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[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mass Effect is fan service.

"Hello, my name is Commander Shepard, and I'm the biggest bad ass in the galaxy!"

You left out genetically re-engineered zombie cyborg that men and women of all species still feel sexually attracted to, even with deforming facial scars!

[Mazder]

Miranda and Jacob was more fan service than Tali or Garrus!
Hmmm, do I go for the new, different forms of life, ones I have built lasting relationships with throughout the story, or do I go dry hump the new hotties Cerberus got me?
Hmmm?
XD

[Avissel]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mass Effect is fan service.

"Hello, my name is Commander Shepard, and I'm the biggest bad ass in the galaxy!"

You left out genetically re-engineered zombie cyborg that men and women of all species still feel sexually attracted to, even with deforming facial scars!

ZOMBIE CYBORG SHEPARD DEMANDS ROBOBRAINS!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

FANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICE!!!RETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCON!!

[Raya Aroukii]

Mazder wrote...

Miranda and Jacob was more fan service than Tali or Garrus!
Hmmm, do I go for the new, different forms of life, ones I have built lasting relationships with throughout the story, or do I go dry hump the new hotties Cerberus got me?
Hmmm?
XD

Don't do it! It's all part of Cerberus's master plan!

[Avissel]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

FANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICEFANSERVICE!!!RETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCONRETCON!!

You and Zulu must get along famously.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Avissel I don't think what I did came out right. I was trying to point (albeit a bit stupidly) how a lot of people are always saying that Garrus and Tali were retcons/fanservices.

[PlumPaul93]

they were but does it matter no. It's disappointing a thread like this has reached 14 pages all it is is 14 pages of arguments.

[Avissel]

I know. I was using sarcasm based on the fact that Zulu is one of those people.

We are in agreement on this?

If So place your knuckles upon the screen, receive internet brofist.

[theriddlen]

I don't know how about Garrus, because i'm male, but Tali clearly was happy when Shepard was around her in ME1. Also, notice that she isn't nice and cute when she talks with someone else - only Shepard gets to see this side of her.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Avissel Yes, we are in agreement. *receives brofist*

[Mazder]

Raya Aroukii wrote...


Don't do it! It's all part of Cerberus's master plan!

Illusive Man: Hmmmm...Who do I put on the Normandy for Shepard?
Hotties! Everyone loves Hotties!
Miranda and Jacob: Yaaaay!

[Siansonea]

I have much bigger problems with other choices BioWare made in ME2, mainly railroading Shepard into working with Cerberus, the whole death-and-resurrection thing, and the weak sauce enemy that is the Collectors. Fanservice is preferable to building a story around gameplay changes, rather than the other way around. I still don't understand why Shepard was working with Kahoku-killin' Cerberus, HOW and WHY Cerberus was able to bring Shepard back from the dead, and what purpose the resurrection served in the story other than to give a story "reason" to rebuild Shepard's face and give him/her a new class and reset the clock on the stat block and inventory system. All of those are BAD REASONS to kill and then immediately resurrect a character, especially if there are no actual story repurcussions other than a long absence. Everyone in the game is like "Hey Shepard, back from the dead, I see. Let me tell you about MY problems..."

My point is, if you want to point to choices the developers made that truly are full of fail, stop nattering over the Garrus and Tali romances. At least they're OPTIONAL. I sure wish I had the OPTION to tell Cerberus to get stuffed, or actually say to somebody "HEY, I'M BACK FROM THE DEAD, DON'T YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE GOING INTO THE LIGHT?!"

[hawat333]

Absolutely.
They are against the lore of the original Mass Effect universe, so I can't see any reasonable explanation other than a silly, silly fan service.
Meh.

[Raya Aroukii]

Mazder wrote...

Raya Aroukii wrote...


Don't do it! It's all part of Cerberus's master plan!

Illusive Man: Hmmmm...Who do I put on the Normandy for Shepard?
Hotties! Everyone loves Hotties!
Miranda and Jacob: Yaaaay!

Illusive Man: Jacob, Miranda, I want you to pursue Shepard, seduce him/her. Once you have done so, brainwash him/her, so he/she will do anything I say. 

[Burnham1]

The romance between Shepard and Garrus/Tali is one built completely out of respect and admiration for the other person. Garrus even admits, if I recall correctly, he never thought about Shepard in a purely sexual means, but instead respected Shepard more than anyone else in the galaxy. Tali's feelings are built the same way. They aren't physically attracted to Shepard, they just respect and admire him/her more than anyone else in the galaxy. And for non-shallow people, that is the most important thing when forming a relationship.

[Avissel]

hawat333 wrote...

Absolutely.
They are against the lore of the original Mass Effect universe, so I can't see any reasonable explanation other than a silly, silly fan service.
Meh.

lawl wut

[catabuca]

Yes they were fanservice. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's the fans who buy the game and keep coming back for more, after all.

[Centauri2002]

theriddlen wrote...

I don't know how about Garrus, because i'm male, but Tali clearly was happy when Shepard was around her in ME1. Also, notice that she isn't nice and cute when she talks with someone else - only Shepard gets to see this side of her.

My FemShep got to receive some quite cute/nice dialogue from Tali and there was no romance there. Besides, you have no clue what she's saying to the other crew down in that engine room. She might be sharing cute one-liners with them too.

[Cutlass Jack]

theriddlen wrote...

I don't know how about Garrus, because i'm male, but Tali clearly was happy when Shepard was around her in ME1. Also, notice that she isn't nice and cute when she talks with someone else - only Shepard gets to see this side of her.

Yup I noticed it. Which is why my first playthrough I spent trying to romance her when she wasn't technically a romantic interest. (Having no spoilers at all so was clueless as to romantic options)

That worked out pretty good when that Shepard got into ME2. And Kelly's conversation clearly addresses that personality trait.

[Someone With Mass]

hawat333 wrote...

Absolutely.
They are against the lore of the original Mass Effect universe, so I can't see any reasonable explanation other than a silly, silly fan service.
Meh.

Not very thought out comment is very generic.

[Avissel]

centauri2002 wrote...

My FemShep got to receive some quite cute/nice dialogue from Tali and there was no romance there. Besides, you have no clue what she's saying to the other crew down in that engine room. She might be sharing cute one-liners with them too.

I believe at one point Femshep/Tali was an option. But it was removed for reasons I do not know.

More's the pity.

[Raya Aroukii]

Avissel wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

My FemShep got to receive some quite cute/nice dialogue from Tali and there was no romance there. Besides, you have no clue what she's saying to the other crew down in that engine room. She might be sharing cute one-liners with them too.

I believe at one point Femshep/Tali was an option. But it was removed for reasons I do not know.

More's the pity.

Because only Asari can be attractive/attracted to human women...

[Centauri2002]

Avissel wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

My FemShep got to receive some quite cute/nice dialogue from Tali and there was no romance there. Besides, you have no clue what she's saying to the other crew down in that engine room. She might be sharing cute one-liners with them too.

I believe at one point Femshep/Tali was an option. But it was removed for reasons I do not know.

More's the pity.

Really? I hadn't heard that.

It would be a pity then, because I could see myself taking that option on a tertiary play through. If I can resist Liara. >.>

[Rekkampum]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Yep.