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[Tisiphne]

Sorry to bring up dramatic plot holes, I really am, but the reason that Thane and the Drell are suffering from Kepral's Syndrome is that they live in a humid climate and moist affects their lungs.

Why can't they just pull a Quarians and wear environment suits and masks?

Any ideas? This just bugs me...

[CROAT_56]

they like showing there faces, i really think that we will never know that one

[Kordras]

Perhaps it's something that developed before they realized what had happened, and now that they know about it, it's too late. Not really sure, but this is how I explain it.

Modifié par Kordras, 18 février 2010 - 08:46 .

[MaaZeus]

Kordras wrote...

Perhaps it's something that developed before they realized what had happened, and now that they know about it, it's too late. Not really sure, but this is how I explain it.

I think this is about right.

Drells do live in colonies on hanar homeworld that are more drier than outside. Only the Drell who have an habbit on constantly being outside (work related, like in case of Thane) develop this syndrome. Hanar are trying to find a cure, but its too late for Thane I fear.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Thane is an assassin, so he didn't stay in the air-conditioned domes that keep his people safe.

[MaaZeus]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Thane is an assassin, so he didn't stay in the air-conditioned domes that keep his people safe.

Thats what I meant. Not every Drell is affected, only those who are outside a lot.

[SimonTheFrog]

Sorry for necroing but this thread is as good as what i would have created.



I think that BioWare should clear this one up. It's really weird that Thane never talks about breathers. Maybe it's too late for him, but it's such an easy solution for the problem that it should at least be mentioned that nowadays Drell just use the breathers. For example his son should wear one before it's too late.



Otherwise it feels like extremely sloppy writing

[Louis_Cypher]

Even if the leading cause of death is Kepral's syndrome, we don't know how much it actually impacts their lifespan, and hence how much breathers/environment suits would help. It's not like quarians where they get sick immediately outside their suit.

Thane is 40, and drell life expectancy is only 85 (compared with 150 for humans with medical technology). So, if Thane has a particularly bad case, it's entirely possible it's primarily an end of life issue, like heart disease in humans.

As Tali points out, wearing environment suits in daily life is huge burden. Think about how many people smoke, eat unhealthily, or fail to exercise sufficiently, despite the prevalence of heart disease, etc. Maintaining a healthy lifestyle is a much smaller burden than regular use of an environment suit, and yet many, many people fail to do that.

Modifié par Louis_Cypher, 07 novembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[SimonTheFrog]

It wouldn't need to be an enviro-suit. Just a small mask that filters the moisture. Many people wear masks everytime they go out because of smog. I think that's much less a burden than dying of suffocation way before one's time. And 40 is really friggin' early, even if its a bad case like you phrased it.

Sorry, but i'm not convinced at all.

[AdmiralCheez]

Easy answer: It's more dramatic if he's dying. Please ignore the plothole because we want you to sympathize with this character.

[Count Viceroy]

I facepalmed the second I heard he was dying. Such a dull "twist"

[Moiaussi]

And you can't even ask Mordin about it. One would think that someone who helped cure and modify the genophage would have at least some useful opinions on this. Even if he gave a technobabble explaination why it is different he should have at least been able to provide knowledge in the area.

[SimonTheFrog]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Easy answer: It's more dramatic if he's dying. Please ignore the plothole because we want you to sympathize with this character.

Aye. I understand the dramatic effect, but there are millions of things that could be made up as a reason for this particular Drell to be terminally ill. Why use something that seems both common knowledge and can be avoided with such laughably easy methods. 

Thats what i meant by sloppy writing. 

Unless i miss something...

P.S. BioWare dug itself a hole with it's general superb writing and lore. In other games logical nonsense is so common and all over the place sometimes that players are forced to shrug and switch off anything but their cerebellum. So, nitpicking about it sort of thing is actually praise... if you see what i mean  Still, it's annoying when a more clever solution seems to be so close and yet it hasn't been used. 

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 07 novembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Lluthren]

I understand people getting kepral's in humid enviroments, things like that happen.

But a cure for kepral's just seems so simple. Could be, maybe... a lung transplant?
If people are able to grow organs inside some one, they should be able to grow lungs, just saying.
It affects lungs, so it should help.

[PsiFive]

Lluthren wrote...

But a cure for kepral's just seems so simple. Could be, maybe... a lung transplant?

It's strongly suggested in game that transplant is a possible treatment if you look at the dossiers in the Shadow Broker's ship. You'll also find that Thane doesn't want one for reasons left unsaid. My guess is either religious reasons or because the disease is affecting other major organs, or maybe because the realtive rarity of his species in Council and Terminus space makes the odds of a match very remote and he's accepted his death. Maybe a combination of all of them.

The Shadow Broker's Dossiers say... 

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell

Modifié par PsiFive, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:16 .

[coldwetn0se]

PsiFive wrote...

Lluthren wrote...

But a cure for kepral's just seems so simple. Could be, maybe... a lung transplant?

It's strongly suggested in game that transplant is a possible treatment if you look at the dossiers in the Shadow Broker's ship. You'll also find that Thane doesn't want one for reasons left unsaid. My guess is either religious reasons or because the disease is affecting other major organs, or maybe because the realtive rarity of his species in Council and Terminus space makes the odds of a match very remote and he's accepted his death. Maybe a combination of all of them.

The Shadow Broker's Dossiers say... 

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell

What makes this even more frustrating, is if you romance him, he expresses his fear of death, now that he has reasons to wish to live.  His son is back in his life, he continues to do good deeds, and he falls for Shepard (if you romance him, there is a letter in the LotSB dossier for Shepard professing his love and desire to stand by her side till his last breath.....later was haphazardly recycled come me3....bah!)  There is also a device that you can learn about through the CNN, called the Eupolmous Device. 

"A new technology is helping victims of the Vallum Blast breathe easier - literally. Researchers at U. Thierax are attacking the myriad of respiratory diseases caused by inhaling dust around the blast site. Dubbed "medi-gel for the lungs," the Eupulmos Device analyzes a patient's tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient's genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient's nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue and has a color-coded nozzle at each end with separate agent reservoirs for dextro and levo patients. Said one ER staffer, "The effect is incredible. In a year, the whole galaxy will be using these things. "

That plus breathers, plus lung transplant, plus the fact that the Hanar ARE working on a way to genetically adapt the drell....AND you have a great scientific mind on board your ship (Mordin)......sigh.  In the now defunct forum section of me3 (Character Forum) there was a thread that had one doctor, one bio-chemist (a fellow Thanemancer) and a graduate student in Biology who came up with different ideas regarding Kepral's (both from a story standpoint - how/why it existed - and from a curing/stabilizing/life extending possibilities, to out and out cessation of the causes of Kepral's.

But it is, what it is.....and the drell species is doomed.  Perhaps that is why if you DON'T import a save from ME2 that has Thane alive in it, you NEVER see a drell in me3.  Doomed.

[PsiFive]

Yeah, I think it's hinted at fairly strongly that there's a probable cure in the works via Hanar genetic alteration, but Thane's pretty clear that if it happens it'll be too late for him. Poor Thane.... which I'm sure is what we're all supposed to feel.

[coldwetn0se]

Chris L'Etoile supposedly stated (I don't have the link, though I am sure if I did enough digging I could find it) that even he was unsure where Thane would go as a character (healthwise). Call the Hanar hint "Chekov's gun" or the lung transplant....things left to be used should they wish. Problem came when they decided not to concern themselves with the drell as a whole race (in me3), so easier to let Thane die. Pity too, since their relationship with the Hanar makes them that much more interesting (what you learn about them, you can learn about the Hanar....for example).

We care about these races through the companions that we keep throughout the series (example: Tali and the plight of the Quarian's, Legion with the Geth, and Wrex with the genophage). An opportunity was there to have a branching storyline that could have affected the drell race and their host race, the Hanar. Especially since Kepral's was never a "Thane" disease, but a "drell" disease. What ever helps Thane, by extention helps the drell and the Hanar, to a degree. But, they chose not to. For someone who really didn't care (or couldn't give two figs, if more strongly expressed), this made no matter. For someone who took to that character and his race and host race, this seemed like missed opportunity. Instead, Thane was used as cannon fodder to introduce a so-called villain in me3. No character growth (in fact, they reduced him to the character he was when you first met him), and dead by a third of the way through the game.

Ah well. This is one of the many reasons I choose to play ME1 and ME2, and ignore the final game.....pity.

[PsiFive]

ME2 made it sound like he had not a lot of time left anyway so it's a stretch having him in ME3 at all. A miraculous arse pull to keep Thane alive would have made ME3 truly ridiculous for me. He's a good doomed hero character with the added interest that his past is anything but heroic. Yeah, I'd kind of liked him to have lived but I think he's probably a better character because he's terminally ill. Bit like Mordin, time's running out and things need to be made right, though of course Mordin was just getting old for a salarian.

Agree it would have been nice to have something that said Kepral's Syndrome was now treatable. Story wise I think that it would have been best if it came too late for Thane as Chakwas' report says he's already in failing health. But maybe a nice twist would have been for Kolyat to turn out to be in the very earliest stages of Kepral's, or perhaps more realistically genetically predisposed to developing it within x years. And then the Kepral cure could save someone we've met in game.

Ah, lost opportunities of Mass Effect. Never mind, husks, marauders, cannibals, Cerberus and more Cerberus, blamblamblam.

[ZombieGambit]

Why don't we give miners hazmat suits too? They're expensive and unnecessary if you take the proper precautions. Not every drell suffers from Kepral's Syndrome, it's just fairly common, like heart disease nowadays.

EDIT: lol, for some reason I thought I was in the ME3 sections. Woops.

Modifié par ZombieGambit, 04 janvier 2013 - 10:42 .

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

PsiFive wrote...
Ah, lost opportunities of Mass Effect. Never mind, husks, marauders, cannibals, Cerberus and more Cerberus, blamblamblam.

coldwetn0se wrote...
Ah well. This is one of the many reasons I choose to play ME1 and ME2, and ignore the final game.....pity.

I love these humans. They understand.

Coldwetn0se - can you perhaps find the link to the thread you mentioned, with biologists discussing the disease? It is... intriguing. Also, where is that glorious piece of news about "medi-gel for the lungs" from? Cerberus Daily News?

EDIT: Another thing - what is that nonsense with the Character Forum in that other section of the board being shut down? Is that even for real? What's the reason behind it?

Modifié par Staff Lt Alenko, 04 janvier 2013 - 01:24 .

[PsiFive]

Think a few people over there got their M451 Firestorms out.