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[jtav]

In an attempt to turn this thread back to Miranda, here is what I would change about the engine room scene.
--Set it somewhere else or before the kidnapping. I should not be thinking of why the room is empty. I like the visual of Miranda sitting on the edge of the consoled while Shep kisses her. It's not the room per se I have a problem with.
--An acknowledgment of what they're going into. Probably set it up similar to the kiss. She's worried and he attempts to distract her with teasing. She plays along. I've already said that I think she finds safe verbal sparring erotic. You do the math.
--Afterglow scene with stroking kissing. Now would be a good time for a call back to the "promise" scene. Have her say "It's worth it" if the player chose that option

@Iedra: you've heard of Bujold and Pratchett, though. At this point, that counts.

Modifié par jtav, 01 avril 2010 - 06:37 .

[DarthReavus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Bolded for you, but anyways I don't think Drews work can even come close to such masterpeacis like lord of the Rings, but in termsw of the video game industry and taking the media into book form, he does the best job and and Lucasbooks giving him the rights to write about Darth Bane and showing how the rule of two started shows that alot of book companys are seeing the potenial of outstanding video game writers. Can Drw approve his book writing skills? Yes he can, but is he a terriable writer? Not at all.

So LucasArts has never given rights to write about certain characters to bad writers? I haven't read many Star Wars books, but I very much doubt that.

I do know the SW books by Hambly and the first three by Zahn. It's very long ago that I read them, so my memory might be shaky, but if Karpyshyn's writing in the Darth Bane trilogy is comparable to his ME books, he falls far behind.

I have to agree with you there Ieldra, Timothy Zahn's first trilogy of Star Wars books were truly brilliant pieces of writing.  To me the character of Grand Admiral Thrawn is one of the best "villain" character, and indeed one of the best characters I've read in the last ten or fifteen years.

[MassAffected]

*leaves thread*

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
In an attempt to turn this thread back to Miranda, here is what I would change about the engine room scene.
--Set it somewhere else or before the kidnapping. I should not be thinking of why the room is empty. I like the visual of Miranda sitting on the edge of the consoled while Shep kisses her. It's not the room per se I have a problem with.

I have. A little bit. The first part is very nice, but when Shepard goes to lie on his back on the metal floor - which looks a bit bumpy - I always go "ouch!" in my mind. As the scene goes on, I keep thinking "He must have a very cold butt."  I'd prefer another location.

--An acknowledgment of what they're going into. Probably set it up similar to the kiss. She's worried and he attempts to distract her with teasing. She plays along. I've already said that I think she finds safe verbal sparring erotic. You do the math.

Math and sex? A strange combination... (I agree with this)

--Afterglow scene with stroking kissing. Now would be a good time for a call back to the "promise" scene. Have her say "It's worth it" if the player chose that option.

IIRC, there was talk about "It's worth it" being "their" words a while back. I would like that, and consequently they should appear here, too.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 06:45 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Bolded for you, but anyways I don't think Drews work can even come close to such masterpeacis like lord of the Rings, but in termsw of the video game industry and taking the media into book form, he does the best job and and Lucasbooks giving him the rights to write about Darth Bane and showing how the rule of two started shows that alot of book companys are seeing the potenial of outstanding video game writers. Can Drw approve his book writing skills? Yes he can, but is he a terriable writer? Not at all.

So LucasArts has never given rights to write about certain characters to bad writers? I haven't read many Star Wars books, but I very much doubt that.

I do know the SW books by Hambly and the first three by Zahn. It's very long ago that I read them, so my memory might be shaky, but if Karpyshyn's writing in the Darth Bane trilogy is comparable to his ME books, he falls far behind.

As for recognizing the potential of authors from the gaming industry - forgive my cynicism. They would do better if they used authors not from the gaming industry, but those often don't want to write Star Wars books, because the world and LucasArts restrict their imagination too much. So they must make do with second-class authors - some of which may become first-class authors - who will then immediately leave the Star Wars universe behind. Exceptions notwithstanding.

Edit:
Heh - discussion about books. It always makes me forget I'm tired.

Oh I never said that Lucasbooks gets bad authors, some books are down right bad, but they wanted someone to write about Darth Bane and Lucas picked Drew and alot of star wars fans love the books. Bane was an outstanding character, the creation of the rule of two was well done. Just becaue you might not like him does not mean he is a bad writer. Alot of people resepct Drew, he is not a J.K Rowling or even a J.R.R Toklen but compared to what he writes for )video game scripts) his books could be downright bad (like alot of video game books are) but all of Drews books are good reeads and very fun.Want to read a bad book, read the Gears of War books *shutters*

[MassAffected]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Bolded for you, but anyways I don't think Drews work can even come close to such masterpeacis like lord of the Rings, but in termsw of the video game industry and taking the media into book form, he does the best job and and Lucasbooks giving him the rights to write about Darth Bane and showing how the rule of two started shows that alot of book companys are seeing the potenial of outstanding video game writers. Can Drw approve his book writing skills? Yes he can, but is he a terriable writer? Not at all.

So LucasArts has never given rights to write about certain characters to bad writers? I haven't read many Star Wars books, but I very much doubt that.

I do know the SW books by Hambly and the first three by Zahn. It's very long ago that I read them, so my memory might be shaky, but if Karpyshyn's writing in the Darth Bane trilogy is comparable to his ME books, he falls far behind.

As for recognizing the potential of authors from the gaming industry - forgive my cynicism. They would do better if they used authors not from the gaming industry, but those often don't want to write Star Wars books, because the world and LucasArts restrict their imagination too much. So they must make do with second-class authors - some of which may become first-class authors - who will then immediately leave the Star Wars universe behind. Exceptions notwithstanding.

Edit:
Heh - discussion about books. It always makes me forget I'm tired.

Oh I never said that Lucasbooks gets bad authors, some books are down right bad, but they wanted someone to write about Darth Bane and Lucas picked Drew and alot of star wars fans love the books. Bane was an outstanding character, the creation of the rule of two was well done. Just becaue you might not like him does not mean he is a bad writer. Alot of people resepct Drew, he is not a J.K Rowling or even a J.R.R Toklen but compared to what he writes for )video game scripts) his books could be downright bad (like alot of video game books are) but all of Drews books are good reeads and very fun.Want to read a bad book, read the Gears of War books *shutters*

Karen Traviss?

[St. Cajetan]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Oh I never said that Lucasbooks gets bad authors, some books are down right bad, but they wanted someone to write about Darth Bane and Lucas picked Drew and alot of star wars fans love the books. Bane was an outstanding character, the creation of the rule of two was well done. Just becaue you might not like him does not mean he is a bad writer. Alot of people resepct Drew, he is not a J.K Rowling or even a J.R.R Toklen but compared to what he writes for )video game scripts) his books could be downright bad (like alot of video game books are) but all of Drews books are good reeads and very fun.Want to read a bad book, read the Gears of War books *shutters*

I can't believe they even make Gears of War books. Then again, I think I read a Doom novel way back in middle school.

I guess if there's a market for it...

[jtav]

@Iedra: You have a point about the floor, though it's not the cold I have a problem with. I'm taking notes here. Romance and erotica are not my strong suits, but I appear to be the only one willing to write this.

[SgtPotato]

jtav wrote...

@Iedra: You have a point about the floor, though it's not the cold I have a problem with. I'm taking notes here. Romance and erotica are not my strong suits, but I appear to be the only one willing to write this.

You're not the only one who willing to write romance/erotica fanfic, Kab is doing the same thing, too.

[jtav]

This scene, specifically. I'd be making no attempt at a novella.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Oh I never said that Lucasbooks gets bad authors, some books are down right bad, but they wanted someone to write about Darth Bane and Lucas picked Drew and alot of star wars fans love the books.

Forgive my cynicism again, but fans of anything can be somewhat narrow-minded about things. Give me an opinion by some people who've read SF books by at least ten different authors set in at least five different universes, of which at least two have not been made for a game, TV show or movie.

Bane was an outstanding character, the creation of the rule of two was well done.

People have said he was a Gary Stu. Among the first reviews of the third book I found were these two. Mixed opinions it seems.

Just becaue you might not like him does not mean he is a bad writer.

Actually, I do think if I say a book is bad, I have a point in doing so. I consider myself somewhat of an expert. Which also means I rarely just say a book is "bad". I usually qualify.
But - I did not say he was a bad writer. I said his ME books were average at best, which means average with some bad parts. The bad part was the worldbuilding. Everything else is serviceable and reasonably enjoyable, but also quickly forgotten. 

Want to read a bad book, read the Gears of War books *shutters*

Did Karen Traviss write a bad book? Ugh, that's disappointing. I only know her "Books of the Wess'har Wars", and they're very good.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 07:32 .

[Ieldra]

double post

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 07:21 .

[agentwaffle]

I can't say she is the best, but I think she had the most emotional loyalty quest. I really felt attached to her.

[Andysilv]

agentwaffle wrote...

I can't say she is the best, but I think she had the most emotional loyalty quest. I really felt attached to her.

It's nice to hear you appreciated Miranda after her loyalty mission, thanks for the support!

(Great username by the way)

[firecleaner]

agentwaffle wrote...

I can't say she is the best, but I think she had the most emotional loyalty quest. I really felt attached to her.

thanks for your support!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

@Iedra: You have a point about the floor, though it's not the cold I have a problem with. I'm taking notes here. Romance and erotica are not my strong suits, but I appear to be the only one willing to write this.

Perhaps the floor is warmed by the waste heat from the engines. Some cooling tubes running below the floor or so.

I keep thinking they should've brought a carpet for the bumpy floor But that would lessen the flow of the scene, I think. After things start, they're pretty passionate and completely focused on each other.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 07:29 .

[Ieldra]

agentwaffle wrote...

I can't say she is the best, but I think she had the most emotional loyalty quest. I really felt attached to her.

I did not see you before, yes? If yes, welcome to the Miranda thread. You might want to check out our Original Post and our group (see my sig).

And yes, her loyalty quest was very good. To be honest, Tali's was also very good.

[jtav]

Hi, agentwaffle.



Ieldra: the carpet would be comedy gold. As is, either bedroom works better.I assume they can lock the door at will, and Miranda's office probably isn't bugged.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra: the carpet would be comedy gold. As is, either bedroom works better.I assume they can lock the door at will, and Miranda's office probably isn't bugged.

Miranda's bedroom has this great window through which stars are visible. I think you can hardly get a more romantic location on the Normandy than in view of such a window. It may seem a bit stereotypical, but I like it anyway. Eh...it seems I'm particularly attracted to this "alone with each other and the universe" mood. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 07:46 .

[jtav]

Me too. I really am a hopeless romantic, really. *waits for shouts of "Liar!"*

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Me too. I really am a hopeless romantic, really. *waits for shouts of "Liar!"*

LOL. I'd never. I understand that you can be romantic while critical of romanticism, if that makes any sense.

And now I'll be off for the night (I wanted to play the rest of my ME game tonight - so much for that). BTW, did you notice that there haven't been any others on the thread for 40 more than half an hour. Unsual for this time of the day.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2010 - 08:04 .

[DarthReavus]

Aye, it is unusual. I'm around just got nothing to say for once. As for most of our American colleagues, I have no idea why they haven't arrived yet.

[Flashy91]

DarthReavus wrote...

Aye, it is unusual. I'm around just got nothing to say for once. As for most of our American colleagues, I have no idea why they haven't arrived yet.

I'm here

[Andysilv]

DarthReavus wrote...

Aye, it is unusual. I'm around just got nothing to say for once. As for most of our American colleagues, I have no idea why they haven't arrived yet.

Yup, same here.