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[Gagoff]

Anyone else? After meeting Legion and getting to know more about the Geth, I dislike the Quarians even more.

They build AI, try to control it, it rebels and suddenly the Geth are the bad guys? That's the feel I got from the Quarians, whilst the Geth (non-heretics, of course) seem to want nothing to do with them, really.

At some point I think Legion says something about moving closer to our space, and organics can do what they want, but they don't seem to be looking for trouble.
I personally feel Tali is getting a bit too much love as well, but to each his own I suppose.

Anyway. Next playthrough, if I don't have enough Paragon/Renegade to solve the conflict, I'm taking the side of Legion when Tali starts waving her gun around in the AI Core

[Alanosborn1991]

If you want a dead Tali and fighting the quarians to just have the geth on your side go for it dude.



Its your game and its the story you make of it.

[NoUserNameHere]

I'm rooting for Shepard in the Geth and Quarian conflict.

He'll get them working together. Then they can go help him squash the Reapers.

[masterjedirobyn]

completely agree. Legion even says the geth are restoring the quarian homeworld, taking care of it. I thought I understood quarian point of view when I thought all geth are like heretics, but now they seem like they are immature children compared to the geth

[rayvioletta]

after 300 years of war I don't think the important thing anymore is who started it, but how it'll end. either one side or the other will wipe the other out or they'll compromise over a middle ground. ideally the Citadel Council should step in and mediate a peaceful resolution much like they did during the First Contact War, but there's no way that would happen now the Heretic Geth have biased the whole galaxy against Geth

[Cutlass Jack]

Because yeah, the current Quarians are exactly the same ones who 'wronged' the Geth. You'll show them.

[Gavinthelocust]

If I have already gotten rid of or reprogrammed the 'heretics' and worked out the Tali/Legion fight then shouldn't I be able to go up to the admirals and inform them about it, maybe giving a speech/punching the nearest person to stop the conflict. Only in ME3........

[Alamar2078]

IIRC in ME1 the geth were never designed to be AIs per se. IIRC they were designed as communal VIs [for lack of a better word]. Because of the networking and such they just happenned to get smart. The Quarians then panicked and tried to hit the off switch but it was too late.



Being emotional organic beings the Quarians then held a famous 300 year old grudge that lasts to this day.



Honestly though the fact that the Heretics are not 99.9% of all Geth though are surprising as I feel they have a right to not like organics in general.



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I would hope for some sort of managed truce even if I need to [during events of ME3] lose Tali for the rest of the game to make her an Admiral so there is enough sway on the Admiralty board [and maybe their elected body also] to chart a path of compromise. As long as I get a REALLY THOROUGH epilogue and a "smurfy" LI ending I would be perfectly fine with that.



Note: I don't want the decision made for me. I want to be able to control the destiny of my potential / former teammates!!! [How much better would it have been to have helped Wrex become Clan chief / help get Kaiden his promotion / etc.? .... heck all this could have been done before the "blow up the Normandy" if need be]

[Bartlebyfinch]

More than likely, this issue is going to figure prominently in ME3. Shepard runs around the galaxy trying to recruit various races to join the battle against the Reapers. Can he get the Geth & the Quarians to works together? Or will he have to side with one over the other? I would count on Admiral Xen being a big player in ME3.



Purely speculation of course, but it seems reasonable to me.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I'm staying neutral in that mess. It's best if both races stop fighting and start working together. The Galaxy doesn't need another war with the Reapers already coming.

[Torhagen]

As i promised Tali and hopefully with Legions help i will get them to sign a ceasefire or even a peace treaty the quarian will live on the planet and the geth aboard their spacestations

[marshalleck]

I don't know why, when the Reapers are presenting an existential threat to all advanced life in the galaxy, anyone would favor provoking a war between the galactic inhabitants.

[StreetlightEagle]

I'm going to eradicate the Quarian's if I get the chance in ME3...cos my shepard is badass AND a geth apologist.

[Djehutynakht]

Keep in mind that the default assumption in the Mass Effect universe is that any AI will necessarily rebel against and try to destroy organic intelligence. When their servants woke up and unexpectedly attained sentience, the quarians were understandably frightened. They were vastly outnumbered by these newly aware synthetic entities, after all. Frightened people do not always pursue the most calm and rational course of action. And while the geth reacted out of a need for self-preservation, that also does not always lead to calm and rational behavior.



In short, both sides overreacted, and neither side has done anything to correct the problem in the interim. So they're both to blame, but one can understand why they acted as they did. It doesn't require much in the way of oracular talent to predict that Shepard will have the option of healing the breach and getting the two races to work together in ME3.

[Aradace]

Gagoff wrote...

Anyone else? After meeting Legion and getting to know more about the Geth, I dislike the Quarians even more.

They build AI, try to control it, it rebels and suddenly the Geth are the bad guys? That's the feel I got from the Quarians, whilst the Geth (non-heretics, of course) seem to want nothing to do with them, really.

At some point I think Legion says something about moving closer to our space, and organics can do what they want, but they don't seem to be looking for trouble.
I personally feel Tali is getting a bit too much love as well, but to each his own I suppose.

Anyway. Next playthrough, if I don't have enough Paragon/Renegade to solve the conflict, I'm taking the side of Legion when Tali starts waving her gun around in the AI Core

After knowing what I know now about the Geth...And if I absolutely HAD to choose one side or the other, I would have to side with the Geth...When you think about it, the Quarians started the whole mess between the two.  Seriously, what did the Quarians expect when they created a sentient AI race?  They simply wanted to live their own lives away from their Quarian creators....But noooooooooooooooooooooooooo...The Quarians had to be all upity about it and in turn, started a war.  I dont care who "technically" started the conflict, its the Quarians fault by default for trying to use the Geth as "slaves"

[Jalem001]

I'd of tried to destroy sentient non-organic life too. I've seen movies, I know what happens when machines start thinking for themselves.

[Evil ZeR0]

i personally hope they can co-exist especially when the events that take place with legion maybe let the quarians have their world back some how i think with some of the admirals in the fleet that could only go so far before more problems.



but i hope they work something out peacefully.

[eternalnightmare13]

Gagoff wrote...

Anyone else? After meeting Legion and getting to know more about the Geth, I dislike the Quarians even more.

They build AI, try to control it, it rebels and suddenly the Geth are the bad guys? That's the feel I got from the Quarians, whilst the Geth (non-heretics, of course) seem to want nothing to do with them, really.

At some point I think Legion says something about moving closer to our space, and organics can do what they want, but they don't seem to be looking for trouble.
I personally feel Tali is getting a bit too much love as well, but to each his own I suppose.

Anyway. Next playthrough, if I don't have enough Paragon/Renegade to solve the conflict, I'm taking the side of Legion when Tali starts waving her gun around in the AI Core

I totally agree with you.  Back in ME1 you can talk to Tali about the whole Geth issue and I got the impression that the Quarians were in the wrong. The Quarians had to keep pushing the limits of AI and 'labor slaves'.  They knew the potential danger of doing this but were either too arrogant or ignorant to stop doing it.  

  I'm supporting the Geth in the conflict if given the chance.  I supported Legion during Tali's conflict with him.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 18 février 2010 - 05:44 .

[Big Yam]

My Shepard will exterminate the Geth.  Then he will exterminate the Quarians.  There can never be enough levels in this game.

[InHarmsWay]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I'm rooting for Shepard in the Geth and Quarian conflict.
He'll get them working together. Then they can go help him squash the Reapers.

Seconded. I'm hoping to broker a peace in the Quarian/geth conflict. It is highly suggested in ME2 that it is possible:

-Koris, and what seems to be half of the Quarians, favour peace
-Legion is open to peace with the Quarians
-Geth don't even live on the Quarian worlds
-Geth feel regret over what they did (when Legion flatly stated that they went too far)
-Legion/Tali conflict appears to be a foreshadowing

[Gagoff]

Yes, of course the best resolution to the problem would be to have them work together against the reaper, and then form some sort of peace treaty.

But if that can't happen, I'd side with the Geth because the Quarians are ignorant and brought it on themselves (Assuming the Geth aren't the aggressors, which I find hard to believe).



And as to what happens in movies when non-organic life becomes sentient... well, the Geth seem to be, and they're not all crazy killers.

[gotthammer]

I rewrote the Heretic Geth...so that if an option were made available, I'd hand 'em all over to Admiral Xen (who, I hope, will give me a Geth Army, even if it's a small one )

[Shizly]

Did you listen the record that Legion had? That make's you dislike quarians. I though it was really sad .

Geth:  "Does this units have a soul?"
Quar:  "Wo thought you that word?"
Geth:  "We learn it ourselfs"
Quar: "Only quarians have souls. You are a mechanism."

Modifié par Shizly, 18 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[Haasth]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I'm rooting for Shepard in the Geth and Quarian conflict.
He'll get them working together. Then they can go help him squash the Reapers.

This.
I'm partly siding with the Geth, and partly with the Quarians. Depending on how the scenario turns out.. Of course I do not want to upset Tali so... But I can completely understand that the Geth are hostile to the Quarians. On the other hand I am of opinion that the Geth should give them their home planet back as they can easily go somewhere else. For the Quarians this would be much more difficult. 

[General Balls]

I think the point here is that the Quarians didn't create an AI. They created a VI program that could adapt to a certain extent to do it's job better. It was never intended for those programs to network with each other to the point that the vast collective would effectively reach sapience, and it was a horrid surprise to the Quarians when they eventually did.

The Quarians knew that, as soon as the platforms were sapient beings as opposed to task-orientated VI, what they were getting those platforms to do was, essentially, slavery. They knew that the logical and emotional response of all sapient beings when treated unfairly like this was to fight back. They also knew that, should they not act quickly on the situation, the Council Races would strip them of their embassy on the Citadel and cast them out. AI was, and still is, one of the most touchy subjects to organic life, and the political ramifications would have been disastrous.

This all led to the decision to shut down all Geth, accelerating the start of the inevitable war, and leading to the defeat and exile of all Quarians as they didn't have any factories to mass-produce themselves. The disaster with the AI led them to be stripped of an Embassy on the Citadel, and Quarians have been stigmatised ever since in their constant struggle for survival.