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[Onyx Jaguar]

ShadyKat wrote...

All romances are fan service.

Quoted for truths

[PMorgan18]

Well in a interview with Casey Hudson he said that Tali was going to be a LI in ME1 but the team thought that nobody would like a girl with "chicken feet" but fans changed there mind, same with Garrus with the fans.  So it would seem like they are fan service because a lot of the fans asked for it.  I think it was a good idea on their part because of their large fanbases, as you see with Tali, and they familar characters they are like Shepherd's best friends because they have been with him since the beginning.

[Pauravi]

Bann Duncan wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Yes. Think about it, the only two returning members of Shepard's old crew are the two members that fans have begged to be love interests. I don't think that either were ever really considered options for romance (developers did say that they considered Tali during production, but then again hundreds of things are considered during production that never make it in to the game), but the fans wanted it and BioWare made it work.

Exactly. This is pretty much the reason the whole Talimance fan phenomenon irks me, as I don't much like the idea of BW's final product being changed story-wise to fit what fans want.

See, I don't think that they're changing the story to fit what the players want.  The relationships draw us in to the story, they are not the story by themselves.

Bioware is well-aware that people will have favorite characters, and I believe that they will take suggestions on this sort of thing as long as it fits.  I don't believe for a second that they would wedge something in that didn't make sense just because the fans asked for it.  They know how they want the story to flow and they aren't about to compromise it just because people clamor.  That said, Bioware has always made a habit of taking player suggestions seriously, whether it is with characters or gameplay.  I don't see this as a bad thing.  Look at the tweaks they made to planet exploration -- they completely changed the way it worked because too many people didn't like the Mako or the generic planet scenery and repetitive buildings.  Instead, they made fewer but much higher quality, more unique side missions.  This is just as much "fan service" as giving a well-liked character a bigger part.

I also don't agree at all that the Tali and Garrus romances didn't make sense -- quite the contrary, I thought that they were some of the most natural and most well done, and that they fit in very well next to the other characters relationship plots.

So were they fan service?  Maybe, maybe not.  Rumors say they had contemplated Tali as a romance in the first place.  But even if they were, does it matter?  Not at all, as long as they are well done, which they most certainly were.

[SteelEagleShane]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Actually Tali was supposed to be an LI in Mass Effect 1, but that romance was cut out because according to Casey(I think) they didn't think anyone wanted to romance a "chicken-foot alien". After seeing the positive response to Tali, they realized their mistake.

This is the correct response.

[BatarianBob]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't see why it's farfetched, for Tali at least. Quarians have already been said to be the race closest to human...

Said by whom?  I played ME1 more times than is probably healthy and I don't recall hearing that.

[grayfox4000]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Her friendship in ME1 grows into more when your not around for 2 years she had feelings for you in ME1 but was too shy to in ME1 to tell you how she felt. Its not sudden its just a development to something more after you have been with somebody like that and then you miss them. You wish you said something to them but they are just gone. Then years later you meet up with your old school crush kind of thing. Thats how it was with her.

And god people should learn by now, it doesn't matter what you look like out side, its whats inside that matters. If I have feelings for a female alien slime then so be it as long as the personality is perfect I'll let her slime all over me any day. Beauty is only skin deep. And Tali is the perfect female personality for me.  What do you expect her to be like a **** and try to get you in bed the 2nd shes on the Normandy in the 1st game? Sometimes these things take time to really show and it just hits you you love somebody.

[Cutlass Jack]

Taranatar9 wrote...

Said by whom?  I played ME1 more times than is probably healthy and I don't recall hearing that.

Unless I'm completely mistaken it was said in one of the novels.

[Nozybidaj]

Do you think the Garrus and Tali romances were just fan service?

It wasn't obvious?   I mean they did a good job with them sure (at least the Tali one, never saw the Garrus one) but the only reason they are there is because of fan service.  That's probably the only reason they are in the game at all and not sent off to cameo land with the rest of the ME1 characters.

[InvaderErl]

Fan service can be a good thing.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 18 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Urazz]

Kordras wrote...

I wouldn't say she 'suddenly' falls in love with him. Starting with ME1, 2 years to reflect, and then through the events in ME2 (especially if you manage to keep her from being exiled). Her and Garrus have both been through a LOT with Shepard, so I don't see them shallow. If anything, they make more sense than the Jacob/Thane/Miranda romances, IMO.

I dunno about that.  Garrus' romance felt kind of forced for me.  Tali's was well done though and I could see her being attracted to Shepard.  Personally, I thought Miranda's romance was well done as well but I can't answer about Jacob's or Thane's romance.

Though from what I'm thinking of what Thane's roamnce is like initially, it probably will seemed forced since Thane is going to die anyways and seemed a bit hung up on his wife and was more concerned with his son than any romance with Shepard.  I'll have to do play another female shepard and romance Thane to find out for sure.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Tali, no.
Garrus, yes. I'm sorry but the idea of a human and a turian is just...   It's wrong and out of place. He has that shell thingy and a carapace... He doesn't even have lips. It's as odd as romancing a geth, batarian or krogan.

Furhtermore I thing super renegades who did not get the med bay should not be able to have romances with human crew. Seriously, who's going to want to be intimate with a grey skinned zombie-terminator?

[Nozybidaj]

InvaderErl wrote...

Fan service can be a good thing.

Agreed, never meant to imply it was a bad thing.

[InvaderErl]

Kay, I'm gonna go watch Mordin singing in that case.

Seriously, who's going to want to be intimate with a grey skinned zombie-terminator?

Legion.

[Nightwriter]

Oh, 'tis a fine, fine line between "fan service" and just being a good developing company... by listening to your fans.

[Lucazius]

Probably... and I love it.

[ajk22]

They need to have tali and garrus again, everyone loves them!  I hope bioware will listen to a thousand page thread

[sergio71785]

crimzontearz wrote...

actually Tali was supposed to be a Love interest in ME1 ...but was then removed because the developers thought people would not have liked to romance a girl with inverted knees/chicken legs

Hey knees aren't inverted. It kinda looks like it, but her knees actually bend just like a human's. It's just her shins are curved inwards.

[smudboy]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Tali:
1. As we learn in ME2, to Tali, Shepard was the savior of the galaxy.
2. She was his friend and comrade in saving that galaxy.
3. Shepard saved her life from Fist and his henchmen.
4. She's a tech head, and gave Tali the opportunity to be on the most advanced ship in the fleet, to save the galaxy, which she completely loves/has issues sleeping with/deals with.
5. (optional) He gave Tali her pilgrimage gift, her "coming of age" journey, which makes Tali an "adult".
6a. (optional) "Tear into the Thorian like a force of nature.  Nothing could slow you down." (ME2)
6b. (optional) "You risked your own life to save the colonists on Feros two years ago.  Nobody else could have saved them" (ME2)
7a. (optional) "I watched your face as Wrex betrayed you.  As you did what you had to." (ME2)
7b. (optional) "I watched your face as Lieutenant Alenko/Chief Williams died on Virmire." (ME2)
8. "I've watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you.  I've watched you for so long, and I never imagined you'd ever see past this." (ME2)

Nevermind the whole saving Veetor/Reegar/protecting her father/hugging her/not getting her ex-communicated, and potentially helping her getting back her homeworld/building her a house in one of your disucssions.

Now I'm not one for hero worship, but I hear girls like being saved.  Let alone multiple times.  But Tali (and Garrus) are the best examples of continuity of ME1 and ME2.  With Tali, the storytelling is granted a very romantic feeling.  Shepard and Tali even play along, by calling Shepard captain in some scenes, and Shepard calling her "vas Normandy."

Now, yes, you can call this fanservice, but it's not out of the blue.  And it's done helluva right.

I would've liked Shepard to be a bit more romantic as well, but that's just me.

[cerberus1701]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Tali was originally intended to be an LI in ME anyway. One of the "choice after romancing both scenes" is a choice between Tali and Ash (Even though you can't technically romance Tali) They just pulled it at the last minute because they weren't quite sure how her "non-human attributes" would go over.
 
So, at least as far as Tali goes, it's not fanservice, so much as now feeling comfortable doing something they'd always intended to.

Is Garrus, fanservice? Maybe. But ,so what? A) I always thought him a better man than Kaiden anyway and We're the ones that buy the game by the millions, if we want a little fanservice, in return, why not?

Besides, giving in to that fanservice gives the people an added incentive to get the game. If you cater to a market segment you can get that market segment and make more money.

[Naltair]

"Captain's Orders," is one of the best lines in the game.

[rabbitchannel]

I wasn't even aware that there was a demand for Garrus romance. :\\

[screwoffreg]

Whether it was pure fan service or not the fact that Bioware paid some attention to overwhelming fan desire should be lauded, not looked down upon. Most companies couldn't give a flip what fans think so long as people pay $50 upfront for a well marketed but underdelivering product. Look at the dozens of trash games that come out each year but still manage to make some sales.



With that said, Bioware has always had a closer relationship with its fans than most companies. Occasionally, devs get involved with the forums and even in earlier times, they actually directly helped the modding community with their own work. I am glad to see joining with EA and going "big corporate" has not changed that completely and I hope the relationship with dedicated fans continues.

[Stinkface27]

rab****annel wrote...

I wasn't even aware that there was a demand for Garrus romance. :\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

Then I must respectfully assume that you haven't spent much time on these or any other Mass Effect forums in the last few years. 

I believe that Garrus and Tali romances were totally fan service, but if they had been unreasonable or completely unrealistic, BioWare wouldn't have buckled and done them simply to please the masses. I believe they do have standards.

As far as believablity, I personally think that Tali is certainly humanoid, likeable and charismatic enough to constitute love interest status. Garrus a little less humanoid but he makes up for it in the likeable and charasmatic departments.

Seriously, though. Shepard has been through absolute hell over the last several years. Just the sh*tstorm in ME1 was enough..then the Normandy going down, then that whole being dead thing. Then the only people who stick with him/her are two of his old friends. To suggest that romance could not blossom from that is more unrealistic than the contrary.

Modifié par Stinkface27, 18 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Kordras wrote...

I wouldn't say she 'suddenly' falls in love with him. Starting with ME1, 2 years to reflect, and then through the events in ME2 (especially if you manage to keep her from being exiled). Her and Garrus have both been through a LOT with Shepard, so I don't see them shallow. If anything, they make more sense than the Jacob/Thane/Miranda romances, IMO.

Yeah, I agree.  The Jacob/Miranda scenarios seem more like lust not romance. 

[GenericPlayer2]

I have no issues with fan service so long as it does not come at the expense of telling a compelling story.

As for Garrus, maybe its because I'm a guy but I would think a Fem Shep would not romance him, he seems more like a sibling than an LI. Then again its probably my gender's perspective. I have not romanced Tali either - but for different reasons - I just don't want to get caught up in the whole Quarian drama.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 18 février 2010 - 05:35 .