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[Nashiktal]

MajesticJazz wrote...


Another example of obvious fanservice that I hate is that Ashley has her hair down in ME3. While I find it attractive, it contradicts who she was designed to be. Most of the people here weren't here at the old ME forums during late 2006/early 2007 but I remember Chris P saying something that they wanted Ashley to be attractive in a sense that she is that typical female co-worker that looks good, but good in a professional way, not a sleezy "girl at the club" attractive.

Ashley wears no makeup and has her hair in a bun in ME1/ME2. But she has her hair down in ME3 and from the photo, looks like she has some makeup and some minor eye shadow details.Again, Bioware trying to please those male gamers who believes that the only way a female can be attractive is if she has long flowy hair and full makeup....

I hear that they are changing Jack because supposendly she has "matured" but yet ME3 only takes place a few weeks/months after ME2....how much could she have changed?

Might as well give Tali a mini skirt and 5"heels in ME3....


I want Bioware to tell their story, not a story based around what forum members suggest. That is fine with combat and gameplay mechanics, but not plot points. 

I am really hoping the hair being down is just ashely in civilian clothing during sheps trial or something equally as important. Is it sad that I see her bun a major aspect of her character? (in a sybolic way)

I am really hoping they stop doing the facemask thing in 3. I am really, REALLY hoping,.

[Ye Olde Gamer]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
[That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

I don't know, Shepard worship is par for the course in ME2.   Tali merely thought Shepard was a dashing, invincible hero;  most people seem convinced that Shepard fired himself out of the Normandy's torpedo tubes to personally defeat Sovereign in hand to mecha-tentacle combat.

I'd have been much happier if Shepard didn't get the space messiah treatment, but I'd put the blame for that on tIM and Harbinger longer before Tali.

[AngelicMachinery]

Ye Olde Gamer wrote...
most people seem convinced that Shepard fired himself out of the Normandy's torpedo tubes to personally defeat Sovereign in hand to mecha-tentacle combat.

If this scene doesn't occur in ME3 I will haz a sad.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Nashiktal wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Yep, and they went overboard in some aspects. Tali's a virgin? GTFOH! Blatant pandering. I hope there's another alien virgin in ME3 so Shepard can go three for three! Maybe we could get an achievement for it. Imagine it, before the epic final battle with the Reapers you lay with another sweet young alien thang and plok! "Buster Hymen 100 points" appears on screen. Glorious!

Seriously though, Bioware definitely needs to chill with the fan service in ME3. They already pushed it with ME2. Gameplay fan service is one thing, but plot and character fan service is another. Plot integrity is a must. It's not supposed to ****d out to the whims of the fan base.

I agree with you, however the Tali virgin this is actually quite justified considering Tali's age from ME1 and lore reasons involving the Quarian immune system.

Quarian teenagers don't have sex?  Plus it would nowhere be as dangerous to get it on with her own kind than with a human.  Not to mention with her status she'd have access to other Quarian studs with status.  Nobody wants to get with the daughter of an admiral?

First of all I already told you Quarians don't have actual, physical sex casually for lore reasons. Everything in lore points to the use of nerve stim programs for "casual" sexual release. Its just too dangerous to risk it otherwise. 

Second of all the very fact she is the daughter of an admiral would actually mean less chance of such a relationship. Her father seems very protective of her. She is also seen as someone who has to set an example for her people.  (Also she just doesn't seem that promiscuous, aside from suddenly jumping down sheps pants of course)

Aside from all this arguing, why is it a bad thing Tali is a virgin again? 

Okay, I'll give you the fact that Quarians could be nerv stimming it up (even though I only remember that chick on Illium using it for her dry spells but what do I know?) but they don't date?  Tali wouldn't have a boyfriend?  With her being the daughter of an admiral and being part of the team that saved the Citadel she should have her share of suitors.  

As for why the virginity thing is bad, it's blatantly pandering to male egos.  She's pure, never been kissed, etc.  This is a big plus for a lot of men.  In most societies it's frowned upon for a woman to give up her body freely and virginity is something to be priiized.  Ever heard the term sloppy seconds?

Basically it's too perfect and combined with her other traits imo it's too much.

[Nashiktal]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Yep, and they went overboard in some aspects. Tali's a virgin? GTFOH! Blatant pandering. I hope there's another alien virgin in ME3 so Shepard can go three for three! Maybe we could get an achievement for it. Imagine it, before the epic final battle with the Reapers you lay with another sweet young alien thang and plok! "Buster Hymen 100 points" appears on screen. Glorious!

Seriously though, Bioware definitely needs to chill with the fan service in ME3. They already pushed it with ME2. Gameplay fan service is one thing, but plot and character fan service is another. Plot integrity is a must. It's not supposed to ****d out to the whims of the fan base.

I agree with you, however the Tali virgin this is actually quite justified considering Tali's age from ME1 and lore reasons involving the Quarian immune system.

Quarian teenagers don't have sex?  Plus it would nowhere be as dangerous to get it on with her own kind than with a human.  Not to mention with her status she'd have access to other Quarian studs with status.  Nobody wants to get with the daughter of an admiral?

First of all I already told you Quarians don't have actual, physical sex casually for lore reasons. Everything in lore points to the use of nerve stim programs for "casual" sexual release. Its just too dangerous to risk it otherwise. 

Second of all the very fact she is the daughter of an admiral would actually mean less chance of such a relationship. Her father seems very protective of her. She is also seen as someone who has to set an example for her people.  (Also she just doesn't seem that promiscuous, aside from suddenly jumping down sheps pants of course)

Aside from all this arguing, why is it a bad thing Tali is a virgin again? 

Okay, I'll give you the fact that Quarians could be nerv stimming it up (even though I only remember that chick on Illium using it for her dry spells but what do I know?) but they don't date?  Tali wouldn't have a boyfriend?  With her being the daughter of an admiral and being part of the team that saved the Citadel she should have her share of suitors.  

As for why the virginity thing is bad, it's blatantly pandering to male egos.  She's pure, never been kissed, etc.  This is a big plus for a lot of men.  In most societies it's frowned upon for a woman to give up her body freely and virginity is something to be priiized.  Ever heard the term sloppy seconds?

Basically it's too perfect and combined with her other traits imo it's too much.

Kinda hard to kiss someone when they are wearing a suit 24/7. Really most of this is justified by lore. I understand why you might not like it, but really.

I don't remember anyone complaining about Liara being a virgin.

Edit: Hell I actually never really noticed that Tali was a virgin until it was brought up in this thread. I felt more focus was put on the fact she is coming out of her suit for shep, more than her having sex for the first time.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 23 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Eudaemonium]

Nashiktal wrote...

I don't remember anyone complaining about Liara being a virgin.

I complained about that. It just felt somewhat odd to me with her being over a hundred years old and all. I mean, I can rationalise it via her character and asari maturation, but it still felt like a bit of pandering to stereotypical male gamers' egos. (To clarify: I'm a male gamer who also romanced Liara, I just found that aspect of her character rather unnecessary and a bit immersion-breaking at the time).

[Dracotamer]

They said they wanted to in the first game but were unsure how we would react. When they saw that we were all for it they did it. Now let's see Tali's face.

[Nashiktal]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I don't remember anyone complaining about Liara being a virgin.

I complained about that. It just felt somewhat odd to me with her being over a hundred years old and all. I mean, I can rationalise it via her character and asari maturation, but it still felt like a bit of pandering to stereotypical male gamers' egos. (To clarify: I'm a male gamer who also romanced Liara, I just found that aspect of her character rather unnecessary and a bit immersion-breaking at the time).

Hm, proven wrong then. Though I could also waste a paragraph trying to tell you how she is justified being one.

[magnuskn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Aside from all this arguing, why is it a bad thing Tali is a virgin again? 

It's not.

Everyone just seems to prefer the ho-bag that drops her panties at the sight of a dollar.

The fan reaction to Isabella over in DA2 says otherwise.

God, I am bumping a thread made by Borshbeet.   <scrubs himself furiously>

[Manic Sheep]

Sort of, I think they were only added in as romances because the fans wanted it (in fact didn’t the devs say this?) but they didn’t come across like they were just there to throw the fans a bone. Their romances are just as legit and complete as the others (well to be perfectly honest I don’t like Tali’s romance because she comes across as too fan girly and it seems kinda stupid to risk getting sick right before the SM but I guess that’s just me. Personal taste and all that). They also did a pretty good job of making it seem like a natural evolution of the character.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 23 avril 2011 - 08:28 .

[Nashiktal]

magnuskn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Aside from all this arguing, why is it a bad thing Tali is a virgin again? 

It's not.

Everyone just seems to prefer the ho-bag that drops her panties at the sight of a dollar.

The fan reaction to Isabella over in DA2 says otherwise.

God, I am bumping a thread made by Borshbeet.   <scrubs himself furiously>

Just can't please anyone can you? XD

[Neophyte Padawan]

Yes, no doubt. But both seem to have been popular with fans, so I guess Bioware were on to a winner on this one.

Personally I disliked both of them, though not because of 'fanservice'. Garrus acted as if the last he wanted to do was go anywhere near Shepard in that way, but agreed because he 'respected' her too much to say no, while the dangers to Tali's immune system make that romance far too awkward for my liking.

However, I would far rather Bioware listened to their fans and worked to make their suggestions viable in the game, than developing in a vacuum without listening to any feedback!

[MajesticJazz]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

Thats just the thing I find interesting about the Tali romance. Unlike Miranda and Jack which offers some sort of resistance at first, Tali doesn't offer ANY challenge for Shepard. She basically implied that she always wanted to spread her legs for Shepard.

This is why I think a lot of guys like the Tali romance because she strokes Shepard's ego. This is where the "Shepard Cheerleader" notion comes from because she is like a male Shepard lap dog not to mention that she comes across as VERY emotionally/sexually submissive.

[magnuskn]

MajesticJazz wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

Thats just the thing I find interesting about the Tali romance. Unlike Miranda and Jack which offers some sort of resistance at first, Tali doesn't offer ANY challenge for Shepard. She basically implied that she always wanted to spread her legs for Shepard.

This is why I think a lot of guys like the Tali romance because she strokes Shepard's ego. This is where the "Shepard Cheerleader" notion comes from because she is like a male Shepard lap dog not to mention that she comes across as VERY emotionally/sexually submissive.

OR because Tali is an actual nice person ( being fictional nonwithstanding ), while Jack and Miranda are... not.

[AngelicMachinery]

magnuskn wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

Thats just the thing I find interesting about the Tali romance. Unlike Miranda and Jack which offers some sort of resistance at first, Tali doesn't offer ANY challenge for Shepard. She basically implied that she always wanted to spread her legs for Shepard.

This is why I think a lot of guys like the Tali romance because she strokes Shepard's ego. This is where the "Shepard Cheerleader" notion comes from because she is like a male Shepard lap dog not to mention that she comes across as VERY emotionally/sexually submissive.

OR because Tali is an actual nice person ( being fictional nonwithstanding ), while Jack and Miranda are... not.

HEY!!  Jack is just misunderstood.

[MajesticJazz]

magnuskn wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

Thats just the thing I find interesting about the Tali romance. Unlike Miranda and Jack which offers some sort of resistance at first, Tali doesn't offer ANY challenge for Shepard. She basically implied that she always wanted to spread her legs for Shepard.

This is why I think a lot of guys like the Tali romance because she strokes Shepard's ego. This is where the "Shepard Cheerleader" notion comes from because she is like a male Shepard lap dog not to mention that she comes across as VERY emotionally/sexually submissive.

OR because Tali is an actual nice person ( being fictional nonwithstanding ), while Jack and Miranda are... not.

WRONG!

Mirand and Jack ARE nice people with a soft side, the thing is you as the man (male Shepard) has to find that soft spot....just like in a real relationship. I have known many women that initally seem like they have a block of ice around them, but after getting to know them and learning more about them, I find out that in actuallity, they aren't bad at all and have a really good personality.....it just took me some time to better understand them. Miranda and Jack's romances are the same. They might resist you at first or put up a wall, but eventually you learn more about them and this is where the romance is able to initiate.

With Tali, there was NEVER that wall. She basically just tells you to come on on. Being a nice person has nothing to do with it. I've known many nice, sweet, kind, and soft-spoken women but they never were "easy". They still had a wall that men had the break through before they were willing to take things to the next level. So Tali being nice is irrelevant.

You or anyone else can argue with me all you want but it is a FACT that Tali DOES NOT offer any resistance  to Shepard's advances just like Liara didn't offer any in ME1 but Ashley did. Hell, Ashley even makes fun of you when you try to say something romantic. She says something like "Damn, is that the best you can do?" or something to that nature. That is why I like the Ashley romance because she subtly lets it be known that she has some type of interest in Male Shepard, but she isn't obvious about it and as the man, you have to keep working at it because she fully commits and lets her emotions out to you. 

Going back to Tali, she pretty much serves as the Damsel in Distress. The male Knight in the shiny armor there to save the beautiful princess from the threat of danger and he does in her recruitment mission and again in ME1 when she was in trouble with Fist. 

There is nothing wrong with that because you like what you like. What I like doesn't mean that everyone else has to like. I am just saying that from my perspective, Tali came across as too....easy without any real resistance which as a guy, I find as a turn off as it makes the female looks needy.

[PrinceLionheart]

MajesticJazz wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That's fair enough, but when you add the fact that most of the romance consisted of her raving how awesome and manly Shep is and how she want to jump his bones....yeah really wasn't a fan of Tali's romance. 

Thats just the thing I find interesting about the Tali romance. Unlike Miranda and Jack which offers some sort of resistance at first, Tali doesn't offer ANY challenge for Shepard. She basically implied that she always wanted to spread her legs for Shepard.

This is why I think a lot of guys like the Tali romance because she strokes Shepard's ego. This is where the "Shepard Cheerleader" notion comes from because she is like a male Shepard lap dog not to mention that she comes across as VERY emotionally/sexually submissive.

Although it's more blunt than the way I put it, yeah that's how I felt too. lol

[Someone With Mass]

Eh, Miranda's character does this very obvious 180 after her loyalty mission. At least Tali's character stays a little consistent.

[Pwener2313]

Fan service? What? Noooooooo...............

/sarcasm

[AngelicMachinery]

mrsph wrote...

I'm pretty sure every romance is underneath Shepard after like two conversations.

Everyone is easy in Mass Effect.

Legion resisted all my wiles.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Legion resisted all my wiles.

Legion and Wrex are not to be.

Too manly/badass for such things.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I'd also like to point out that I wasn't a Garrus fan before ME2. I mean the dude was ok, but kind of an uptight ******. I had Kaidan and Wrex with me all the time instead.

And the ME2 romance and character development sold me on Garrus. So there has to be something there that's accessible to people who aren't already fans, because I wasn't, and it hooked me.

[Chewin]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Legion resisted all my wiles.

Legion and Wrex are not to be.

Too manly/badass for such things.

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