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[JRM01]

I agreed with Legions ingame logic on making the choice to not destroy the Collector base. There is no reason to destroy the base as it has no sentimental value to anyone. The base is there, it contains technology that is far more advanced then anything out in our galaxy, it would be stupid to destroy it, just because you cant understand the implications of the available technology. the base was not there to create the human Reaper as they started building that thing only two years ago and the Collectors have been around for much longer, so their base is very interesting for further inspection.

[DuffyMJ]

DarkNova50 wrote...

Somehow, taking a factory that liquifies sentient species and then turns them into behemoth machines hell bent on culling all life, and handing it over to a guy with no scruples whatsoever seems like a really, really bad idea.

Althought it would be amusing to see a massive Reaper in the shape of The Illusive Man.

i wonder what it would be smoking

[Jeremy Winston]

Beechwell wrote...

Frotality wrote...
they really couldnt hand us a neutral choice like ME1? the middle ground between "epic sacrifice for great council saving justice" and  "let the motherf**kers burn"? was it so hard to get meer and hale to say "i'll keep the base, but not for you."?

I honestly doubt Shepard has much say in who gets the station. The only way to it is through the Omega 4 relay and the only one possessing the key to that is EDI, a Cerberus AI. My guess is that if you tell EDI to forward the IFF to the Alliance or Council, you'd get an "I'm sorry, Shepard. But I'm afraid I can't do that."

Hard say, actually.  EDI seems to be on Shepard's side as well.  Note that she had no problem uploading the encrypted Cerberus data to the Alliance.  She also willingly told Shepard everything she knew about Cerberus once the blocks were off.

[xThunderblazex]

2 + 2 = 4.



Put Collector Station in hands of Illusive Man, he is going to abduct colonies on his own to feed into the machines in order to make his own reapers, or at least attempt to, in order to see the process.

[MutantSpleen]

I am keeping it, if I have to juice a planet to save the galaxy I will.

[Beechwell]

JRM01 wrote...

I agreed with Legions ingame logic on making the choice to not destroy the Collector base. There is no reason to destroy the base as it has no sentimental value to anyone. The base is there, it contains technology that is far more advanced then anything out in our galaxy, it would be stupid to destroy it, just because you cant understand the implications of the available technology. the base was not there to create the human Reaper as they started building that thing only two years ago and the Collectors have been around for much longer.

I doubt that. The whole purpose of the collectors was to find a suitable race to create a reaper from. They may have only started building recently, but I'm rather certain that the thing was mainly one big Reaper factory.
Of course, maybe there would still have been valuable information there. But if that information is mostly about how to mash sapient beings into pulp, then I want no part in it. And the hole thing is so alien anyway that I'm not sure if one can truly understand it before the Reapers show up. Add to that the dangers of Cerberus using it as a weapon, or a possible indoctrination technology installed, and I rather blow the thing up and work with what I've got.
But in the end it is mostly a risk evaluation, rather than a moral choice (unless you actually approve of building your own Reapers of course).

[UnAffectedFiddle]

The base also has adbanced weaponry, genetic experiments and *drum roll* some library or history or record keeping? It isnt just about making a Reaper, as thats a fairly new thing they tried.

[Beechwell]

Jeremy Winston wrote...
Hard say, actually.  EDI seems to be on Shepard's side as well.  Note that she had no problem uploading the encrypted Cerberus data to the Alliance.  She also willingly told Shepard everything she knew about Cerberus once the blocks were off.

True,it is only an assumption. And it is not so much that I don't trust EDI, but rather than I consider TIM to be smart enough to install some failsaves in her programming to ensure his control. Remember how easily the heretic geth were rewritten...

[MutantSpleen]

Did any of you ever think that if it's a Reaper factory, then it probably contains the information on how they are constructed. Once you know how they are built; you know their weakness and the best way to kill them.

[Barquiel]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Did any of you ever think that if it's a Reaper factory, then it probably contains the information on how they are constructed. Once you know how they are built; you know their weakness and the best way to kill them.

We know how they are built (that's the datapad that Joker hands Shepard at the end of the game)

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[Skyblade012]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

If it has Reaper tech, it has the possiblity of indoctrination associated with it.

While I agree that the absolute black and white associated with your choice is kind of naive (as is the reaction of EVERYONE in the crew), using the Reaper tech is simply asking for trouble.

How so?  Not everyone in the crew tells you to abandon it.  In fact, the advice the crew gives you seems to be dependent on your previous dialogue, and your teammates.  I went in with Legion and Tali.  If I start out selecting the Paragon options in that discussion, Legion goes "Commander, this facility is merely data.  There is no inherent ethical value to it".  If I start the discussion leaning towards keeping the facility, Tali asks me what the heck I'm thinking, how could I even think about using it.

Different team setups have gotten me similar responses.  If you start out with one position, your allies seem to play devil's advocate before you make the final choice.

[UnAffectedFiddle]

Another reason to keep it, ake an Elcor Reaper! Truly, an ender of worlds.

[MutantSpleen]

Barquiel wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Did any of you ever think that if it's a Reaper factory, then it probably contains the information on how they are constructed. Once you know how they are built; you know their weakness and the best way to kill them.

We know how they are built (that's the datapad that Joker hands Shepard at the end of the game)

Well that was convenient, guess they had to have a way out for those who couldn't make the hard choice.

[Lmaoboat]

I wouldn't mind the end of Bioware didn't spend the entire game trying to make Cerberus look like they weren't as bad as you thought.

[Beechwell]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Did any of you ever think that if it's a Reaper factory, then it probably contains the information on how they are constructed. Once you know how they are built; you know their weakness and the best way to kill them.

That's if they have an easily exploitable weakness, and if Cerberus can indeed make hands and tail out of what information about building a Reaper they can find. Too many ifs for my taste, considering the danger of Cerberus abusing the facility or possible indoctrination.
Also, if one is to believe Nazara, the Reapers are so many, and so powerful that a direct confrontation is going to end in disaster anyway. I think the galaxy's best bet is to trap them somehow in the intergalactic void.

[Series5Ranger]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I am keeping it, if I have to juice a planet to save the galaxy I will.

and become the very thing you're trying to Destroy, nice.

[Wiggletphyre]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Beechwell wrote...

Frotality wrote...
they really couldnt hand us a neutral choice like ME1? the middle ground between "epic sacrifice for great council saving justice" and  "let the motherf**kers burn"? was it so hard to get meer and hale to say "i'll keep the base, but not for you."?

I honestly doubt Shepard has much say in who gets the station. The only way to it is through the Omega 4 relay and the only one possessing the key to that is EDI, a Cerberus AI. My guess is that if you tell EDI to forward the IFF to the Alliance or Council, you'd get an "I'm sorry, Shepard. But I'm afraid I can't do that."

Hard say, actually.  EDI seems to be on Shepard's side as well.  Note that she had no problem uploading the encrypted Cerberus data to the Alliance.  She also willingly told Shepard everything she knew about Cerberus once the blocks were off.

Its also funny to mention that EDI was build with reaper tech, the kind of tech you would destroy if you where to destroy the station.

[Kreid]

Keeping the base is a bad idea for 3 reasons.



1-Indoctrination, no one escapes it no matter how careful.

2-Cerberus and TIM, he CLEARLY states in the Paragon ending he wants the base to put humanity on top of every other race in the Galaxy which is NOT a good idea having account you're going to have to work together to take out the Reapers.

3-As Nazara/Sovereign said taking advantage of Reaper technology is moving along their lines, it will eventually backlash the whole Galaxy in some way or another

[JPfanner]

Even if you destroy the base it isn't as if you're at a total loss for new tech. There's a whole graveyard of ships from who knows how many races just floating around the other side of the relay.

[cylriasilver]

Also keep in mind that the race smart & advanced enough to build the reapers were eventually destroyed by them. Given Cerberus's methods, handing over reaper making tech sounds like just repeating that original mistake.

[Wiggletphyre]

Creid-X wrote...

Keeping the base is a bad idea for 3 reasons.

1-Indoctrination, no one escapes it no matter how careful.
2-Cerberus and TIM, he CLEARLY states in the Paragon ending he wants the base to put humanity on top of every other race in the Galaxy which is NOT a good idea having account you're going to have to work together to take out the Reapers.
3-As Nazara/Sovereign said taking advantage of Reaper technology is moving along their lines, it will eventually backlash the whole Galaxy in some way or another

1- The collector base is not a reaper, and well the Citadel is a Reaper station to and ppl arnt getting indoctrinated there.

2- Ontop of is something else then  to dominate. if your look at his comments he's not looking to destroy other races, just to put humanity on front and have the other races follow them. Something that Shepard is working on also with powerfull contacts withing various factions. Like Wrex - Krogan, Tali - Quarians, Legion - Geth. all Characters that are/or will be leaders to there people.  It looks like Cerberus is trying to get other Species to follow humanity by being the first one to charge into the battle, and to survive that you need a good weapon and some nice armor

3- Well thers no going back to scratch and develop our own intergalactic transportation system now, might aswell try to catch up with the reapers to minimise there advantage.

[fortunesque]

Using the base is extremely risky.



First of all, in order to have it used and researched, one would have to use the Omega 4 relay. There is also a risk of indoctrination and God knows what else that the base can do to you.



Also, the Citadel was reaper technology that got used multiple times by sentient races. Look how that turned out. Just because the current group using the Citadel is able to keep it (for now) doesn't mean that their luck won't run out.



At the end of the game, Shepard is holding a datapad. It seems like they have the reaper information. IMO, that's all they need. Keeping the base isn't worth the risk of ruining what little chance everyone has to survive.

[Roachefort]

What I would do If I was actually in this situation would be to keep the base, but turn it over to the Council. On one hand, we need the base. On the other, I trust the Illusive man about as far as my Shepard hologram could throw him. IMO, best case scenario would be keeping the base with council oversight, hopefully wired with a nuke or two just in case.

Edit- What I did was destroy it though. Give that much power to one person and you'[ve basically garunteed that he's going to attack you after the war.

Modifié par Roachefort, 19 février 2010 - 12:03 .

[KainrycKarr]

Wiggletphyre wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Keeping the base is a bad idea for 3 reasons.

1-Indoctrination, no one escapes it no matter how careful.
2-Cerberus and TIM, he CLEARLY states in the Paragon ending he wants the base to put humanity on top of every other race in the Galaxy which is NOT a good idea having account you're going to have to work together to take out the Reapers.
3-As Nazara/Sovereign said taking advantage of Reaper technology is moving along their lines, it will eventually backlash the whole Galaxy in some way or another

1- The collector base is not a reaper, and well the Citadel is a Reaper station to and ppl arnt getting indoctrinated there.

2- Ontop of is something else then  to dominate. if your look at his comments he's not looking to destroy other races, just to put humanity on front and have the other races follow them. Something that Shepard is working on also with powerfull contacts withing various factions. Like Wrex - Krogan, Tali - Quarians, Legion - Geth. all Characters that are/or will be leaders to there people.  It looks like Cerberus is trying to get other Species to follow humanity by being the first one to charge into the battle, and to survive that you need a good weapon and some nice armor

3- Well thers no going back to scratch and develop our own intergalactic transportation system now, might aswell try to catch up with the reapers to minimise there advantage.

Ummm...why the hell do you think the council absolutely, stupidly, ignorantly, REFUSES to help you or acknowledge the Reapers in any way?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Any station with a direct phone line to the Reapers are gonna be more trouble than it's worth.



*assuming control*