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Do you think the Garrus and Tali romances were just fan service?


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LadyJaneGrey wrote...

The only time I felt irritated that Garrus or Tali turned into potential LI was repeatedly hearing the "calibrations" line. Shepard should not have to bang her best friend to access so much of his dialogue.

But that's not really a strike against a particular romance's fanbase. They didn't ask for the friend interactions to feel so short.

I had that problem with everyone except Thane.  Thane had, comparatively, a lot to say regardless of sexing, even though I got landed with his "I'd like to reflect on our earlier discussion" once or twice.

Garrus, however, is always in the middle of some calibrations.
Tali needs to finish cleaning the engines.
Miranda has a lot of work to do; maybe another time...
Jack doesn't want to be a member of your little girl club.
And Jacob's not big on forcing "these talks."

There wasn't enough non-romance, post-LM chitchat for most of 'em, if you ask me.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

The only time I felt irritated that Garrus or Tali turned into potential LI was repeatedly hearing the "calibrations" line. Shepard should not have to bang her best friend to access so much of his dialogue.

But that's not really a strike against a particular romance's fanbase. They didn't ask for the friend interactions to feel so short.

I had that problem with everyone except Thane.  Thane had, comparatively, a lot to say regardless of sexing, even though I got landed with his "I'd like to reflect on our earlier discussion" once or twice.

Garrus, however, is always in the middle of some calibrations.
Tali needs to finish cleaning the engines.
Miranda has a lot of work to do; maybe another time...
Jack doesn't want to be a member of your little girl club.
And Jacob's not big on forcing "these talks."

There wasn't enough non-romance, post-LM chitchat for most of 'em, if you ask me.


True enough; Garrus must have stuck out the most because I liked him so much.

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Amusingly enough, Jacob probably has the most conversations of any other character.

edit: I don't think they expected people to flock to Garrus. They clearly thought Thane and Jacob were going to be the most popular.

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Every romance is fan service

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lovgreno wrote...

Sure Tali and Garrus was fanservice, just like basicaly everything else in ME2. It's easier and cheaper to keep old costumers than make new ones.

But I'm okay with this as long as it's done well and in my opinion it was. Considering the popularity of Garrus and Tali many agree. Some say fanservice has RUINED mass effect but I'm sure the profits will help BioWare and EA deal with the critics.

So there is a good chance we will see many of the LIs again in ME3. It's realy just up to what the writers decides will be a good story. Some say they must be excluded for "fairness", personal opinions, variables and so on. Some say this is all impossible because of things like variables and even if it was possible it will inevitably make ME3 bad. This is what Garrus has to say about that:

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How can everything in ME 2 be fan service . I mean Tali and Garrus being in the game was complete fan service . Tali fans all but cried out for her to be in it. What pissed me off was she was in the first message in the game .Tali's whole attitude in ME 2 was disgusting and annoying . 

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mrsph wrote...

Amusingly enough, Jacob probably has the most conversations of any other character.

edit: I don't think they expected people to flock to Garrus. They clearly thought Thane and Jacob were going to be the most popular.


I don't see why they wouldn't have thought that. Why wouldn't people want to romance one of the only two people who have the loyalty to return to your side?

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@ExtremeOne Are you sure the devs weren't going to have Tali in it ANYway?

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Oh, hey! lookit that fanservice!

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Oh, boy! More fanservice!

Hell, if we want to keep going Thane was pretty much created from the getgo to appeal to the female gamer. And Jack is pure "I CAN FIX HER!" bait.

Do we got to keep going with this?

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mrsph wrote...
Oh, boy! More fanservice!

Hell, if we want to keep going Thane was pretty much created from the getgo to appeal to the female gamer. And Jack is pure "I CAN FIX HER!" bait.

Do we got to keep going with this?


In all honesty, Garrus is the least fan servicey of them all. He's in bulky armor. They don't sex him up and no bare chests. Garrus got by entirely on the well done romance.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@ExtremeOne Are you sure the devs weren't going to have Tali in it ANYway?

  





I always knew she would be in it but I did not think she would be in the first mission and that her attitude would be so one sided  

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@mrsph Is Jacob's picture modded?

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LadyJaneGrey wrote...

@mrsph Is Jacob's picture modded?


No. That's his cuddling animation.

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mrsph wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

@mrsph Is Jacob's picture modded?


No. That's his cuddling animation.


Ha!  Love that he takes off the shirt.  :D

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I still stand by, most of the game is fan service it, in fact many of the characters were designed to be appealing to one demographic or another.

There is a whole article about Thane that states just that.

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mrsph wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

@mrsph Is Jacob's picture modded?


No. That's his cuddling animation.

Wait, so he takes it off for cuddles?!

*runs off to shove Garrus out the airlock*

Ah, Jacob.  Let's talk.

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My Shepard looks like she is in heaven.

Shepardservice. B)

Modifié par mrsph, 21 avril 2011 - 03:04 .


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mrsph wrote...

My Shepard looks like she is in heaven.

Shepardservice. B)

Your Shepard's feeling a false sense of security.

You think that pile of flesh is going to stop a bullet?

No, but I'm fairly certain Garrus' carapace can stop a small calibre bullet, like a real man.

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mrsph wrote...

*snip DAT ASS*

Oh, hey! lookit that fanservice!


Hey, that image says something highly relevant and meaningful about Miranda as a character vis-a-vis her genetically-engineered past and some other bullsh*t like that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 avril 2011 - 03:24 .


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Of course they were fanservice, but is that a bad thing? I will admit I made an excited, but manly scream of pleasure when I played the game and both Tali and Garrus were in it. 

Honestly though I loved how they wrote both Tali and Garrus in this one, romance or no. You can see how they both matured, and it was great to finally get some character development for the both of them. 

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Nashiktal wrote...

Of course they were fanservice, but is that a bad thing?


Around here, "fanservice" and "retcon" may as well be four-letter words. They are of course neither bad nor good. Only in the execution do they become so.

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ExtremeOne wrote...

How can everything in ME 2 be fan service . I mean Tali and Garrus being in the game was complete fan service . Tali fans all but cried out for her to be in it. What pissed me off was she was in the first message in the game .Tali's whole attitude in ME 2 was disgusting and annoying . 

As any producer of a product BioWare needs to give us consumers what we want. They know they can't make everyone happy so they try to make a majority willing to buy more ME games. And despite what some may think about how they do this it seems like it works. To put it short: Fanservice (especialy about Garrus and Tali) = profit. Deal with it.

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Tali's romance seemed to fit. Garrus' seemed a bit forced. I think of Garrus more as a bud, whether you're playing femShep or not. Just my opinion, though.

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Yep, I do believe that.

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Ice Cold J wrote...

Tali's romance seemed to fit. Garrus' seemed a bit forced. I think of Garrus more as a bud, whether you're playing femShep or not. Just my opinion, though.

Since Shep's the one that brings it up, it's easy to gloss over.

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Ah, yes. "Romance"

All romances are a fan service in a way. Miranda and Jacob no less - let's just give the players some real good looking subjects they can "romance". Enough breasts and abs and the rest comes on its own, and I am sure we'll find fans for breasts and abs, respectively. It doesn't really contribute to the game as is. Though I am curious which role the Virmire Survivor is going to play in future.

Modifié par Schattenkeil, 21 avril 2011 - 06:14 .