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[badrobot2]

I would rather see her face and be disappointed than delude myself into thinking she looks however I want her to.

[Lady Owl]

I agree. As silly as it may seem, the Quarians in general ARE their helmets to me. Their helmets are interesting and unique. When I look at a male quarian for example, thinking of him having a human shaped face under that seriously unique shaped helmet, almost ruins the image of them to me. I'd rather think of them how I see them.

I wont be angry if BioWare shows us her face or any quarian face but I would also accept it perfectly fine if, like the Master Chief, we never see what they look like. Just like the Volus.

Modifié par Lady Owl, 20 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[dissonance-zaon]

Bachuck wrote...

I don't agree that ignorance equates to a lack of knowledge. I've met many people who are knowledgable about a subject but remain ignorant about it in many ways. As for your statement that I imagine what Tali looks like, now that is a prime example of a lack of knowledge because I have never done so. Bioware may have a canon face for her, as I'm sure they have an extensive bio for Jacob and Miranda, but they also didn't reveal every single detail about them in the game. There's an old literature saying - if an author doesn't provide information about a character in the story, it doesn't exists. It's that simple.

As for the rest of your post...you argue that you want to see what she looks like. Fine, but if Bioware chooses not to, my argument is that you haven't been cheated out of anything just because you didn't get what you desire. Bioware doesn't have to reveal Tali's face and doesn't owe it to any of Tali's fans either. Whether you want to admit it or not, part of the characters mystic is that we don't know what she looks like. That cannot be denied.

Main Entry: ig·no·rance
Pronunciation: \\ˈig-n(ə-)rən(t)s\\Function: noun Date: 13th century : the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness

Did I really have to hand out the definition? Despite what you think, it is what it is.

You sure like to make broad assumptions of people. I'm pro-reveal, but in no way do I feel owed it and will not be destroyed by not seeing what she looks like (or any Quarian for that matter). My point in the original post you quoted says "If the opportunity comes up, show it, but they shouldn't hold back for fear of backlash and/or a running gag". To which I meant that her character shouldn't suffer forced mystery just for mystery's sake. ME2's sex/romance scene with her was a perfect situation to reveal her but BioWare chose the joke route.

There's an old literature saying - if an author doesn't provide information about a character in the story, it doesn't exists. It's that simple.

1) We do have knowledge that BioWare knows what she looks like and 2) The story is not finished.

And now we've come to the crux of the argument: Influence over the unfinished story. You're anti-reveal and I'm pro-reveal. And the way I see it, any anti-reveal argument is denying the other some kind of satisfaction. Sure you can say that about the other end too but my other point was that they have a face, so imagination should no longer be the driving force of not revealing her (and neither should be a running gag).

Anything beyond my points here is just beating a dead horse. I've stated my opinion and that's that.

Modifié par dissonance-zaon, 20 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[dissonance-zaon]

double post

Modifié par dissonance-zaon, 20 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[smudboy]

Darht Jayder wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Tali is the most wonderful, human character. Her visual mystery is one of the many things that make her attractive.

I would like some more romance talk from Shepard though.

"Your eyes are like the stars?"

We're talkin to Tali here, Captain. Charm that girl all the way to the migrant fleet, dammit.

NO....Tali is a Quarian character.   Duh.

Yes we know she is Quarian.  I am referring to her human qualities.  Specifically, her personality.  Those human qualities are what make her the most wonderful of the other characters.  If she did not have any human qualities, we wouldn't be able to understand her.

[Bachuck]

dissonance-zaon wrote...

You sure like to make broad assumptions of people. I'm pro-reveal, but in no way do I feel owed it and will not be destroyed by not seeing what she looks like (or any Quarian for that matter). My point in the original post you quoted says "If the opportunity comes up, show it, but they shouldn't hold back for fear of backlash and/or a running gag". To which I meant that her character shouldn't suffer forced mystery just for mystery's sake. ME2's sex/romance scene with her was a perfect situation to reveal her but BioWare chose the joke route.

You're not making any sense. You're arguing that Tali shouldn't have to suffer a "forced mystery" as if it was in Bioware's plan to show her face all along and they've backtracked on it somehow. You are wrong. Bioware chose not to reveal her face and that should be enough for you. If they decide to reveal it in the context of the story of ME3, then fine, but if they don't, you haven't been forced to endure some "forced mystery". The cheat you feel is only in your head, but it's not reality.

dissonance-zaon wrote...

1) We do have knowledge that BioWare knows what she looks like and 2) The story is not finished.

And now we've come to the crux of the argument: Influence over the unfinished story. You're anti-reveal and I'm pro-reveal. And the way I see it, any anti-reveal argument is denying the other some kind of satisfaction. Sure you can say that about the other end too but my other point was that they have a face, so imagination should no longer be the driving force of not revealing her (and neither should be a running gag).

Anything beyond my points here is just beating a dead horse. I've stated my opinion and that's that.

1) Just because Bioware knows what she looks like doesn't mean they ever intended for the player to know this information as well. In this situation, Bioware are the storytellers and good storytellers almost always create more material than they can use. Most becomes reference material they use in the future, even internally. Happens all the time whether it's an author, tv writer, etc. It's silly to argue that just because they gave her a face they're compelled to show it to us. That's nonsense.

2) The story is not finished, but the story is not about Tali or her face. It's about Shepard saving the universe from the Reapers. If during the context of his quest there comes a moment where Tali's face being revealed has meaning, then I'm all for it, but to reveal her face simply because people like you demand it, whether or not it serves the story, is ludicrous.

Your argument against imagination being the driving force against a reveal is also rooted in sillyness. Bioware has chosen not to reveal Tali's face and this only seems to pain the Tali fanatics. I also pursed the Tali romance but when her face wasn't revealed, I chuckled and move on. I thought it was a cute gag and nothing more. It wans't some "forced mystery" or a cheat or any other such nonsense. It was a choice and one that did not ruin my playing experience.

For those who picked Jack or Miranda, Tali's face is not even an issue. That's like Miranda fans complaining that her father was never shown even though Miranda's whole loyalty quest steams from how she views her father. Does that mean that in ME3 he needs to be shown and he and Miranda need to have an onscreen showdown? No, and to say otherwise is foolish. The same goes for Tali's face.

You want to see Tali's face and your argument is that because Bioware crafted one for her they have a responsibility to reveal it to us. You need to get a clue. No, they don't owe us anything in that regard. Tali is probably my favorite character, but I'm more concerned with Bioware tying up every loose end from ME1 that ME2 didn't deal with than I am her face.

Modifié par Bachuck, 20 février 2010 - 05:25 .

[specopstiger]

I've been waiting for a thread to post something like this. If you don't want to see her face then you probably don't wanna see this then. IMO I think this is as close to seeing her face until BioWare decides to drop the ball.



http://img85.imagesh...68346439396.jpg



(BTW, I didn't create this.)

[Bachuck]

specopstiger wrote...

I've been waiting for a thread to post something like this. If you don't want to see her face then you probably don't wanna see this then. IMO I think this is as close to seeing her face until BioWare decides to drop the ball.

http://img85.imagesh...68346439396.jpg

(BTW, I didn't create this.)

I would like if Liz Sroka's face were part of Tali's somehow, even if it weren't exact, but I won't deny how well that picture is rendered. Where did you get it?

Modifié par Bachuck, 12 mars 2010 - 07:56 .

[Lambu1]

THE END IS NIE!!!!

[The Governator]

Randy_Mac wrote...

I don't care if it's Tali or not. I just want to see what a Quarian looks like.

Yeah, that's where I am at.

[KnotEngaged]

I don't care either way really. Chances are good that the majority will be disappointed if she is actually revealed simply because its been built up so much. As long as there are no elf ears I'm fine, but god help BioWare if they give her pointy ears.

[Ray Joel Oh]

specopstiger wrote...

I've been waiting for a thread to post something like this. If you don't want to see her face then you probably don't wanna see this then. IMO I think this is as close to seeing her face until BioWare decides to drop the ball.

http://img85.imagesh...68346439396.jpg

(BTW, I didn't create this.)

First thought: She's so pretty!
Second thought: How the heck is she so danged human?

Therein lies the problem with showing her face.

[siltsonata]

Randy_Mac wrote...

I don't care if it's Tali or not. I just want to see what a Quarian looks like.

Yup.

[Ellipsisman]

I'll be okay with it either way.



The appeal of the character isn't due to her 'looks' so I find it perfectly acceptable if we never find out. Tali has the whole "it's what's on the inside that matters" thing going right now, and in that frame of mind (and as a Tali fan) I won't be distraught if they never reveal her face. That's not why I like her.



I would be pleased if she was revealed and I won't burn down Bioware for not living up to my expectations if they do reveal her face, like I said, looks don't really matter with Tali... So that's my rational.



It'd be cool to find out, but if we never find out that's fine too.

[Kwom Masbag]

Yeah, I'm also one of the ones who doesn't really want to see Tali's face, but I wouldn't mind just some quarian who wasn't Tali. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if they did show her face, however there's nothing lost if they don't.

[The Other One]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I'll admit to being curious. But I'm also a big fan of leaving things to one's imagination. So whichever route they pick I'd probably be fine with it.

Unfortunately for me, my imagination says that because of the shape of Quarian's hands and feet, under their environment suits they all look like Big-Bird.

[A_Shep91]

This has probably been mentioned, but I always
figured the perfect Quarian/Tali face reveal would be tied into the
reclaiming of Rannoch.

The Migrant Fleet enters the orbit of the world. A group of quarians land on the surface to find
the planet as pristine as they day they left it, perhaps even more so,
thanks to the preservation efforts of the geth. The quarians exit the shuttle, stunned and in awe of seeing their homeworld for the first time. One steps forward, perhaps Tali herself, accompanied by Shepard and Legion if applicable, otherwise a different geth. She stands for a moment, nods, and slowly removes her mask, complete with dramatic music and camera angles. After some intense build-up, the music reaches the crescendo, and finally, the camera dramatically turns towards her uncovered face, and there are tears in her eyes.

Either that, or she suffers a terrible wound or illness, and the only way to save her is by removing a part of her suit and helmet, with some equally dramatic and suspenseful context.

[Peranor]

Bioware did paint themself into a corner by not showing her face already in ME1. If they decide to show it in ME3 then they will have lots of people who will be disappointed for doing so, and if they do not show it in ME3 just as many people will get disappointed over that.

[A_Shep91]

As long as she has major helmet-hair.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

specopstiger wrote...

I've been waiting for a thread to post something like this. If you don't want to see her face then you probably don't wanna see this then. IMO I think this is as close to seeing her face until BioWare decides to drop the ball.

http://img85.imagesh...68346439396.jpg

(BTW, I didn't create this.)

First thought: She's so pretty!
Second thought: How the heck is she so danged human?

Therein lies the problem with showing her face.

(off topic)

I thought the same thing about Thane. He's a lizard. Why does he have human lips?

[SnakeStrike8]

I'm on the fence for this. On one side, I simply KNOW that Bioware's going to generate a firestorm of controvery if they ever do show her face. On the other side, if they don't, they'll have an equally large swarm of angry fans.



Ashley: "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."



Bioware's in a bit of trouble, I think.

[Sockwolf]

Bioware know just how rabid Tali's fanbase is, and I'm sure they're also aware that if they show her face, there's no way it'll please everyone. Best to keep it hidden and let people have their own idea of what she looks like.



However, I do want to see what -a- quarian looks like.