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Jebel Krong

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Guardian295 wrote...

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Morning.

About Miranda having more female fans than Tali, I wouldn't know because I don't visit that thread. But Miranda grabbed my attention from the moment she shot Wilson. She's no nonsense, unapologetic ally does what needs to be done and more than capable of taking care of herself. She's passionately committed to a cause, and her eventual rejection of that cause is based purely on principal. Tali and Liara come off as auxiliaries to Shepard. He's the most important thing in their world. Liara pretty much snaps because she "couldn't let you go" and Tali has a massive case of hero worship. Not so Miranda. She has prior goals, ties, and principals. She won't throw them over for Shepard. When he dies again, she'll grieve, but she wouldn't make some devil's bargain in hope of bringing him back. In fact, she's one of the few characters I would trust to take Shep out if he were indoctrinated. And she's abile to have a boyfriend without becoming weaker or less competent.

How could I not love that?

Morning jtav
after reading that I realized something
out of all the sqaud mates she is probable the only one who could be consider to be Shepards equal
or is that just meImage IPB


well miranda benefits from being introduced later than the others, so it's not directly comparable - how would shepard's death, for example, impact miranda in me3? impossible to say at this juncture. however, in-game she is a stronger and better-developed personality than tali or liara, that could be down to me2's better characterisation and more mature storytelling though.

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Yvonne! *swoon*

Sorry I can't help but doing that every once in a while.

Nothing wrong with swooning... or squeeing. ;)

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Also, gutty47, your avatar is awesome!

Shamelessly taken from: http://cheeseboy1819...awson-152749130. I can't take any credit even though I wish I could. ^_^

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No, you're not gutty. I think the Paragon ending isn't about her choosing Shepard. It's about her deciding that some things cannot be justified and she won't do them or allow them to be done. She has a new master, all right: her conscience.

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gutty47 wrote...

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I am aware. It would be disingenuous of me to ignore the fact that the game allows Shepard to be very, very persuasive. Like Shepard's ability to convince a hardened spy to drop her former employer in favor of him and his ideals.

Shepard could persuade the grim reaper not to take him.... :whistle:

I don't really like the paragon and renegade 'solve every argument' options.


Thats why I use all kinds of choices (red, blue, and the regular options) depending on what the situation calls for or what sounds the best to me.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Um Jtav have you read the books or even listened to Liara. She did not know if Shepard was dead or alive, she went looking for him and ran into Cerberus. It was Miri and Liara who worked together to get Shepard back. Tali however is one of those shy girls who has a huge rush on a hero.


"working together" is stretching the definition somewhat, if you are referring to the comics...:huh:

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@ gutty: I don't think that she chooses a new master in Shep, more like a partner or friend. She does seem to develop a conscience or at least let it guide her actions towards the end of the game instead of blindly following Cerberus.

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"working together" is stretching the definition somewhat, if you are referring to the comics...:huh:

Miranda isn't so much working together with Liara but she is definitely a backup if Liara fails. Miranda already had an opportunity to get Shepard's body without Liara's help in Redemption #3 but was ordered to stand down by TIM.

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gutty47 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

"working together" is stretching the definition somewhat, if you are referring to the comics...:huh:

Miranda isn't so much working together with Liara but she is definitely a backup if Liara fails. Miranda already had an opportunity to get Shepard's body without Liara's help in Redemption #3 but was ordered to stand down by TIM.


exactly. and she wasn't best pleased about missing the obvious opportunity, either.

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MassAffected wrote...

@ gutty: I don't think that she chooses a new master in Shep, more like a partner or friend. She does seem to develop a conscience or at least let it guide her actions towards the end of the game instead of blindly following Cerberus.


Very well said.

Good morning thread. Was up waaaaaaaaay too late playing DA:O... ugh.

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BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.

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jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.

Your most easily identified feature is putting favourite characters through unflattering scenarios. We know you love Miranda. :D

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jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.


You worry far too much about your rep. If we didn't like you, you'd be gone already! :P We know you love Miranda, besides you're one of the few people who can still come up with interesting subjects to discuss.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

exactly. and she wasn't best pleased about missing the obvious opportunity, either.

There is a supposed Cerberus asset already in play and finding out who or what this asset is is my primary reason to get Redemption #4.

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jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.


Everyone has their unique opinion on Miranda, it would be terrible if you had to go back on some of the things you've said because someone might not agree. A lot of the things you say make me think about how I view Miranda and sometimes I see where I might be wrong or you open my eyes up to another set of possibilities I haven't considered before. So no, you're fine as far as I'm concerned.

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Jediknight120 wrote...
Good morning thread. Was up waaaaaaaaay too late playing DA:O... ugh.


Morning! Been there with DAO, I was playing it in 10 hours shifts the first 6 weeks I had it.

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jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.


I just figure it is a compulsion.  Since we all have her up on a pedestal of awesomeness you have an inate desire to tear her down.  It is good to have people around to challenge our notions, a rebel to stir the pot, an iconoclast if you will.

Modifié par Valmy, 31 mars 2010 - 03:18 .


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Jediknight120 wrote...
Very well said.

Good morning thread. Was up waaaaaaaaay too late playing DA:O... ugh.


At least it was for a good cause!

I know once I started a quest I was totally engrossed until I finished it.  It got my wife a little worried for my sanity a few times.

'You stayed up until 2 AM?!  This computer game stuff is way out of control!'

I tried to explain it was just that one evil game and not computer games in general.

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Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.


I just figure it is a compulsion.  Since we all have her up on a pedestal of awesomeness you have an inate desire for to tear her down.  It is good to have people around to challenge our notions, a rebel to stir the pot, an iconoclast if you will.

A heretic to burn at the stake....:devil:

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jtav wrote...

No, you're not gutty. I think the Paragon ending isn't about her choosing Shepard. It's about her deciding that some things cannot be justified and she won't do them or allow them to be done. She has a new master, all right: her conscience.

MassAffected wrote...

@ gutty: I don't think that she chooses a new master in Shep, more like a partner or friend. She does seem to develop a conscience or at least let it guide her actions towards the end of the game instead of blindly following Cerberus.

Before I go on I have to say I agree with the 'Miranda grows a conscience' theory.

*puts on hat*

However as I said, it could be argued that Miranda has chosen a new master. In the paragon ending, Miranda realises that Shepard is greater than TIM. Initially she hears from TIM that Shepard is humanity's greatest hope and possibly the only way to defeat the reapers. When Shepard defies TIM's order to hand over the collector base, Miranda realises Shepard is a greater master than TIM and thus she chooses to follow him.

In the renegade ending, Miranda realises that Shepard is just following TIM's orders and starts to question Shepard's decision. She may even rechoose TIM as her master or more likely become her own master as there is none worth following.

*takes off hat*

Talking ill of Miranda makes my head sore... and I don't think my argument makes much sense but whatever, maybe it'll spark something interesting to discuss.

Modifié par gutty47, 31 mars 2010 - 03:21 .


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gutty47 wrote...

jtav wrote...

No, you're not gutty. I think the Paragon ending isn't about her choosing Shepard. It's about her deciding that some things cannot be justified and she won't do them or allow them to be done. She has a new master, all right: her conscience.

MassAffected wrote...

@ gutty: I don't think that she chooses a new master in Shep, more like a partner or friend. She does seem to develop a conscience or at least let it guide her actions towards the end of the game instead of blindly following Cerberus.

Before I go on I have to say I agree with the 'Miranda grows a conscience' theory.

*puts on hat*

However as I said, it could be argued that Miranda has chosen a new master. In the paragon ending, Miranda realises that Shepard is greater than TIM. Initially she hears from TIM that Shepard is humanity's greatest hope and possibly the only way to defeat the reapers. When Shepard defies TIM's order to hand over the collector base, Miranda realises Shepard is a greater master than TIM and thus she chooses to follow him.

In the renegade ending, Miranda realises that Shepard is just following TIM's orders and starts to question Shepard's decision. She may even rechoose TIM as her master or more likely become her own master as there is none worth following.

*takes off hat*

Talking ill of Miranda makes my head sore... and I don't think my argument makes much sense but whatever, maybe it'll spark something interesting to discuss.


With the Paragon ending I still argue that she ISN'T choosing a new master. Why? Because she knows that Shepard would NEVER use her or view her as a tool to be used.

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MassAffected wrote...

With the Paragon ending I still argue that she ISN'T choosing a new master. Why? Because she knows that Shepard would NEVER use her or view her as a tool to be used.

Isn't Shepard using everyone as a tool to help him/her defeat the reapers?

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gutty47 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

With the Paragon ending I still argue that she ISN'T choosing a new master. Why? Because she knows that Shepard would NEVER use her or view her as a tool to be used.

Isn't Shepard using everyone as a tool to help him/her defeat the reapers?


I guess that depends on your view of "using." If you go full Renegade Shep, then yes I think he is just using people as tools. Paragon Shep views them more as comrades than as tools, IMHO.

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Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

BTW: do I need to touch up my rep or something? It seems I'm only jnown for suggesting bad things about Miranda.


I just figure it is a compulsion.  Since we all have her up on a pedestal of awesomeness you have an inate desire to tear her down.  It is good to have people around to challenge our notions, a rebel to stir the pot, an iconoclast if you will.


Valmy, I suspect you may be right. On the old thread, my first post asked what Miranda's new job might be and received a response to the effect that she'd be too busy having sex with Shepard. You don't want to know what my reaction to that was. Ever since, I've tried to focus on Miranda the hyper-competent but emotionally damaged Cerberus operative, not Miranda the sex object. Besides, the more obstacles she overcomes, the sweeter the happy ending.

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jtav wrote...
Speaking of, am I the only one who thinks one of Miranda's duties on the mission was to kill Shepard if he proved uncontrollable?

There are people who *don't* think that? For me it was pretty clear that she was there to keep an eye on Shepard. I don't know what else could be considered as "uncontrollable", but the scene at the end shows it clearly: TIM orders Miranda to prevent Shepard's destroying the base, and he expects her to use force if necessary

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gutty47 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

With the Paragon ending I still argue that she ISN'T choosing a new master. Why? Because she knows that Shepard would NEVER use her or view her as a tool to be used.

Isn't Shepard using everyone as a tool to help him/her defeat the reapers?


If he was USING them, he wouldn't CARE about them. It really boils down to how people play their Sheps. I've always considered this while playing, if at any given time one of the squad members was to come up to Shep and tell him they couldn't do it...I would let them go. Shep has been used by the Alliance and the Council, hell everyone uses him for one thing or another...I just don't think that he would do that to someone else. If he had to go to the Collector base by himself he would do it. And all this with a Spacer/Ruthless background ;p