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[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jtav wrote...

One of these days I'm going to write a Shepard/Miranda sex scene that's actually romantic. Or I will bribe some writer I admire to do it for me. *grumbles*

Good luck trying to get in contact with Drew or Walters, why can't they be like Gaider? Least Gaider is on the DAO forums and fills in plotholes and helps peopl who don't understand the story, yet Drew is off writing books and such and Walters has his finger up his ass.

Hey, she said some writers she *admired*. I don't know who Walters is, but the other two are average at best at the actual writing.

Walters was the second lead writer for ME2 and getting in contact withj him or Drew is almost second to none since they don't go on the forums. Gaider does and he cwas the lead writer for DAO.

I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 01 avril 2010 - 05:11 .

[jtav]

@Iedra: I like Gaider, at least his game scripts. He's not fantastic at novel form. I'd prefer some like Bujold. Alas, the only scenes I can come up with are heavily tied to the "prior relationship" story I'm kicking around.I find the idea of having sex with someone for the first time right before near-certain death more stressful than romantic.

[MassAffected]

Sorry, I so zoned out just now...found out I'm going on a cruise pretty much already paid for. Really stoked here.



@ jtav: WRITE IT!!! I like your writing style, even if sometimes I don't like whats written...I still enjoy reading it because you're a good writer.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

@Iedra: I like Gaider, at least his game scripts. He's not fantastic at novel form. I'd prefer some like Bujold. Alas, the only scenes I can come up with are heavily tied to the "prior relationship" story I'm kicking around.I find the idea of having sex with someone for the first time right before near-certain death more stressful than romantic.

Drew is your man Jtav. Just read his books and replay BG2, KOTOR, Jade Empire and he wrote the ME trilogy, races and the overall universe, Walter created alot of the characters in ME2. He is a very good writer.

[jtav]

@MA: Congrats!

@kraidy: I read his books. Let's leave it there.

[MassAffected]

As far as the romance pack goes, if you read the little "interview" Ray says that they would focus more on the romance and interactions with your LI instead of shooter action. So I don't think that we would be running off to save the day, but rather it would be a little bit of fluff and more character development. I could be wrong of course and it would all culminate in a big mission at the end.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

@MA: Congrats!
@kraidy: I read his books. Let's leave it there.

The point that you don't like drews work boogles the mind.

[Jediknight120]

MassAffected wrote...

As far as the romance pack goes, if you read the little "interview" Ray says that they would focus more on the romance and interactions with your LI instead of shooter action. So I don't think that we would be running off to save the day, but rather it would be a little bit of fluff and more character development. I could be wrong of course and it would all culminate in a big mission at the end.

Personally, I would much rather have fluff. It'd probably be easier to do than a full mission. Just some dialogue and interactions with your LI sounds great.

[jtav]

Fluff is good. Long as it's character appropriate.
@kraidy: They're okay. Read once, discard.

Modifié par jtav, 01 avril 2010 - 05:27 .

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.

Edit:
As for Karpyshyn's Star Wars books, I don't know them, but I'd be very surprised if they were nearly as good as those by Hambly or Zahn.
   

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 05:33 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.
   

So thats why people want Sanders to be in ME3? or the point that alot of peopple are feel sorry for Paul? The characters are very good and Acension did a fantastic job leading up to ME2 and I hope the next one does fantastic job building up ME3.

Also Darth Banes trilogy is not based on video games at all, it's based on the star wars universe and is cited as some of the best books in sci-fi.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 01 avril 2010 - 05:33 .

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

Fluff is good. Long as it's character appropriate.
@kraidy: They're okay. Read once, discard.

Yeah, I hope they don't go overboard with the sappy moments and lovey dovey stuff...they need to be careful and have the characters actually stay in character. I'd like the romance pack to focus on character development if anything. I would also like a "buddy pack" that explores friendships outside of the LI as well.

[MassAffected]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.
   

So thats why people want Sanders to be in ME3? or the point that alot of peopple are feel sorry for Paul? The characters are very good and Acension did a fantastic job leading up to ME2 and I hope the next one does fantastic job building up ME3.

Also Darth Banes trilogy is not based on video games at all, it's based on the star wars universe and is cited as some of the best books in sci-fi.

OT, love the Darth Bane books...I really enjoyed them a lot.

[kraidy1117]

MassAffected wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.
   

So thats why people want Sanders to be in ME3? or the point that alot of peopple are feel sorry for Paul? The characters are very good and Acension did a fantastic job leading up to ME2 and I hope the next one does fantastic job building up ME3.

Also Darth Banes trilogy is not based on video games at all, it's based on the star wars universe and is cited as some of the best books in sci-fi.

OT, love the Darth Bane books...I really enjoyed them a lot.

They where very good, great insight on how the rule of two started and more in depth look at Sith culture.

[firecleaner]

MassAffected wrote...

jtav wrote...

Fluff is good. Long as it's character appropriate.
@kraidy: They're okay. Read once, discard.

Yeah, I hope they don't go overboard with the sappy moments and lovey dovey stuff...they need to be careful and have the characters actually stay in character. I'd like the romance pack to focus on character development if anything. I would also like a "buddy pack" that explores friendships outside of the LI as well.

Agreed if it is too sappy I will be dissapointed...

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.
   

So thats why people want Sanders to be in ME3? or the point that alot of peopple are feel sorry for Paul? The characters are very good and Acension did a fantastic job leading up to ME2 and I hope the next one does fantastic job building up ME3.

It only takes a few lines to create empathy. Good characterization is more than that.

Also Darth Banes trilogy is not based on video games at all, it's based on the star wars universe and is cited as some of the best books in sci-fi.

The best books in Sci-Fi? Says who? You know, the genre has a pretty long history with lots of classics and lots of contemporary authors who write very well. I think if he was nearly as good as some of those, I'd have notived by now. But admittedly, I haven't read his SW books.Perhaps he's better writing in worlds he didn't create himself.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 05:41 .

[jtav]

kraidy: I like Kahlee and the others. That doesn't make Karpyshyn a great writer. His prose is servicable, but not inspired and his worldbuilding *is* flimsy. He won't be getting a Hugho any time soon. In fairness, these books aren't meant to be savored, just to pass an hour or two. Literary fast food. I'd rather trust that love scene I mentioned to someone else.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I might add that writing for a game and writing a book are very different things. I like Gaider's writing in DAO, if he was the lead, but his books are, as I said, average at best.

Drew can do both he wrote the ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made. Drew is the best writer in the industry.

Also those books where Gaiders first and they where not that bad, so give him some slack, they could have been better but not bad for new things.

Being the best writer (of novels) in the gaming industry doesn't say much. Almost all game-related fiction is average at best.

Karpyshyn is no exception. In his ME books are any indication (I don't know the others), his worldbuilding is crap, his characterizations are shallow. His books are, granted, somewhat exciting and easy to read, but nothing I'd read more than once. Nothing, in fact, I'd ever read if it wasn't related to a game I like.

Gaider, I agree, has potential. But he needs to get away from gaming conventions when he writes books. His imagination is tainted by gaming tropes and standards, which makes many scenes artificial where they needn't be, even if you write a story set in a universe from a game.
   

So thats why people want Sanders to be in ME3? or the point that alot of peopple are feel sorry for Paul? The characters are very good and Acension did a fantastic job leading up to ME2 and I hope the next one does fantastic job building up ME3.

It only takes a few lines to create empathy. Good characterization is more than that.

Also Darth Banes trilogy is not based on video games at all, it's based on the star wars universe and is cited as some of the best books in sci-fi.

The best books in Sci-Fi? Says who? You know, the genre has a pretty long history with lots of classics and lots of contemporary authors who write very well. I think if he was nearly as good as some of those, I'd have notived by now. But admittedly, I haven't read his SW books.Perhaps he's better writing in worlds he didn't create himself.

Says star wars fans who read the books, and just because you have not read them does not make them bad. Also I said some of the best, not the best. There is alot of books better then them, but the Bane trilogy was very well done and you should red them before you throw around the "Drew sucks"

[SithLordExarKun]

Personally i never liked Drew's writing. Mostly due to him and his habit of writing annoying gary stu's like bane and kahlee sanders.

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

kraidy: I like Kahlee and the others. That doesn't make Karpyshyn a great writer. His prose is servicable, but not inspired and his worldbuilding *is* flimsy. He won't be getting a Hugho any time soon. In fairness, these books aren't meant to be savored, just to pass an hour or two. Literary fast food. I'd rather trust that love scene I mentioned to someone else.

Talk to a person who has not read Acension and see if they are lost in ME2. 90% are lost if they did not read the book because Acension builds up ME2 very well and are showen many things that are importent in ME2.

-We are introduced to TIm and how he acts
-we are showen that the Alliance ist aking care of Biotics now and a better school program ism ade
-We are showen Cerberus in better detail
-We see that Cerberus is very well connected and funded
-We are introduced to Omega and the Collectors (both playing huge parts in ME2)
--We are showen the Migrant fleet and why they hate Cerberus
-Paul betrays TIm and this makes TIM lose alot of money and this sets the stage for the next book and even ME2

If you are expecting Lord of the rings or Harry Potter from Drew then thats your fault.  Acension and even the first book did a good job at what the point of the books where, to give a deeper understanding of the Galaxy and building to each game.

[MassAffected]

Except Bane WAS a "gary stu"...he was supposed to be that way.

[jtav]

And all this started because I said I wanted someone to rewrite the engine room scene. *shakes head*

[Andysilv]

MassAffected wrote...

jtav wrote...

Fluff is good. Long as it's character appropriate.
@kraidy: They're okay. Read once, discard.

Yeah, I hope they don't go overboard with the sappy moments and lovey dovey stuff...they need to be careful and have the characters actually stay in character. I'd like the romance pack to focus on character development if anything. I would also like a "buddy pack" that explores friendships outside of the LI as well.

QFT, man, QFT. I have nothing else to add.

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

And all this started because I said I wanted someone to rewrite the engine room scene. *shakes head*

It IS your fault...

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

And all this started because I said I wanted someone to rewrite the engine room scene. *shakes head*

It's fine as it is. Would I have rather they do it in her room? Yes, but theres nothing you can do. Blame Walters for it since he wrote majority of the stuff for ME2, lets hope Drew takes the lead in ME3.