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[Cutlass Jack]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Tali's romance was fantastic. The best part is how it's built on ME 1, she mentions how you saved the people of Feros and watched you face when Ash/Kaiden died... it was a remarkable detail in the converation that really made a powerful statement.. Certainly about a hundred times better than Miranda's "i'm not a daughter I'm a dynasty I'm engineered to be perfect" crap.

A thousand times this.

[RVonE]

Well, on the old forums we initiated the first Tali Love thread somewhere in 2007 and we've been posting about wanting a Tali romance untill ME2 was released. Inbetween we went through a lot of Tali Love threads which were by far the largest on the old forums. Devs responded on multiple occasions stating that they were surprised by all this affection for Tali's character. Now we actually have the romance option so in a way it is hard to argue that it isn't fan service. On the other hand, it is a well executed take on evolving Tali's character and feels really meaningful. So, I'd say that it's fan service and more.

[Jackal904]

[quote]Gerudan wrote...

[quote]Jackal904 wrote...

Her romance plot is good but nothing compared to Jack's.[/quote]

The conclusion of the romance with Jack is great, but I don't think it would be likely, that a paragon Shep would fall in love with her or she in love with Shep. 
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Well seeing as how I was a paragon Shepard and I had a romance with her, that kind of destroys your point. I don't think it's a stretch at all.

[quote]Pauravi wrote...

The conclusion of the romance with Jack
is great, but I don't think it would be likely, that a paragon Shep
would fall in love with her or she in love with Shep. 
[/quote]

You're saying that a Paragon would have no interest in trying to help someone who is steeped in anger and incapable of forming close relationships due to suffering horrendous abuse as a child?  I don't know, seems like the sort of thing a kind, patient person might try.  Who knows, they might even grow close to them as a result...
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Exactly. It makes complete sense.

Modifié par Jackal904, 18 février 2010 - 10:16 .

[DuffyMJ]

[quote]Jackal904 wrote...

[quote]Gerudan wrote...

[quote]Jackal904 wrote...

Her romance plot is good but nothing compared to Jack's.[/quote]

The conclusion of the romance with Jack is great, but I don't think it would be likely, that a paragon Shep would fall in love with her or she in love with Shep. 
[/quote]

Well seeing as how I was a paragon Shepard and I had a romance with her, that kind of destroys your point. I don't think it's a stretch at all.

[quote]Pauravi wrote...

The conclusion of the romance with Jack
is great, but I don't think it would be likely, that a paragon Shep
would fall in love with her or she in love with Shep. 
[/quote]

You're saying that a Paragon would have no interest in trying to help someone who is steeped in anger and incapable of forming close relationships due to suffering horrendous abuse as a child?  I don't know, seems like the sort of thing a kind, patient person might try.  Who knows, they might even grow close to them as a result...
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Exactly. It makes complete sense.[/quote]

On the second point, I don't know.  I don't think paragon = social worker, you know? 

[atheelogos]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Tali is a bit of stretch and at first I was againist it, but I've really warmed to the idea of human quarian relations. Garrus on the other hand is not even something I consider canon, and don't get me started on thane. Also asari and krogan relations are down right nasty.

Modifié par atheelogos, 18 février 2010 - 11:50 .

[Jzadek72]

What peopke don't seem to understand is that when the say, oh, a garrus romance is just fan service, no one would really want to get with a turian, is that people do, and that is why he is fan service. If people can find the ingame turian attractive, it's not far fetched to believe that it could actually happen. Personally, I can't think why they would, but they do, and so a romance makes sense.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

SmokePants wrote...

The writers definitely embraced the idea of a Tali romance, whereas with Garrus, it's clear that they were mocking that fanbase.

"You want to do what to me, Sheperd?"

"Huh."

"No, no, I'm just trying to imagine how that would work."

"I'm not physically attracted to you in the slightest and you might as well be a male human, but what the Hell. Beats jacking off, I guess."

"I'll bring the booze."

Which is interesting because asari, who the turians are all over, look just like human females.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

HAGA NAGA wrote...

Fan Sevice!?...........Fan Service?!...........This WHOLE game's Fan Service!!!!!!!!!!

BLASTO!!!

[Your Synthetic Superior]

The Governator wrote...

Kordras wrote...

I wouldn't say she 'suddenly' falls in love with him. Starting with ME1, 2 years to reflect, and then through the events in ME2 (especially if you manage to keep her from being exiled). Her and Garrus have both been through a LOT with Shepard, so I don't see them shallow. If anything, they make more sense than the Jacob/Thane/Miranda romances, IMO.

Tali's romance seems VERY organic.  It flows and it is beautiful when she tells him that she has watched him for so long.  That makes it more touching.  (If one is to romance Tali, do her the favor of being free and clear of other romances)

Garrus...he's just cool.  His is a bit awkward, but that could be due to the rather extreme physiological differences.

Why a Paragon Femshep would EVER go with Thane is beyond reasoning to me.  He's a murderer.  I think he's cool, I do.  I don't like his look, but he does have a certain Je ne sais quoi; that does not mean I think he is a good romance option for a Paragon femshep.

Jacob is all right...but it seems stale to me.

Jack...ick.  Too checkered a past for a Paragon Shepard. 

Miranda...hussie

Fidelity is another matter.  I agree that the LIs from ME1 were given weak roles in ME2 and they were too antagonistic to Shepard, but that does not mean Shepard should 'cheat' unless the relationship is definitively over.

I thought they were over. Liara gives you one kiss and that's supposed to mean something? They didn't even discuss their relation even though she hasn't seen him in 2 years? Shepard speaks with her as if they broke up before the Normandy exploded and were now just good friends. There was more chemistry with Wrex.

[ERJAK2]

InHarmsWay wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

Tali:
1. As we learn in ME2, to Tali, Shepard was the savior of the galaxy.
2. She was his friend and comrade in saving that galaxy.
3. Shepard saved her life from Fist and his henchmen.
4. She's a tech head, and gave Tali the opportunity to be on the most advanced ship in the fleet, to save the galaxy, which she completely loves/has issues sleeping with/deals with.
5. (optional) He gave Tali her pilgrimage gift, her "coming of age" journey, which makes Tali an "adult".
6a. (optional) "Tear into the Thorian like a force of nature.  Nothing could slow you down." (ME2)
6b. (optional) "You risked your own life to save the colonists on Feros two years ago.  Nobody else could have saved them" (ME2)
7a. (optional) "I watched your face as Wrex betrayed you.  As you did what you had to." (ME2)
7b. (optional) "I watched your face as Lieutenant Alenko/Chief Williams died on Virmire." (ME2)
8. "I've watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you.  I've watched you for so long, and I never imagined you'd ever see past this." (ME2)

Nevermind the whole saving Veetor/Reegar/protecting her father/hugging her/not getting her ex-communicated, and potentially helping her getting back her homeworld/building her a house in one of your disucssions.

Now I'm not one for hero worship, but I hear girls like being saved.  Let alone multiple times.  But Tali (and Garrus) are the best examples of continuity of ME1 and ME2.  With Tali, the storytelling is granted a very romantic feeling.  Shepard and Tali even play along, by calling Shepard captain in some scenes, and Shepard calling her "vas Normandy."

Now, yes, you can call this fanservice, but it's not out of the blue.  And it's done helluva right.

I would've liked Shepard to be a bit more romantic as well, but that's just me.

Best reasoning why Tali's romance was not forced.

No romance can ever be forced in relation to commander shepard. She has done more for every individual she comes across than anyone else in their life. Agree with the logic though.

[MajesticJazz]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think they both seemed a bit far fetched.  Tali didn't show any romantic interest in Shepard at all in Mass Effect 1 and all of the sudden she falls in love with him in Mass Effect 2?  So much so that she's willing to risk her life scrogging him?
Also, Turians are probably the least looking humanoid aliens in the galaxy yet he and Shepard agree to scrog?

I have nothing against these romances being included as fan service of course.  I just have trouble taking them seriously.

I agree, it is clear that Bioware just simply "threw" in the romance option for Tali/Garrus in ME2 simply to please the hardcore fanboys/fangirls who found these characters attractive in ME1 but was let down that they couldn't romance them.

Honestly, I could careless because not only do I have the option to not romance them, but I have the option to kill them in ME2 and to MAKE SURE that no matter how important Bioware tries to make Garrus/Tali in ME3, I can be sure that they won't be in my version of ME3.

[Naltair]

Everything in the game is fan service. Even Conrad Verner.

[MajesticJazz]

Naltair wrote...

Everything in the game is fan service. Even Conrad Verner.

No, Conrad Verner is a subplot that was continued in ME2.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 20 avril 2011 - 10:52 .

[ExtremeOne]

yeah they were fan service and LOTSB with Liara was fan service

[MajesticJazz]

ExtremeOne wrote...

yeah they were fan service and LOTSB with Liara was fan service

Again, LOTSB was a DLC that continued a subplot in ME2. Not really fanservice.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 20 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[Saberchic]

Holy Thread-necro Batman! lol

[Marta Rio]

Saberchic wrote...

Holy Thread-necro Batman! lol

Not that this isn't a fun topic to discuss (Yes, yes they were absolutely fan service but I don't care because they were awesome!), but how in the heck are people finding these threads to necro?  When I try searching for anything I just end up giving up in frustration...

[MajesticJazz]

Marta Rio wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Holy Thread-necro Batman! lol

Not that this isn't a fun topic to discuss (Yes, yes they were absolutely fan service but I don't care because they were awesome!), but how in the heck are people finding these threads to necro?  When I try searching for anything I just end up giving up in frustration...

The problem with Fan Service in reference to Bioware/Mass Effect is that it eliminates the original/intended ideas that the Bioware had. Maybe coming out of ME1, did NOT have plans to feature Garrus/Tali in your squad in ME2. Perhaps they were intended to play minor roles like Ashley/Kaiden and Liara in ME2. Perhaps Bioware had plans on introducing us to a new Quarian squadmate, perhaps a male squadmate. Maybe Bioware had plans on introducing us to  a new Turian character with his on background and motives.

Look at what they did with the Asari/Krogan. Because Liara and Wrex didn't come back, this allowed BIoware to expand our understanding of Asari/Krogan by giving us an Asari that is more older and mature than Liara and is more driven by a moral code rather than curiosity like Liara in ME1. Grunt allowed us to see Krogan at a much different stage in life vs the older "been there and done that" nature of Wrex in ME1.

Bioware probably had plans to do the same with the Turians/Quarians but decided that they would forgo such ambitions to just bring back Garrus and Tali.

LONG STORY SHORT: Fan Service gets in the way of what the developer originally had in plan for certain characters/plot themes and motives.

[eternalnightmare13]

 All romances in ME are fan service.  They're all incredibly weakly written and one dimensional.

[Seboist]

Tali is the only good romance in ME2. The others have no substance and come out of nowhere.

[Autoclave]

Personally I am only OK with asari as non-humans LI. Anything else seems just strange for me. I can tolerate Tali being a LI but Garrus and Thane?? WTF?

[didymos1120]

MajesticJazz wrote...
Bioware probably had plans to do the same with the Turians/Quarians but decided that they would forgo such ambitions to just bring back Garrus and Tali.

This is pure assumption.

LONG STORY SHORT: Fan Service gets in the way of what the developer originally had in plan for certain characters/plot themes and motives.

No, it might get in the way.  Then again, it might not. 

[Clover Rider]

mrsph wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Again, LOTSB was a DLC that continued a subplot in ME2. Not really fanservice.

Looked like fanservice to me.

But seriously, everything in the game is fanservice. Romances being one of the bigger things

The Geth made into good guys is fanservice to me.

Modifié par Some Geth, 21 avril 2011 - 12:31 .