonus at the start in a NG+ like you do with a first-time import. That's just idle speculation, though. I could be completely wrong.

[Satanic Hamster]

Grrrr. Was enough to get the Paragon Option when Jack confronted the other test subject, but not enough for the cat fight or to talk to her in the basement. Hopefully will have enough after Legion's mission. Really wish I noticed I picked the "wrong" bonus earlier.



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[JJDrakken]

Ive never had this problem ever...hrmm



I decide in advance, am I going go Paragon or Renegade this round of play, then I do all things that would garner me said points, no matter what.



Hell even in my Very first play through on ME2 with my port from ME1, I picked stuff how I would do things in real life, I never had a single problem. I think that ended at max paragon & 60 or 70 percent renegade.



JJ

[JJDrakken]

Side note, Same Hamster from CoH?



JJ

[Satanic Hamster]

Are there any others? :0



As I said, I made the same general moral choices in each run through, so this was a bit surprising/annoying. Shock trooper, in the long run, makes a big difference.



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[kennyme2]

I am in the same situation as you. First and seconds times through the game, all Paragon lines were open to me. For the third time, the Miranda and Jack thing was grayed out. I don't know why, In all my other play throughs, access to all Paragon lines were given as long I went with Paragon all the time.



I am playing on Insanity but people have said that the difficulty makes no difference.

[AssumingDirectControl]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

I had this problem too. I think maybe you don't get the paragon/renegade bonus at the start in a NG+ like you do with a first-time import. That's just idle speculation, though. I could be completely wrong.

No, you are correct. Your P/R scores start at 0 when you do NG+, as opposed to importing a ME1 char.

[SidNitzerglobin]

Satanic Hamster wrote...

Are there any others? :0

As I said, I made the same general moral choices in each run through, so this was a bit surprising/annoying. Shock trooper, in the long run, makes a big difference.

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You can respec to Shock Trooper for the extra 30% paragon points via Upgrade if you have the spare resources.  The paragon/renegade bonus is retroactive.

AssumingDirectControl wrote...

No, you are correct. Your P/R scores start at 0 when you do NG+, as opposed to importing a ME1 char.

Yup this is true as well.  Kinda weird.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 18 février 2010 - 06:14 .

[trigger2kill1]

short answer is you put a quarter in and then choose one player then you kick...

I am in the same boat now. Had to reload early saves for third play to redo cause I lost the option to paragon out on the Miri/Jack catfight. Pretty sure it was cause I didn't choose to do the romance thingy to fix my save for my ME3 playthrough. But that is only a theory no conformation on that yet.

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 18 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[Tisiphne]

AssumingDirectControl wrote...

No, you are correct. Your P/R scores start at 0 when you do NG+, as opposed to importing a ME1 char.

That was ... irritating, and unnecessary.

[IntrepidProdigy]

SidNitzerglobin wrote...


You can respec to Shock Trooper for the extra 30% paragon points via Upgrade if you have the spare resources.  The paragon/renegade bonus is retroactive.

So you can keep the passive that doesn't allow the paragon/renegade bonus for most of the game, and then switch over to the other passive skill that allows the 30% increase to both and it will automatically increase both renegade and paragon by 30%, as long as that passive skill isn't reset?

[Amethyst Deceiver]

also have to take into consideration that you get no morality point bonus from importing a ME2 save. you only get a boost when you import the ME1 save.



so if you do exactly the same runthrough after beating the game on a NG+, you will end up with less paragon/renegade due to the lack of import boost

[IntrepidProdigy]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

also have to take into consideration that you get no morality point bonus from importing a ME2 save. you only get a boost when you import the ME1 save.

so if you do exactly the same runthrough after beating the game on a NG+, you will end up with less paragon/renegade due to the lack of import boost

Right, I understand that as I was unpleasantly surprised by the lack of ME2 NG+ bonuses. I'm just wondering if you can get the 30% bonus to R/P automatically if you were to switch up your passive skill like at key plot points (a la Miranda and Jack fight).

[Satanic Hamster]

Hmmm. Don't recall if I imported ME1 or ME2 on this 3rd play through. Crap/doh! Think I did ME2.

[lltoon]

Actually you are missing out on Paragon/renegade points on the second/third playthroughs because you may be skipping speaking to the party members on the Normandy before you start and after each mission.



Each of them will have something to say and you'll earn free paragon/renegade points by just talking about the previous mission to them.



I discovered this in my 3rd playthrough too, but I realized that skipping the noon-mission dialogue will mean that you'll be missing out on points.

[Satanic Hamster]

I talk the living crap out of everyone on the ship; that's not the issue.



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[SidNitzerglobin]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

Right, I understand that as I was unpleasantly surprised by the lack of ME2 NG+ bonuses. I'm just wondering if you can get the 30% bonus to R/P automatically if you were to switch up your passive skill like at key plot points (a la Miranda and Jack fight).

It appears that this is how it works, yes.  The passive skill bonus acts a multiplier to all accumulated R/P points.  How many R/P point you receive for a given interaction and your existing pool of R/P points remains constant regardless of what your passive bonus is. 

You should be able to respec for the higher multiplier, take care of all your problematic persuades (assuming the additional 30% puts you over the threshhold), then respec back.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 19 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Satanic Hamster]

Sweet jesus, still can't get Jack's loyalty back. And I've barely been saving on this run, mainly just overwriting the old saves.



Grrrr.