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[Okkomon]

Yeah, we may argue. Hundreds of years of combat experience including understanding tactiques to overcome her enemies over all those years, not to mention uber biotic skills, plus all that samurai stuff, if she is so aware of human history and all i might of guessed she has also heard of Sun Zhu and some tactis overall? This all means she is a failure as a firesquad lead as in juxtapositioned to forexample Jacob? Sure, Samara is a loner by choice of 'career' but not recless like the download guy (can't even remember his name).  Jacob, is basically just a merc himself and former alliance pawn, annd he even suggests to put himself on a mission (the ducts) that he doesn't even has the skills to carry out.

...Oh well, legion took the hit on my maiden playtrough, and i suppose he has 'more lives than nine' being a 'legion'.

Modifié par Okkomon, 18 février 2010 - 06:27 .

[Doug84]

A hundred years of SINGLE HANDED combat experience. I.e. Not in a group.

[InvaderErl]

She's a solo fighter. She tells you she's not used to working with others. There's more to leading than just one's personal combat prowess.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 18 février 2010 - 06:27 .

[Shipwr3K]

lol she is not a leader.

[Okkomon]

InvaderErl wrote...

She's a solo fighter. She tells you she's not used to working with others. There's more to leading than just one's personal combat prowess.

True, but you dismissed anything else we have learned about her, other than she works alone being justicar. Miranda i believe in your mind is great leader  ibelieve? Social skills of ice queen, and an attitude of self centered 'i'm the best there is', that's your pick of a squad leader?

Modifié par Okkomon, 18 février 2010 - 06:32 .

[Jigero]

SOLO COMBAT. key word, if you had hundreds of years experience as a carpenter, does that mean your suddenly good at plumbing too?

[Shipwr3K]

you can pick jacob, garrus or miranda for squad leader, that is if you want your crew to survive.

[Llandaryn]

She spent 400 years tracking down a single Asari who, when she started running, was only 40 years old -- the Asari equivalent of a toddler.

Nihlus manages to out-smart her by putting her in a position where she either has to break her code or let him go.

This should tell you something about how successful a tactician she is.

[KumoriOokami]

I always end up picking Garrus for that for some reason.

[Okkomon]

Jigero wrote...

SOLO COMBAT. key word, if you had hundreds of years experience as a carpenter, does that mean your suddenly good at plumbing too?

Does miranda have it so much better then? Other than it's set so in game mechanic or rather than what is obvious by the same logic we could apply to Samara that is not leading cerberus agents hypnotized by oogling her ass.

Modifié par Okkomon, 18 février 2010 - 06:36 .

[flem1]

Jigero wrote...

SOLO COMBAT. key word, if you had hundreds of years experience as a carpenter, does that mean your suddenly good at plumbing too?

On the other hand, she was a merc for a long time before that.

Yeah, the outcome sort of makes sense (and this part isn't in the all-important blurb), but it sort of doesn't.

[Cutlass Jack]

She is far too single minded to be a good leader. She focuses on her goal and not the price of achieving it. Keeping a team alive in the process just isn't something she's good at.

[Legbiter]

She's a lone wolf killer who has hardly interacted with anyone in centuries except to crush them to death with biotics. Combat leadership experience: Zero.

[Mikeuicus]

I like how people discount her being a poor leader even though SHE TELLS YOU SHE IS NOT USED TO WORKING WITH PEOPLE. This is a bad leadership quality! That's like if Thane were to have said, "I'm not good with electronics" people got confused why he died in the vents when they tell you an electronics expert is needed. (I will admit, Thane died in my playthrough only because I figured sneaking in vents=stealth, I missed the part where they emphasize electronics my first go around).

[Saberdark]

Miranda is a good squad leader not because she is friendly, but because she is competent and knows how to manage a team. They may not like her, but they acknowledge that she knows what to do in a leadership role.



Samara is a single combat fighter who knows nothing of working in a group. She has worked alone for 400 years. Why would she ever be a good leader?

[Shipwr3K]

I had grunt as a leader on my first play thru haha.

[Okkomon]

Legbiter wrote...

She's a lone wolf killer who has hardly interacted with anyone in centuries except to crush them to death with biotics. Combat leadership experience: Zero.

And Miranda is much better to lead the motley crew you have how? Not to mention many have utter distrust towards Cerberus.

Modifié par Okkomon, 18 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Okkomon wrote...

And Miranda is much better to lead the motley crew you have how? Not to mention most have utter distrust towards cerberus.

Well thats why I always pick Garrus.

But at least Miranda does have an actual skill on her character sheet that boosts the abilities of those she's teamed with. That at the very least puts her ahead of Samara, who'd kill at least half your team on principle if it weren't for her oath.

[Jigero]

Okkomon wrote...

Jigero wrote...

SOLO COMBAT. key word, if you had hundreds of years experience as a carpenter, does that mean your suddenly good at plumbing too?

Does miranda have it so much better then? Other than it's set so in game mechanic or rather than what is obvious by the same logic we could apply to Samara that is not leading cerberus agents hypnotized by oogling her ass.

Yes, Miranda is a high ranking offier with in Cereberus, she was in charge of recovering shepard and in charge of the Lazerus Project, She's been in a place of authority even before that, Samara has not.

[Llandaryn]

Okkomon wrote...

And Miranda is much better to lead the motley crew you have how?

Bioware seem to think so.

[Shipwr3K]

Okkomon wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

She's a lone wolf killer who has hardly interacted with anyone in centuries except to crush them to death with biotics. Combat leadership experience: Zero.

And Miranda is much better to lead the motley crew you have how? Not to mention many have utter distrust towards Cerberus.

you dont have to pick miranda man, kill her off if you want.  Let her drop after the reaper. 

[challenger18]

What the others have said. She focuses on getting her job done, working alone, damn those that get in her way. She has never lead a team of people. Miranda has, Jacob most likely has, and Garrus has. With Miranda, you may not like her, but she knows how to lead a team. Follow her orders and you'll stay alive.

[KumoriOokami]

Jigero wrote...

Okkomon wrote...

Jigero wrote...

SOLO COMBAT. key word, if you had hundreds of years experience as a carpenter, does that mean your suddenly good at plumbing too?

Does miranda have it so much better then? Other than it's set so in game mechanic or rather than what is obvious by the same logic we could apply to Samara that is not leading cerberus agents hypnotized by oogling her ass.

Yes, Miranda is a high ranking offier with in Cereberus, she was in charge of recovering shepard and in charge of the Lazerus Project, She's been in a place of authority even before that, Samara has not.

Even Miranda's class skill indicates that she is meant to be a squad leader, since increasing it increases squad health and weapon damage.

[Legbiter]

Okkomon wrote...

And Miranda is much better to lead the motley crew you have how? Not to mention many have utter distrust towards Cerberus.

She's billed as a Cerberus tactical expert. Works for me.