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[KitsuneRommel]

Kileyan wrote...

First playthrough, and without spoilers, it isn't so bad, you can trick yourself into thinking you'll discover somethign new.

Subsequent plays, its just plain bad. You know its just a time sink task you must do. It is one of the major reasons I've never been able to play this game for many replays, like I did ME1. For peple that say they didn't mind it that much, would you rage over it being totally removed for some other automated mechanic?

That's exactly what driving around with the Mako was in ME1 too. In ME1 I checked the wiki for points of interest (and even then they take a HUGE chunk of the playtime), in ME2 I used a save game editor.

[massive_effect]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Adriano87 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

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it s good that I don't need to climb the mountains to find a Thorium Rock !

is EXCELLENT

You were not obligated to acquire resources to get weapons and armor. There were very few Mako missions that were mandatory. This is not the case with planet scanning. If you want good weapons and armor, you must scan. Even on successive plays.

[massive_effect]

Kileyan wrote...

I was scanning thread titles a while back, but didn't have time to read them. One thread alluded to a statement from Christina that they were very happy with the planet scanning and it was staying for ME3........truth?

Bioware would have a major chip on their shoulder to keep it in it's current design. I hope she is just referring to the idea, not the pathetic execution as seen in ME2.

You were right to say that it is the worst mini-game in history. It is bad enough that we can only think that no game designer would be that stupid. They did this for some reason. Either an experiment to test our patience, or out of revenge for criticizing the Mako.

Modifié par massive_effect, 31 mai 2010 - 05:05 .

[KalosCast]

massive_effect wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

I was scanning thread titles a while back, but didn't have time to read them. One thread alluded to a statement from Christina that they were very happy with the planet scanning and it was staying for ME3........truth?

Bioware would have a major chip on their shoulder to keep it in it's current design. I hope she is just referring to the idea, not the pathetic execution as seen in ME2.

You were right to say that it is the worst mini-game in history. It is bad enough that we can only think that no game designer would be that stupid. They did this for some reason. Either an experiment to test our patience, or out of revenge for criticizing the Mako.

I don't know if you can even call scanning a "mini-game" or really anything to imply that it's a game, as those are usually tests of chance and skill. This is more like that godawful Where's Waldo abomination on the NES where you just have to search blindly (or methodically if you're some kind of nerd) until you find him because there's no way to distinguish the location with your puny human eyes.

That's right, there was already solid proof that this scanning thing was a bad idea over two decades ago and our lovely Canadian developers said "**** THAT, WE'RE BIOWARE" and did it anyway. Where is your god now?

Modifié par KalosCast, 31 mai 2010 - 06:42 .

[Christmas Ape]

Yeah, well, I still enjoy it.



My anecdotal and completely personal experience invalidates yours! Now it's an objectively wonderful part of the game again! Behold, the magic of the internet!

[massive_effect]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Yeah, well, I still enjoy it.

My anecdotal and completely personal experience invalidates yours! Now it's an objectively wonderful part of the game again! Behold, the magic of the internet!

I suppose apes like awful things. You are very articulate for an ape, however.

But, you aren't just any ape. You are the Christmas Ape!

I think I saw you at Shepard and Tali's party.

[jonnyblueballs]

massive_effect wrote...

jonnyblueballs wrote...

I actually have OCD, and went and scanned every ****ing planet possible. It was pretty painful.

You poor soul.

I know. Had to find all Element Zero. Never again, though.

[CroGamer002]

At least there is no mod lock like in ME1 so on PC you can just add max resources and credits and no more scanning! :-D

[Riddley313]

Am I the only one who actually liked driving around on strange planets with the Mako? It was actually somewhat interesting at first - different worlds, salvage, investigation sites. There was a sense of exploration. The biggest issue was the lack of variety in planets and locations. It certaintly got stale after awhile.

But, it seems like many of the things in ME1 that were complained about were just completely removed altogether in ME2. The Mako aspect certainly had flaws, but it could have been adjusted/tweaked to be a more enjoyable experience instead of being removed completely. Instead of the Mako, we now have this scanning "minigame", which to me is completely terrible and has no real redeeming value. It's annoying, rather pointless except to gain minerals, and it's a very transparent and lazy way of extending the game length.

Also, call me crazy, but I actually didn't mind the elevator rides - the banter between party members was worth it.

Modifié par Riddley313, 01 juin 2010 - 05:52 .

[massive_effect]

Riddley313 wrote...

Am I the only one who actually liked driving around on strange planets with the Mako? It was actually somewhat interesting at first - different worlds, salvage, investigation sites. There was a sense of exploration. The biggest issue was the lack of variety in planets and locations. It certaintly got stale after awhile.

But, it seems like many of the things in ME1 that were complained about were just completely removed altogether in ME2. The Mako aspect certainly had flaws, but it could have been adjusted/tweaked to be a more enjoyable experience instead of being removed completely. Instead of the Mako, we now have this scanning "minigame", which to me is completely terrible and has no real redeeming value. It's annoying, rather pointless except to gain minerals, and it's a very transparent and lazy way of extending the game length.

Also, call me crazy, but I actually didn't mind the elevator rides - the banter between party members was worth it.

I also liked the Mako. It was a classic take on 1960s mentality of what it would be like to travel to other planets. It's like driving the buggy on the moon. The planets were done well, too.

I also agree about the elevators. I didn't mind them.

[massive_effect]

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[Onyx Jaguar]

massive_effect wrote...

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[Mayson02]

I don't know if I suggested this before, but a cool alternative might be to take a page out of Homeworld's book.



You could control a small fleet and send out mining vessels and some escorts to "scan" the planets. Maybe, like in ME1, you get a message that your team has detected a dead vessel or some ruins and you can send out a research team.



To spice it up, some pirates or mercs might attack your mining ship and you'll need to get a team together to rescue them. Maybe your research team will discover something dangerous and you'll have to land to bail them out. Maybe you could even choose to attack and board another ship to steal their stuff if you're bad.

[massive_effect]

Mayson02 wrote...

I don't know if I suggested this before, but a cool alternative might be to take a page out of Homeworld's book.

You could control a small fleet and send out mining vessels and some escorts to "scan" the planets. Maybe, like in ME1, you get a message that your team has detected a dead vessel or some ruins and you can send out a research team.

To spice it up, some pirates or mercs might attack your mining ship and you'll need to get a team together to rescue them. Maybe your research team will discover something dangerous and you'll have to land to bail them out. Maybe you could even choose to attack and board another ship to steal their stuff if you're bad.

This sounds similar to my suggestion that they take a page out of Fable 2s book.

[massive_effect]

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[massive_effect]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

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[Onyx Jaguar]

massive_effect wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

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[massive_effect]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

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LOL. I would like to continue, but the mods will lock this thread.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well you see the probe system is inherintly flawed in ME 2. If they wanted such a system they should have just copied and pasted Star Control 2's. The only benefit in the Probe system is hotspots, but those were sorely underutilized.

[thepiebaker]

massive_effect wrote...

Mayson02 wrote...

I don't know if I suggested this before, but a cool alternative might be to take a page out of Homeworld's book.

You could control a small fleet and send out mining vessels and some escorts to "scan" the planets. Maybe, like in ME1, you get a message that your team has detected a dead vessel or some ruins and you can send out a research team.

To spice it up, some pirates or mercs might attack your mining ship and you'll need to get a team together to rescue them. Maybe your research team will discover something dangerous and you'll have to land to bail them out. Maybe you could even choose to attack and board another ship to steal their stuff if you're bad.

This sounds similar to my suggestion that they take a page out of Fable 2s book.

yeah just buy mining facilities and let the resources flow into your pocket over time

Modifié par thepiebaker, 09 juin 2010 - 11:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Mass Effect 1 and 2 are much too micro while Fable is going more Macro. They'd have to somehow justify it but the ME games are far too linear for that approach to make much sense.

[massive_effect]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Mass Effect 1 and 2 are much too micro while Fable is going more Macro. They'd have to somehow justify it but the ME games are far too linear for that approach to make much sense.

I  agree that Fable 2 is more of an open world, but that ecomony is not tied to events. You even make money when the game is off. If you put the game down for 3 months, you will be a multi-millionaire. This could be done in ME.

Imagine putting ME2 down for a month and then coming back to find enough elements to buy everything without scanning manually. (PC gamers have experienced this with their cheats.)

[massive_effect]

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[massive_effect]

I updated the original post with 2 more issues.

The two purposefully designed issues are (1) that the planet and scanning results are side-by-side, thus you aren't looking where you're 'driving' and (2) that there is no score popup when you send a probe. You have to subtract large numbers each time. So your eyes are constantly moving to 3 places.

That is called hard labor, not fun.