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[Vuokseniska]

well alot of people don't see DLC content as just a reason to have awesome loot. Wardens keep was interesting and Rto had some cool backstory to the game and they made it basically to take revenge on callian.



So no DLC is not just for loot

[Demx]

Out of 118 people

Did you purchase any DLC for Origins? How do you feel about it (items) not carrying over to Awakening?

Yes, and I don't like it
58%(68 votes)

Yes, and I don't really care
24%(28 votes)

No, but I don't like what happened
10%(12 votes)

No, and I don't really care
8%(10 votes)

Sig has the poll.

Modifié par Siradix, 19 février 2010 - 09:49 .

[TrueDarkillumina]

Vuokseniska wrote...

well alot of people don't see DLC content as just a reason to have awesome loot. Wardens keep was interesting and Rto had some cool backstory to the game and they made it basically to take revenge on callian.

So no DLC is not just for loot

Would you pay for expanded codex entries then with no loot? Because that's what most of the DLC (except for the Stone Prisoner which included Shale) was when you take away the loot. It also doesn't help that the DLC is promoted with the gear front and center. The added lore was enjoyable but was extremely bare-boned. Without the gear nobody in their right mind would have bought the DLC.

[Vuokseniska]

i get the feeling most people just don't like the Rto DLC, i can accept that. it was just a fast fanservie to get revenge. Wardens keep was more interesting. But to cry about it? It was good marketing to show the armor. Though i personally never cared for it either way.

My idea of DLC is usually just not worth it most of the time... specially when you look at PS3 DLC. So i was suprised at wardens keep and the SHale DLC. those where enjoyable. I think RtO was a bit lacking compared to the other 2 thus i can compare that it feels like you do it only for the loot.

But it is scewed to then to say that someone isn't going to buy awakingen because of it. Next time don't pay for a Starbuks coffee and that makes it even to rto Dlc.

So i would say Rto was lacking instead of Awakening

Modifié par Vuokseniska, 19 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Red Frostraven]

What happens to the items inside the "party chest" from warden's keep?
The +90 storage one separate from your own personal storage?

...
Up to 90 items will go poof??

Modifié par Red Frostraven, 19 février 2010 - 10:30 .

[metatheurgist]

Siradix wrote...

Now do Warden's Keep.

sidenote- lol I love the table analogy you guys did earlier

Warden's Keep is easy:

Due to the large concentration of Archdemon ashes in the atmosphere, Ferelden is plunged into the Most Extreme ™ winter since the last Archdemon was exploded. Heavy snowfall seals of the passes to Wardens Keep. The Drydens are forced to survive in the keep where Avernus has to come up with tasty (but ethical) culinary experiments to keep everyone alive.

The table skit is flawed. It has no relation to the situation at hand. I propose a classic restaurant skit:

waiter: Glad to see you're back sir!
customer: Well, I came for lunch and I throroughly enjoyed it so I'm here for dinner. You could even call it an expansion...of my waistline.
waiter: <delivers food>
customer: Wait! Where's the coffee I ordered?
waiter: You had that with lunch sir.
customer: But I ordered coffee! I expect coffee from now into perpetuity! I paid for it! THIS IS A RIPOFF! YOU GUYS ARE LIARS AND CHEATS!
waiter: !
customer: Thats it! Even though I love your food and have enjoyed every previous meal. I'm never coming to your establishment ever again!

[Maedryc]

metatheurgist wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Now do Warden's Keep.

sidenote- lol I love the table analogy you guys did earlier

Warden's Keep is easy:

Due to the large concentration of Archdemon ashes in the atmosphere, Ferelden is plunged into the Most Extreme ™ winter since the last Archdemon was exploded. Heavy snowfall seals of the passes to Wardens Keep. The Drydens are forced to survive in the keep where Avernus has to come up with tasty (but ethical) culinary experiments to keep everyone alive.

The table skit is flawed. It has no relation to the situation at hand. I propose a classic restaurant skit:

waiter: Glad to see you're back sir!
customer: Well, I came for lunch and I throroughly enjoyed it so I'm here for dinner. You could even call it an expansion...of my waistline.
waiter:
customer: Wait! Where's the coffee I ordered?
waiter: You had that with lunch sir.
customer: But I ordered coffee! I expect coffee from now into perpetuity! I paid for it! THIS IS A RIPOFF! YOU GUYS ARE LIARS AND CHEATS!
waiter: !
customer: Thats it! Even though I love your food and have enjoyed every previous meal. I'm never coming to your establishment ever again!

Not really, no. You see, the game is called "Dragon Age: Origins-Awakening". It's an expansion, rather than a sequel: it even requires the original game to work.
So, when you state that a DLC is intended to work with Origins, and after someone's bought it you say "...of course, whatever we come up from now on isn't really Origins even if it has the word "Origins" right here, in the name" you're either being disingenuous or an idiot. Take your pick.
DLCs are not consumables: they're support for a game. To use your analogy, it's like if you hired a violinist to play while you're having the aforementioned dinner at the restaurant. Then, as soon as you kneel down to ask the woman you've invited if she wants to marry you, the guy abruptly stops playing. Because, you know, the dinner is over.

Modifié par Maedryc, 19 février 2010 - 11:48 .

[Rafaelan]

So if\\when Bioware releases a DLC for Awakenings....are those items, or heck any of the 500+ items they are touting Awakenings-only content then?

Are they going to let people know when they release DLC's from now on that any items from them will NOT carry forward into further expansions? Or are they just going to leave it blank so they can sell as many copies as they can?

I get that the items may end up being obsolete quickly in Awakenings...but what are thier plans for those people who have 6,8,10 or so of these non importable items? Are they going to replace them with something different? Give the PC starting gold? or free gear?

Or do they really expect players to go back to previous save and identify, remove, replace all this gear themselves?

I can't think of another game that I have played where the developer did something this stupid in an EXPANSION of the original game....not letting items in PURCHASED content carry forward? Preposterous, and furthermore they didn't even warn people that this would be the case. You would think they could have at least done that, right?

and apparently they couldn't even tie the loss of these items to a story plot either...

Screw the items, I mean where is the integrity? Isn't that the bigger question here? They are trying to establish DLC as a profit model going forward, and they actually think that making decisions like this won't have an adverse effect?

Modifié par Rafaelan, 19 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[ChocolateJ]

My nephew's got a birthday coming up. I should go throw away all of his toys since he will just get better ones.



Really, why have less content? It's ridiculous. What sort of in-game explanation is there? Do all DLC items just melt? I am sure I will replace them all with new items, but why make that decision for me?

[john1022]

What if there was no expansion? Would people say I can't believe I bought the DLC for items that have such a short lifespan?? For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?



If there was no expansion nobody would be complaining... which is funny because I'm sure everyone here would rather there be an expansion than not...

[Rohx]

i don´t like it!

that´s all i can say.

I May not need the loot in DA:A. but still is items that i had.

not being able to use them is frustating.



and the fact that what will hapend to future DLC.



Will i be able to use those items in future expansions.



this decision will make me want to think 3 times before i buy any DLC.

yeah i was thinking about buying RTO. but now i´m not in any rush to do it.



and to be hones my hero is level 20+ and thats are the items im using.

and i think ill keep using till i find the cool stuff in DA:A.



so Shame on them!

i Wish we had more cool Free DLC like im geting in ME2.

a item here some missions there!

something to keep the paying customers hapy!

[Hrodberht]

The fact that you'll get better items in Awakenings was discounted as being the reason per se, when a Bioware dev said in a Q&A that including the DLC items would take extra coding that they didn't want to do, and since you'd get better items, they didn't think anyone would care. So no, the reason is not that you'll get better items (which was a ridiculous explanation anyway, why not include everything?), but that Bioware didn't feel like expending whatever resources would have been needed.

Modifié par Hrodberht, 26 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[WilliamShatner]

I doubt it EA is behind it, afterall Rock Band allows cross game DLC support.

[BewareTheDrow]

TrueDarkillumina wrote...

The number of Bioware apologists is shocking. Personally I'm an understanding guy and I get the fact that some people have differing opinions........

But seriously, there is absolutely no justification for ANYBODY to be supporting this decision by Bioware. It's ridiculous and makes no sense from any single perspective be it coding or the items being overpowered (or according to Bioware underpowered for Awakening o.O)

We get better items? Awesome, that's great, but what about the fraggin gear I paid money for? I didn't pay for half-cooked codex entries, I paid for gear with a little bit of story thrown in. I don't give a nug's behind if they ended up being the weakest and worst items in Awakening, but at least give me the choice to use the stuff I paid for. Again, it's the principle behind this people. It really is shocking how so many are placated by a Dev dropping in and giving a half-cooked explanation and not even questioning it.

And people complain about PC piracy nowadays. Yeesh! Respect the consumer and they will respect you.

Yep. Its as blatant a scam as you can find, and yet people still defend Bioware's *decision* not to include DLC content you paid for in an expansion you will pay for, to a game you paid for. Repeating that: Bioware made the *decision* not to incorporate the DLC content into the expansion. They've made excuses and attempted to justify their reasoning due to the complexity involved, but it doesn't change the fact that it was a choice on their part not to expend the time, effort and money to incorporate the DLC. (time and effort that *my* money paid for, by the way)

Your point about piracy complaints hits a nerve with me. Had I known that Bioware would pull something like this I would've pirated the game and DLC instead of purchasing it. It would've been easier and I wouldn't have a right to complain about something I paid for. Respect your customer indeed.

[Drasanil]

Boohoo, grow up and get over it.



Crying over DLC items got old last month, at least the Power of Blood talents carry over it's not a complete loss.

[Dethanos]

john1022 wrote...

..For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?

Yes, I did.

[Bryy_Miller]

TrueDarkillumina wrote...

Bioware apologists

This is a video game we're talking about. Please keep that in mind. Not a rally for the next president.

[john1022]

Dethanos wrote...

john1022 wrote...

..For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?

Yes, I did.

Then please show me a link to where Bioware stated that the DLC items would be available in any new expansions..

[Bryy_Miller]

Dethanos wrote...

john1022 wrote...

..For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?

Yes, I did.

People should really stop buying video games based on their own assumptions.

[john1022]

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Yep. Its as blatant a scam as you can find, and yet people still defend Bioware's *decision* not to include DLC content you paid for in an expansion you will pay for, to a game you paid for. Repeating that: Bioware made the *decision* not to incorporate the DLC content into the expansion. They've made excuses and attempted to justify their reasoning due to the complexity involved, but it doesn't change the fact that it was a choice on their part not to expend the time, effort and money to incorporate the DLC. (time and effort that *my* money paid for, by the way)

Your point about piracy complaints hits a nerve with me. Had I known that Bioware would pull something like this I would've pirated the game and DLC instead of purchasing it. It would've been easier and I wouldn't have a right to complain about something I paid for. Respect your customer indeed.

Where did people get the idea that purchasing a DLC was purchasing the items in the game??

Bioware made a game.. You bought it and played it.. Bioware made some DLCs you bought them AND played them too..  Stop right there!  You just got your money's worth..

When did they ever say you bought the actual items in game to be used at some later point in time outside of the DLC adventure??

You act as if they charged you money for something that you didn't get ..

I'm so sick of this ME ME ME ME ME society that expects everything to go the way they want it and if it doesn't then they come up with some bull**** reasons for why they were ripped off or they were robbed of their gaming experience..

Toughen up and get over it .. Its a ****in' game for God's sake! If you don't like it then don't play..

[supersims796]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dethanos wrote...

john1022 wrote...

..For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?

Yes, I did.

People should really stop buying video games based on their own assumptions.

Honestly, now I can see why they are calling you guys apologists. PS, the word applies to more than just politics.

If it's so hard to understand why people are upset that they bought DLCs with their money (keyword: not their parents money), and can't continue using it, then you'll continue to get man handled by Bioware.

They never told you after you bought the game that the disc won't immediatley snap in two, but if it did, you'd be pissed. But that's what you get for assuming.

[supersims796]

john1022 wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Yep. Its as blatant a scam as you can find, and yet people still defend Bioware's *decision* not to include DLC content you paid for in an expansion you will pay for, to a game you paid for. Repeating that: Bioware made the *decision* not to incorporate the DLC content into the expansion. They've made excuses and attempted to justify their reasoning due to the complexity involved, but it doesn't change the fact that it was a choice on their part not to expend the time, effort and money to incorporate the DLC. (time and effort that *my* money paid for, by the way)

Your point about piracy complaints hits a nerve with me. Had I known that Bioware would pull something like this I would've pirated the game and DLC instead of purchasing it. It would've been easier and I wouldn't have a right to complain about something I paid for. Respect your customer indeed.

Where did people get the idea that purchasing a DLC was purchasing the items in the game??

Bioware made a game.. You bought it and played it.. Bioware made some DLCs you bought them AND played them too..  Stop right there!  You just got your money's worth..

When did they ever say you bought the actual items in game to be used at some later point in time outside of the DLC adventure??

You act as if they charged you money for something that you didn't get ..

I'm so sick of this ME ME ME ME ME society that expects everything to go the way they want it and if it doesn't then they come up with some bull**** reasons for why they were ripped off or they were robbed of their gaming experience..

Toughen up and get over it .. Its a ****in' game for God's sake! If you don't like it then don't play..

Actually, if you don't like it, don't pay.

I'm really suprised by all the fans content with not getting as far as their buck will take them. Ah well.

I count down the days until Bioware will pull off their horse armor...that you can only use for a little while. Lemme guess, you guys will be  the first to stick up for them.

[Bryy_Miller]

supersims796 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dethanos wrote...

john1022 wrote...

..For all of the people complaining did you buy the DLCs with full knowledge of an expansion coming and the expectation to be able to use the items in that expansion ?

Yes, I did.

People should really stop buying video games based on their own assumptions.

Honestly, now I can see why they are calling you guys apologists. PS, the word applies to more than just politics.

If it's so hard to understand why people are upset that they bought DLCs with their money (keyword: not their parents money), and can't continue using it, then you'll continue to get man handled by Bioware.

They never told you after you bought the game that the disc won't immediatley snap in two, but if it did, you'd be pissed. But that's what you get for assuming.

It has nothing to do with DA. It goes for everything in life - people need to stop expecting X to do Y without any prior research into the matter. Do I think DLC should carry over? Yes. But do I complain about it? No. Because what is done is done.

[supersims796]

Then ya must notta paid good money for it.



It is expected for DLC to carry over. That's not unusual. They did not mention that their DLC would not carry over at the time of purchase. That is why people are so outraged. It was imposible to guess otherwise.



Now, more importantly, people have the right to complain. Same as you're complainin' bout a complainer.



But I didn't download anything. so I have no real problems. Although Bioware has me absolutley convinced NOT to buy any of their DLC's for now on.

[ladydesire]

supersims796 wrote...

Then ya must notta paid good money for it.

It is expected for DLC to carry over. That's not unusual.

It's the norm for people to expect because other games have done it; I don't personally expect it to always be the case.

They did not mention that their DLC would not carry over at the time of purchase. That is why people are so outraged. It was imposible to guess otherwise.

They've said why it won't, and they probably didn't know at the time of release this would be the case, which is why they will make sure it does happen for future DLC. Do you want them to delay the release of the expansion over things that will be useless by the end of the expansion? I don't see having the DLC items from the beginning is enough justification for them to delay the expansion one minute.

Now, more importantly, people have the right to complain. Same as you're complainin' bout a complainer.

But I didn't download anything. so I have no real problems. Although Bioware has me absolutley convinced NOT to buy any of their DLC's for now on.

You should buy it because you want it, not because it will be able to import into any future expansions.