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Do you think Square/Enix should outsource development of Final Fantasy 15 to Bioware?


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How so? Final Fantasy X saw the player thrust into the role of a character who wasn't even real but simply a memory of the past with a far stronger political and religious emphasis than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XI was an MMO that detailed one of the grandest settings in video game history, with a far greater emphasis on lore and mythology than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XII was drastically different in both style and content, with a more open feel to the storyline and more of a militaristic emphasis. FFXIII was the most linear installment to date, and explored such themes as the subjectivity of visions of the future, morality, and identity. And those are the four most recent games. How exactly are they all the same?


Tidus was the worst character in a game ever. I've said this for years. The bastard cried for most of the game and when you found out what he was, I wanted to punch him in his "memory" mouth. He wasn't what I would call, "The best in storytelling" and FFX was one of my favorite Square games right behind FFVIII.

I loved FFXI because it had more community and ramifications than any other MMO I've played since. I'm on board for FFXIV all the way.

From the first eight hours of FFXIII I could tell who I would like and who I wouldn't. I'm not that far into but Hope is skating Tidus Territory. That's bad for me anyway.

However, Square forces you to follow in one direction. One single linear direction. Yes, we have side quests and mini games (all of which sucked in my mind) but you are shoehorned from one encounter to the next. That is the constant in all FF games. Something I wish they would just ease off a bit.

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Bioware is a wastern RPG company, personal taste aside WRPGs are very different from JRPGs. There is nothing that indicates Bioware could even do one well. But it's a moot point since SquareEnix would never outsource development to EA/Bioware, since EA directly competes with them. EA would have to buy the franchiese and that would never happen.

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Nope. If bioware did it it would loose it's final fantasy-ness.

If bioware is involved it should be a developed by a team made up of member of both companies.

The teammates should vary wildly in age from the jrpg teen to the grizzled curmudgeon.

The protagonist would be fully customizable, you hear that bioware? Make sure they don't stick me with a pretty-boy again!

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Square Enix and Final Fantasy are abomintaions and Bioware should'nt dirty their hands with that filth.

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I have a huge chip on my shoulder about the FF series because as a kid I loved it. Honestly, I've found myself more of a fan of Sakaguchi, FF's creator, than the FF series itself. It is no surprise that when he left, the FF franchise went down the drain (IMO). Personally, if Square Enix cared at all about doing the franchise justice, rather than just using it as a cash cow flagship, they would surrender it to Sakaguchi. This would never happen, but I'm pretty sure Lost Odyssey proved that no one is making a better JRPG than Sakaguchi, no matter what franchise it is.

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ApolloCloud wrote...

How so? Final Fantasy X saw the player thrust into the role of a character who wasn't even real but simply a memory of the past with a far stronger political and religious emphasis than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XI was an MMO that detailed one of the grandest settings in video game history, with a far greater emphasis on lore and mythology than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XII was drastically different in both style and content, with a more open feel to the storyline and more of a militaristic emphasis. FFXIII was the most linear installment to date, and explored such themes as the subjectivity of visions of the future, morality, and identity. And those are the four most recent games. How exactly are they all the same?


LOL

All of those games were trash, capiche?

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ImperialOperative wrote...

ApolloCloud wrote...

How so? Final Fantasy X saw the player thrust into the role of a character who wasn't even real but simply a memory of the past with a far stronger political and religious emphasis than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XI was an MMO that detailed one of the grandest settings in video game history, with a far greater emphasis on lore and mythology than any of the other games. Final Fantasy XII was drastically different in both style and content, with a more open feel to the storyline and more of a militaristic emphasis. FFXIII was the most linear installment to date, and explored such themes as the subjectivity of visions of the future, morality, and identity. And those are the four most recent games. How exactly are they all the same?


LOL

All of those games were trash, capiche?


I agree.

Bioware shouldnt develop FF 15, the FF series should be trashed all together.



I usually dont really like Egoraptors work but I feel this clip sums up the FF series quite well.

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I've played both FFXIII and Mass Effext 1 & 2. In my true opinion, I enjoyed both games equally. They both completed a whole circle for me. FFXIII has amazing graphics and a story that seems to follow like a book, but i didn't feel much emotion in the voice acting. At times it just sounded strained and monotonous. Mass Effect has an amazing story line, but doesn't quite hit the standards of FFXIII, but makes up in its unique dialogue choices and replayability. I still play both games. One is not greater than the other because they are not even in the same catagory as each other. FFXIII is its own amazing genre while Mass Effect is its own genre. If they could make a high quality FF with the voice acting of Mass effect and the conversation choices that could alter the entire story then I would have to deem it the greatest game ever made, but the odds of them making that work is slim to none...

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Harold Genhi wrote...

I've played both FFXIII and Mass Effext 1 & 2. In my true opinion, I enjoyed both games equally. They both completed a whole circle for me. FFXIII has amazing graphics and a story that seems to follow like a book, but i didn't feel much emotion in the voice acting. At times it just sounded strained and monotonous.


Little known fact, most dubs sound like crap. The Japanese voices, IMO, sound way better.

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"I don't like it so it's bad!!!!"

*stomps feet like a small child*

Christ.....

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Wicked 702 wrote...

"I don't like it so it's bad!!!!"
*stomps feet like a small child*
Christ.....


Nah, just poking at the user who signed up on a Bioware board to discuss JRPG's and trash Bioware games.

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Little known fact, most dubs sound like crap. The Japanese voices, IMO, sound way better.


truth. i've never understood how anyone can prefer dubs to subs. with most dubs you lose all emotion in the voice acting. i rather hear the inflections of tone in the japanese language and read the subs than hear terrrrribad emotionless dub voices.

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ImperialOperative wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

"I don't like it so it's bad!!!!"
*stomps feet like a small child*
Christ.....


Nah, just poking at the user who signed up on a Bioware board to discuss JRPG's and trash Bioware games.


The "if it's not my preference it should disappear from the world" mentality just rubs me the wrong way.
Intentional trolling of a troll.....has its benefits I'll admit. Or just poking fun at Busom....

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........watersports

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scyphozoa wrote...

chiliztri wrote...
Little known fact, most dubs sound like crap. The Japanese voices, IMO, sound way better.


truth. i've never understood how anyone can prefer dubs to subs. with most dubs you lose all emotion in the voice acting. i rather hear the inflections of tone in the japanese language and read the subs than hear terrrrribad emotionless dub voices.


Agree completely. Haven't watched a dubbed......anything....in years. I watch all foreign films with subs. Things like anime and Japanese games really get hit hard with dubs. It's gotten way better but no where near perfect.

I think it has to do with the way American voice actors approach Japanese "cartoons" (anime). That's the problem. They see them as cartoons. They then try to add that wacky American flair that always seems to pop up in said genre. But much of that genre is not intended to be wacky and childish so you lose all sense of real human emotion.

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Wicked 702 wrote...

Agree completely. Haven't watched a dubbed......anything....in years. I watch all foreign films with subs. Things like anime and Japanese games really get hit hard with dubs. It's gotten way better but no where near perfect.

I think it has to do with the way American voice actors approach Japanese "cartoons" (anime). That's the problem. They see them as cartoons. They then try to add that wacky American flair that always seems to pop up in said genre. But much of that genre is not intended to be wacky and childish so you lose all sense of real human emotion.


I have no problems with any of the english dubbed anime's on adult swim (ie. Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist, Bleach, Code Geass, Cowboy Bebop, etc).

However, as a rule of thumb, dubs are total s***.

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Why all this hate? It's like trying to make an apple into an orange. Bioware makes entirely different game and yes they've been epic but final fantasy is catered to a different type of gamer. I don't mind them (all but X2).



It's not fair to compare the two. Square Enix is good at what they do and they do have a fan base. I think the key point in FF games is fantasy, where as the Bioware team seem to make games that sort of blur that line. The whole point of an RPG is to take you out of the real world and these companies do just that and they both do it well.



As for a marriage of the two. I doubt it will work. Like I said you can't make an apple into an orange. They're just too different.

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All SquarEnix has to do to win me back is let me be a man... or a woman over the age 25. Also I'd like to dress my self in something not glam if I am in fact the savior of the world/reality. Oh and make the game non linear.

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Weiser_Cain wrote...

All SquarEnix has to do to win me back is let me be a man... or a woman over the age 25. Also I'd like to dress my self in something not glam if I am in fact the savior of the world/reality. Oh and make the game non linear.


Lightning is 21. That's fairly old for Square's protagonists.

The rest....not so much with this one.

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To OP's title...no.



They joined up with Enix so they would never have to do something like that.

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Nah, no more final fantasies. Make a damn new IP Squeenix


I couldn't agree more. FF13 has got me dreading any future FF's. The next FF should be called FFS (For F's Sake). But they wont stop at 14, 15, or 30. There will never be a FINAL Final Fantasy.

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Western RPGs were mocked and hated because they were just 1st Person Shooters. Let’s face it, most people do not like 1st Person RPGs. In fact Borderlands is the only recent 1st Person RPG to actually sell well in a very, very long time.


Thats BS. Please don't post drivel about things you know nothing off. Your personal preferences are not everyone's.

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DEFINITELY. I'm an ex-FF fan, was until X. I'm all Bioware now but I still have a lot of respect for the old FFs. Lots of fun with them.



Let Sakaguchi be the producer, Bioware handles the rest and Nobuo Uematsu does the soundtrack. There. Best game ever.

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Seriously, what am I gonna do when Nobuo Uematsu passes away? What the heck will FF music become?

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I just wish they would bring back the damn "open world" so i could do some exploring, It was extremely satisfying finding hidden towns and rare monsters and gave at least some freedom.

After FF9 they stopped doing them, why they think this railroad approach is better beats me, but i'm tired of it.

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Appolo90 wrote...

Seriously, what am I gonna do when Nobuo Uematsu passes away? What the heck will FF music become?


They'll most likely turn to the superior composer in Yasunori Mitsuda.