In my first playthrough, after completing the Broken Circle I ended up with the help of the Templars and not the mages. I can't remember exactly what dialog I followed to do it. The next few times through I used the Littany of Andralla and saved Irving, and end up with the mages at the end despite having secured a promise from Gregoir before heading in. I think the Templars kick the most butt as a support army, but I haven't said or done the right thing to get them back. What am I missing? Is it possible to have both available at the end?
Templars Instead of Mages?
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Darkkyn46
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:25
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You have to kill all the mages. I think the main trigger point is right before you fight Uldread (sp?). You have to agree with the Templar to kill them all who is protected.
Then Wynne will turn on you and make sure you do not save any mages in the final battle.
I've never sis it myself, but I have triggered the events before and just reverted back to previous saves. I do plan on doing htis in my current game sense I've never sides with the Templars.
Then Wynne will turn on you and make sure you do not save any mages in the final battle.
I've never sis it myself, but I have triggered the events before and just reverted back to previous saves. I do plan on doing htis in my current game sense I've never sides with the Templars.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:28
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When you say Wynne will turn on me, you mean fight me? Do I have to kill her too or is there still time to get her back on my side?
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:29
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Darkkyn46 wrote...
When you say Wynne will turn on me, you mean fight me? Do I have to kill her too or is there still time to get her back on my side?
You have to kill her. I don't think there is any way around it.
Edit: You can fight Wynne before the last fight or right when you meet her.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:30
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See I don't remember doing that the first time. I probably just wasn't paying close attention I guess.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:33
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It might be possible. Like I said I've never actually have done it, but I have activated her to fight in 2 different spots, but always went to a previous save to stop it from happening.
She may stay if you let Erving die. I've never tried it.
She may stay if you let Erving die. I've never tried it.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:37
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x-president wrote...
She may stay if you let Erving die. I've never tried it.
I want to say that's what I did the first time, but even when I don't use the Littany he lives. That's what's confusing me.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:51
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Afaik its not possible since decision is made at very last dialog when u return with Irwing after defeating Uldred.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 12:25
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If you save the mages and tell Greagoir that he should still disolve the Circle you will get the Templars and I think Wynne will stay.
Or, if you don't care about RPing, you can switch Wynne out of your party in the room with Niall's corpse, kill the mages and keep her.
Or, if you don't care about RPing, you can switch Wynne out of your party in the room with Niall's corpse, kill the mages and keep her.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 12:48
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As DJ said, you do NOT have to kill all the mages in the Uldred fight to get the Templars. All you need to do is tell Gregoir that the mages are probably malificarum.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:08
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You can tell everyone you're saving the mages then let Irving die during the Uldred fight. Wynne has no grief with you since you tried but since Irving is dead, the Templars still do the right of annulment. You keep Wynne and gain the Templars for the final battle. I did this.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:10
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I also got the templars after I took too long to kill Uldred (accidentally - I wanted to save the mages). Uldred keeps zapping the mages in the room, and if he works his way down to Irving, then Irving will be unable to save the Circle. Since I used the litany of adralla, Wynne didn't turn on me.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 05:53
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CrillanK wrote...
You can tell everyone you're saving the mages then let Irving die during the Uldred fight. Wynne has no grief with you since you tried but since Irving is dead, the Templars still do the right of annulment. You keep Wynne and gain the Templars for the final battle. I did this.
Maybe I'm dropping Uldred too fast? I see him attacking Irving but I guess he doesn't finish him off.
I've tried not using the Littany, but Irving still lives. Doesn't using it kind of guarantee he lives?Atranes wrote...
I also got the templars after I took too
long to kill Uldred (accidentally - I wanted to save the mages). Uldred
keeps zapping the mages in the room, and if he works his way down to
Irving, then Irving will be unable to save the Circle. Since I used the
litany of adralla, Wynne didn't turn on me.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 07:35
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Using the litany correctly will prevent Irving's death, because Uldred burns through the other mages first. IIRC, all that matters is that you side with the angry templar after the fight and tell Gregoir that there may be blood mages. Irving doesn't need to die. But, if you want to make sure he dies, let Uldred burn through the other mages and then Irving before you kill him. Keeping Wynne is easy, all you have to do is say you'll try to save the mages before the fight. As long you try, Wynne will stay, and you will still have the option to side with the templars after the fight.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 07:54
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Hm, my tranquil Emissary at camp says that I have the support of both, mages and templars. Why is that?
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 07:57
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klarabella wrote...
Hm, my tranquil Emissary at camp say that I have the support of both, mages and templars. Why is that?
When you get to the end see if the Templars are an option for you to call for backup. If they are, TELL ME HOW YOU DID IT!!!
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 08:02
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My first time in the tower I did it by accident. I didn't know how to use the Litany and kept misfiring. Once all the mages were turned there was no one left to be in the Circle so I got the templars by accident. I didn't even realize what had happened till I encountered Connor and didn't have the option of using the Circle to save him.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 08:10
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sylvanaerie wrote...
My first time in the tower I did it by accident. I didn't know how to use the Litany and kept misfiring. Once all the mages were turned there was no one left to be in the Circle so I got the templars by accident. I didn't even realize what had happened till I encountered Connor and didn't have the option of using the Circle to save him.
Since you didn't have the option to save him (through no fault or decision of your own) what did you do? Kill Connor or allow Jowan to perform the ritual? I ask because I want to know if Allistair is still a whiny little b!tch afterwards. For a guy who never steps up to make a decision he sure has lots of after-the-fact opinions. I keep looking for the "Hey you're the one who seems content to let me lead so why don't you just enjoy a cup of STFU and let me do that!" dialog, but it never appears.
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Posté 18 février 2010 - 08:22
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klarabella wrote...
Hm, my tranquil Emissary at camp says that I have the support of both, mages and templars. Why is that?
He says that regardless.
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 02:34
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Yeah, there's a couple ways to reach either solution. For example, last time I agreed to kill the mages, but saved Irving, and then sent them all to Denerim to make sure they weren't Blood Mages and added the Templars to my army instead.
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 02:44
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I still don't know how I saved the mages..
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 04:28
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If you kill Uldred quickly before he can turn the mages into abominations Irving will live even if you do not use the litany. If Uldred turns Irving then the circle is lost and you have carried out the Right of Annulment. Cullen will verify your actions.
If you use the litany correctly Irving will live, you can still claim that the mages remaining may have been taken over and are harboring demons inside. If you carry out the Right or accuse the mages you get the templars.
If you use the litany correctly Irving will live, you can still claim that the mages remaining may have been taken over and are harboring demons inside. If you carry out the Right or accuse the mages you get the templars.
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 06:29
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Realmzmaster wrote...
If you kill Uldred quickly before he can turn the mages into abominations Irving will live even if you do not use the litany. If Uldred turns Irving then the circle is lost and you have carried out the Right of Annulment. Cullen will verify your actions.
If you use the litany correctly Irving will live, you can still claim that the mages remaining may have been taken over and are harboring demons inside. If you carry out the Right or accuse the mages you get the templars.
In the beginning when Wynne asks if Gregoir thinks the Circle is lost, can you just agree with her (I forget the dialog choices) and not lose any faction with her? Just trying to have my cake and eat it too.
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 07:21
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Until you actually recruit her, you can tell her whatevr you want. Her reputation is unaffected by anything you say until you end that conversation.
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Posté 19 février 2010 - 08:16
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Indeed. I've always interpreted that as "there are Templars there, but there are less of them, and there doesn't happen to be a Templar squad nearby in the final battle."JosieJ wrote...
klarabella wrote...
Hm, my tranquil Emissary at camp says that I have the support of both, mages and templars. Why is that?
He says that regardless.
