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[Saren100]

Ok so I just had a thought about the collecters.

The collecters are genetically modified protheans presumably many many generations have passed since they were actual protheans but my thought was. Did the reapers leave behind a group of indoctrinated protheans behind the omega 4 relay or did a group of protheans retreat behind the relay and eventually the reapers got to them.

The station itself does not seem to be reaper technology it in no way looks like any reaper construct we have seen to this point this is also to be said that the ship we see which is used by the collecters and is eventually destroyed by the normandy is not a reaper construct which also begs the question why didnt the reapers just leave behind one of their own to be used or found by the collecters like soveriegn because the reapers didnt have the ability to see into the future and know that a race of synthetics would be their.

Its just odd where the collecters the back up plan incase sovereign failed? If the reapers already had a well developed advanced indoctrinated race under their control why not just use them why rely on geth or use the geth and collecters in coalition to attack the citadel?(Yes I know that the geth who followed saren were the heratics) The collecters seem more advanced then the geth why wouldnt sovereign have even mentioned it to saren that their was a race of organics that could aid his crusade to bring back the reapers instead of the geth.?

All good questions I think so any thoughts on those?

Also presumably based on the final cutscene all the reapers are made of the same materials and their technology is mainly based around these materials and designs. But what is that brown stuff all over the collecter vessel? what is its purpose or is it all just for show? Another question is the bug like nature of the collecters because the original protheans we are led to beleive are almost humanlike ( A theory of mine is that humans are protheons) and this is supported by their simialer genetic structure aswell as the story in me1 of protheans observing early humans etc.) But why would the reapers have chosen that bug like structure to change the collecters into which leads to another question are the collecters indoctrinated? Because we are led to beleive all beings indoctrinated by the reapers become withered husks of their former selves so the collecters would not be able to operate for 1000s of years without a reaper controlling them.

Which then leads to yet another question if the collecters are not indoctrinated what is keeping them tied to the reapers?

Also I may be pushing it but why is the human reaper the only reaper that doesnt have the basic squid like design unless every race used to make reapers was squid like it doesnt make sence for most of them to be squid like. If the protheans were human like then why are their no other somewhat human like reapers.?


So thoughts on any of these questions?

Modifié par Saren100, 18 février 2010 - 09:33 .

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

tl;dr

[Saren100]

? I dont know what that means.

[Tahleron1]

Harbinger seems to be the reaper who does assimilating, so it would be my guess that the collectors were what he came up with after he figured out they couldn't be turned intor eapers.



Each Reaper is independent, Sovereign does his thing, Harbinger does his, the collectors werent designed for a front on conflict so it wouldn't have been much use to Sovereign (and that's if Harbinger even cared to help him).



Protheans have a unique quad strain DNA sequence, they can't possibly be the ancestors of anyone, and the collectors aren't indoctrinated, at least not anymore, they're little more than husks.

[fusilero1]

Harbringer and Sovereign are competing to see who can get the Reapers back into the Galaxy first. It's like one big game between them.

[Ramikadyc]

Saren100 wrote...

Ok so I just had a thought about the collecters.

The collecters are genetically modified protheans presumably many many generations have passed since they were actual protheans but my thought was. Did the reapers leave behind a group of indoctrinated protheans behind the omega 4 relay or did a group of protheans retreat behind the relay and eventually the reapers got to them.

The station itself does not seem to be reaper technology it in no way looks like any reaper construct we have seen to this point this is also to be said that the ship we see which is used by the collecters and is eventually destroyed by the normandy is not a reaper construct which also begs the question why didnt the reapers just leave behind one of their own to be used or found by the collecters like soveriegn because the reapers didnt have the ability to see into the future and know that a race of synthetics would be their.

Its just odd where the collecters the back up plan incase sovereign failed? If the reapers already had a well developed advanced indoctrinated race under their control why not just use them why rely on geth or use the geth and collecters in coalition to attack the citadel?(Yes I know that the geth who followed saren were the heratics) The collecters seem more advanced then the geth why wouldnt sovereign have even mentioned it to saren that their was a race of organics that could aid his crusade to bring back the reapers instead of the geth.?

All good questions I think so any thoughts on those?

Also presumably based on the final cutscene all the reapers are made of the same materials and their technology is mainly based around these materials and designs. But what is that brown stuff all over the collecter vessel? what is its purpose or is it all just for show? Another question is the bug like nature of the collecters because the original protheans we are led to beleive are almost humanlike ( A theory of mine is that humans are protheons) and this is supported by their simialer genetic structure aswell as the story in me1 of protheans observing early humans etc.) But why would the reapers have chosen that bug like structure to change the collecters into which leads to another question are the collecters indoctrinated? Because we are led to beleive all beings indoctrinated by the reapers become withered husks of their former selves so the collecters would not be able to operate for 1000s of years without a reaper controlling them.

Which then leads to yet another question if the collecters are not indoctrinated what is keeping them tied to the reapers?

Also I may be pushing it but why is the human reaper the only reaper that doesnt have the basic squid like design unless every race used to make reapers was squid like it doesnt make sence for most of them to be squid like. If the protheans were human like then why are their no other somewhat human like reapers.?


So thoughts on any of these questions?

I think you first question is a good one. With the information the game gives us we can only speculate as to why the Collectors exist. In ME1 Vigil tells you that, after the Reapers launch their attack on the Protheans, many of the Protheans are indoctrinated and sent out as sleeper agents of the Reapers to weed out any hidden resistance of Prothean society that the Reapers may have missed. I believe that some of them may have been used in the genetic construction of the Collectors; remember that, as EDI tells us, the Collectors are descended from Prothean genetic code, but they have been so extensively modified as to no longer have much semblence of their former selves, meaning they could be totally different in looks and stuff.
The way I understood the situation from ME1, the Protheans were the first to race to put up more than just token resistance against the Reaper genocide. Having seen what Protheans were capable of, I believe that the Reapers took the intiative to add one more fail-safe to their arsenal, and that fail-safe was the Collectors--that they created them and set them up in a part of the galaxy inaccessible by others. The Collectors' purpose, in my opinion, was to act as front-line lieutenants/agents for the Reapers who had access to the rest of galactic society (albeit one that existed in legends for most people), to help the Reapers further study galactic life (as evidenced by their constant transactions with other races for unique individuals), and to make sure the galaxy continues to develop along the path the Reapers intend (by leaking advanced technology as payment for the transactions, and it being adapted to conventional use, similar to the mass relays).
After Saren and Sovereign failed, the Reapers then turned to their next option: the Collectors. And that's where Mass Effect 2 starts.

For your other questions, the devs have said that the bug-like theme for the Collectors was inspired by real-life ant colonies from Australia, so most of it is probably for show. I doubt the Protheans were human, because that theory sounds too much like the Halo-universe theory of Forerunners being human, and it just doesn't seem to fit, regardless (though I could be proven wrong). As for whether or not the Collectors are indoctrinated, as pertaining to their appearance, as I mentioned above EDI said that they were extensively modified and no longer resemble their former selves. Their appearance was probably just selected for story and artistic purposes. The modification to the Collectors installed tons of cybernetics, removed most organic pieces from them in favor for machines, and these machines are controlled by the Collector General, who is in turn being influenced by Harbinger.

That's what I think.

[Chuvvy]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

tl;dr

[Faceman2006]

Saren100 wrote...

Which then leads to yet another question if the collecters are not indoctrinated what is keeping them tied to the reapers?

Also I may be pushing it but why is the human reaper the only reaper that doesnt have the basic squid like design unless every race used to make reapers was squid like it doesnt make sence for most of them to be squid like. If the protheans were human like then why are their no other somewhat human like reapers.?


So thoughts on any of these questions?

The Collectors, as suggested by both EDI and Mordin, are essentially genetic constructs created by reaper technology manipulating Prothean DNA - essentially they may as well be robots - they aren't indoctinated as that would suggest manipulating sentient free will which they do not appear to have (except perhaps for the collector General). The end game sequence shows that the Collector General was controlled by Harbinger directly, although we do not know for how long. Even if Harbinger released control every so often, I think it's safe to assume the Collectors knew who their masters were - they were slaves to the Reapers, and the Reapers were able to 'assume direct control' whenever they wanted.

As for the appearance, it's been said many times before - the Squid-like appearance of the Reaper ships is not the Reaper itself but an external casing - within each Squid are the individual reapers, who will have been created from different races. If you think about it, the human reaper you fight at the end, even if fully completed would still be tiny compared to the size of Sovereign in the cutscenes in ME1. If completed it's safe to assume that human reaper would have been given its own squid case to fly about in.

[tsd16]

I dont think the collectors were a backup plan. I think they acted more as information gatherers for the reapers. considering one ship and a special forces team was able to wipe them off the face of the galaxy I dont really think they had anywhere near what it took to deal a blow on the scale of the geth could with sovereign.



Even then, the collectors were just raiding, and had no intention of a full scale invasion, their goal was to build that reaper. Then I believe whatever backup plan the reapers had at that point would have been put into effect.



Essentially I dont think the reapers had any preset backup plan, at any point, they were all reactionary. Their original plan had worked for millions of years (leave a reaper behind, his ass wakes up monitors the situation, sends signal to keepers, keepers open relay, reapers pwn galaxy), The Reapers seem pretty full of themselves so Im pretty sure they had never anticipated this. Because remember the protheans jacked with the keepers, making them not listen to the Reaper signals. Otherwise mass effect would have never happened to begin with.



Saren, Collectors, Sovereign attacking the council/alliance fleet would have been an Epic fail. Again, there was only one at max 2 collector ships (counting the disabled one unless that was the same one).



So you have Saren Geth hitting inside the citadel, with An entire geth fleet and sovereign hitting it from the outside or Saren and collectors in the citadel and Sovereign and 2 ships vs the alliance/citadel fleets.



So Saren and the Geth were the first reactionary backup plan, and the arguably the Human reaper, not the collectors, were their second reactionary backup plan. There was probably more to their plan once the reaper was finished, but since we stopped them perhaps we will never know what it was, I mean the geth werent an option again as they are embroiled in a civil war and the collectors arent strong enough to be as serious a threat as the geth were.

[Ramikadyc]

@tsd16

To clarify what I mean by "back-up plan," think along the lines of the U.S. President and Vice-President: when the President dies, the Vice-President takes his place, but that doesn't mean the Vice-President is sitting around waiting and doing nothing in the mean time--he has a job to do and a role to fill. Similarly, the Collectors do their own thing (information gathering and Reaper dirty work, etc) but are capable and prepared to fulfill whatever role.



In short, I think we're sorta on the same page about that issue.

[Skyblade012]

You seem to be forgetting that the station was probably not constructed by or for the Protheans. Remember, when you first arrive through the Omega 4 relay, you see a graveyard of thousands of ships, some of which look ancient. There is also a slight pause and emphasis on ancient. But, put simply, the most recent spacefaring race that could be described as ancient was the Protheans. If the station was built for them, why would the Omega 4 relay existed before they showed up? No, the relay, and likely the station, existed far before the Protheans, and ships from races lost to the cycle of destruction millions of years ago are what make up the twisting, broken debris field around the station. Perhaps even more have been claimed by the black holes already.