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[gutty47]

Because its 5am and my eyes are bleeding.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jtav wrote...

kraidy: I like Kahlee and the others. That doesn't make Karpyshyn a great writer. His prose is servicable, but not inspired and his worldbuilding *is* flimsy. He won't be getting a Hugho any time soon. In fairness, these books aren't meant to be savored, just to pass an hour or two. Literary fast food. I'd rather trust that love scene I mentioned to someone else.

Talk to a person who has not read Acension and see if they are lost in ME2. 90% are lost if they did not read the book because Acension builds up ME2 very well and are showen many things that are importent in ME2.

-We are introduced to TIm and how he acts
-we are showen that the Alliance ist aking care of Biotics now and a better school program ism ade
-We are showen Cerberus in better detail
-We see that Cerberus is very well connected and funded
-We are introduced to Omega and the Collectors (both playing huge parts in ME2)
--We are showen the Migrant fleet and why they hate Cerberus
-Paul betrays TIm and this makes TIM lose alot of money and this sets the stage for the next book and even ME2

If you are expecting Lord of the rings or Harry Potter from Drew then thats your fault.  Acension and even the first book did a good job at what the point of the books where, to give a deeper understanding of the Galaxy and building to each game.

Neither jtav nor I said we expected more than "literary fast food" from him. That's OK. I do read the books, you know. At least they're not boring. But *you* made the claim Karpyshyn wrote some of the best books in SF - which says, to me, that you'd put them in the same class as LotR and Harry Potter if they were fantasy. And that's clearly wrong.

Ah, and BTW: you don't need to read Ascension to understand ME2. You *may* need either to have played ME1 *or* to have read Ascension.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 06:07 .

[jtav]

Nothing I can do? I can write my own or enjoy another fan's. I don't need everything I want to happen in game.

[Maria Caliban]

gutty47 wrote...

Because its 5am and my eyes are bleeding.

Hyp... not.. ic

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Nothing I can do? I can write my own or enjoy another fan's. I don't need everything I want to happen in game.

But it would still be nice. Wouldn't it?

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

jtav wrote...

kraidy: I like Kahlee and the others. That doesn't make Karpyshyn a great writer. His prose is servicable, but not inspired and his worldbuilding *is* flimsy. He won't be getting a Hugho any time soon. In fairness, these books aren't meant to be savored, just to pass an hour or two. Literary fast food. I'd rather trust that love scene I mentioned to someone else.

Talk to a person who has not read Acension and see if they are lost in ME2. 90% are lost if they did not read the book because Acension builds up ME2 very well and are showen many things that are importent in ME2.

-We are introduced to TIm and how he acts
-we are showen that the Alliance ist aking care of Biotics now and a better school program ism ade
-We are showen Cerberus in better detail
-We see that Cerberus is very well connected and funded
-We are introduced to Omega and the Collectors (both playing huge parts in ME2)
--We are showen the Migrant fleet and why they hate Cerberus
-Paul betrays TIm and this makes TIM lose alot of money and this sets the stage for the next book and even ME2

If you are expecting Lord of the rings or Harry Potter from Drew then thats your fault.  Acension and even the first book did a good job at what the point of the books where, to give a deeper understanding of the Galaxy and building to each game.

Neither jtav nor I said we expected more than "literary fast food" from him. That's OK. I do read the books, you know. At least they're not boring. But *you* made the claim Karpyshyn wrote some of the best books in SF - which says, to me, that you'd put them in the same class as LotR and Harry Potter if they were fantasy. And that's clearly wrong.

No I said his star wars books where some of the best, that does not mean much because even the best star wars book is not that good compared to laot of sci-fi. I would not put any of his books near Harry Potter and LotR. Doing so would be just plain stupid. I exepct decents books from Drew and I am always satisfied with them.

[MassAffected]

I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Nothing I can do? I can write my own or enjoy another fan's. I don't need everything I want to happen in game.

But it would still be nice. Wouldn't it?

Only when they do it well. A lot of theories I come up with are "what if?" mire than "that totally happened" in any case.

I must say, it's kind of creepy how we're in lockstep when it comes to romance, literature, and Miranda.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Neither jtav nor I said we expected more than "literary fast food" from him. That's OK. I do read the books, you know. At least they're not boring. But *you* made the claim Karpyshyn wrote some of the best books in SF - which says, to me, that you'd put them in the same class as LotR and Harry Potter if they were fantasy. And that's clearly wrong.

No I said his star wars books where some of the best, that does not mean much because even the best star wars book is not that good compared to laot of sci-fi. I would not put any of his books near Harry Potter and LotR. Doing so would be just plain stupid. I exepct decents books from Drew and I am always satisfied with them.

I think we are more or less agreed now. But I can't leave it alone yet. You know, you *did* say:

Drew can do both ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png he wrote the
ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made.

Perhaps you understand now why I reacted as I did.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 06:13 .

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Nothing I can do? I can write my own or enjoy another fan's. I don't need everything I want to happen in game.

But it would still be nice. Wouldn't it?

Only when they do it well. A lot of theories I come up with are "what if?" mire than "that totally happened" in any case.

I must say, it's kind of creepy how we're in lockstep when it comes to romance, literature, and Miranda.

Clones...

[Ieldra]

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Neither jtav nor I said we expected more than "literary fast food" from him. That's OK. I do read the books, you know. At least they're not boring. But *you* made the claim Karpyshyn wrote some of the best books in SF - which says, to me, that you'd put them in the same class as LotR and Harry Potter if they were fantasy. And that's clearly wrong.

No I said his star wars books where some of the best, that does not mean much because even the best star wars book is not that good compared to laot of sci-fi. I would not put any of his books near Harry Potter and LotR. Doing so would be just plain stupid. I exepct decents books from Drew and I am always satisfied with them.

I think we are more or less agreed now. But I can't leave it alone yet. You know, you *did* say:

Drew can do both ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png he wrote the
ME universe, was one of the lead writers for KOTOR, Jade Empire, ME2 and he wrote those two fantastic books in the ME universe, wrote a Baldurs Gate book which was great and those three star wars books based on Darth
Bane that is knowen as some of the best sci-fi books ever made.

Perhaps you understand now why I reacted as I did.

Bolded for you, but anyways I don't think Drews work can even come close to such masterpeacis like lord of the Rings, but in termsw of the video game industry and taking the media into book form, he does the best job and and Lucasbooks giving him the rights to write about Darth Bane and showing how the rule of two started shows that alot of book companys are seeing the potenial of outstanding video game writers. Can Drw approve his book writing skills? Yes he can, but is he a terriable writer? Not at all.

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

Its more like a one-sided mauling...

[firecleaner]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

This reminds me of my AP Lit class, in high school, man was I way over my head.

[DarthReavus]

MassAffected wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

Its more like a one-sided mauling...

Still entertaining though... *noms on nachos*

[AccursedOdin]

MassAffected wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

Its more like a one-sided mauling...

Didn't you get the memo? The winner is always the one who gets the most enjoyment out of well...anything.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Nothing I can do? I can write my own or enjoy another fan's. I don't need everything I want to happen in game.

But it would still be nice. Wouldn't it?

Only when they do it well. A lot of theories I come up with are "what if?" mire than "that totally happened" in any case.

I must say, it's kind of creepy how we're in lockstep when it comes to romance, literature, and Miranda.

Perhaps I should mention I don't like Discworld much except for the first two books or so. Nor is Bujold among my favorites, from the four or so books I've read by her, although I admit she does write well.

Otherwise I don't think it's creepy. It seems we're both book people. You look differently at game characters and stories in general if you've read a lot of books, and different ones. I guess ComTrav would agree, too. Too bad he seems to have left.

[WetbiscuitMcGee]

Can't we all just get along?!

Check it out:

http://social.bioware.com/brc/1429522

[MassAffected]

AccursedOdin wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking everyone needs to chill out here.

We're having an exciting debate. I enjoy this verbal fencing.

Its more like a one-sided mauling...

Didn't you get the memo? The winner is always the one who gets the most enjoyment out of well...anything.

Must have been in my spam folder...

[DarthReavus]

WetbiscuitMcGee wrote...

Can't we all just get along?!

Check it out:

http://social.bioware.com/brc/1429522

Spamming for tokens I'm guessing.  Be gone vile spammer! <_<

[AccursedOdin]

WetbiscuitMcGee wrote...

Can't we all just get along?!

Check it out:

http://social.bioware.com/brc/1429522

We get it. You want us to buy things...

[St. Cajetan]

Fascinating discussion. I still have to read Ascension; sounds like there is a lot of stage-setting for ME2 there. I did read the comic books, though... but I think Mac Walters wrote those, not Drew Karpyshyn. I loved the writing for the ME games... very dramatic sci-fi. It's got to be a challenge to write for a game when the protagonist's personality is player-defined (to some degree anyway).

Edit: wow, that animal is scary.

Modifié par St. Cajetan, 01 avril 2010 - 06:31 .

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Bolded for you, but anyways I don't think Drews work can even come close to such masterpeacis like lord of the Rings, but in termsw of the video game industry and taking the media into book form, he does the best job and and Lucasbooks giving him the rights to write about Darth Bane and showing how the rule of two started shows that alot of book companys are seeing the potenial of outstanding video game writers. Can Drw approve his book writing skills? Yes he can, but is he a terriable writer? Not at all.

So LucasArts has never given rights to write about certain characters to bad writers? I haven't read many Star Wars books, but I very much doubt that.

I do know the SW books by Hambly and the first three by Zahn. It's very long ago that I read them, so my memory might be shaky, but if Karpyshyn's writing in the Darth Bane trilogy is comparable to his ME books, he falls far behind.

As for recognizing the potential of authors from the gaming industry - forgive my cynicism. They would do better if they used authors not from the gaming industry, but those often don't want to write Star Wars books, because the world and LucasArts restrict their imagination too much. So they must make do with second-class authors - some of which may become first-class authors - who will then immediately leave the Star Wars universe behind. Exceptions notwithstanding.

Edit:
Heh - discussion about books. It always makes me forget I'm tired.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 06:36 .