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[gutty47]

Jebel Krong wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

tali's a better character in #2 than #1

Its not hard to improve on what essentially was a walking codex entry.

yeah and ashley was a xenophode (certainly at the start). wrex was by far and away the best character - because he was a character - garrus and tali didn't become that, or interesting, till the sequel - and garrus in particular, is one of the best characters in #2.

I'm probably the minority but I disliked all the ME1 squadmates and only mildly liked Wrex.

[Valmy]

Jebel Krong wrote...
yeah and ashley was a xenophode (certainly at the start).

Poor Ashley.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

"i know"

*frozen in carbonite*

I was actually thinking of that scene. My favorite in the trilogy.

I told you lot I was a sap.

one of the best scenes in films ever.

[gutty47]

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

"i know"

*frozen in carbonite*

I was actually thinking of that scene. My favorite in the trilogy.

I told you lot I was a sap.

one of the best scenes in films ever.

Didn't Harrison Ford have to fight to keep that line over the original line of "I love you too"?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

I know we've talked about what we want to see in a romance DLC. I have a small request. Have Shepard tell her "you're worth it." A lot of us like to use "worth it" as their code for "I love you, as is. Plus, Miranda's major issue is that she doesn't believe she, as opposed to her abilities, is "worth it."
Thoughts?

No more thoughts than "Yes, that would be great!"

Ah, and having finished yet another ME1 run: I want to see an ME1-style love scene in any romance DLC.

[Jebel Krong]

gutty47 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

"i know"

*frozen in carbonite*

I was actually thinking of that scene. My favorite in the trilogy.

I told you lot I was a sap.

one of the best scenes in films ever.

Didn't Harrison Ford have to fight to keep that line over the original line of "I love you too"?

he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

[gutty47]

Jebel Krong wrote...

he hated the dialogue lucas wrote

Everyone hates the dialogue Lucas writes.... its like sand... I hate sand.

[Jediknight120]

gutty47 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

"i know"

*frozen in carbonite*

I was actually thinking of that scene. My favorite in the trilogy.

I told you lot I was a sap.

one of the best scenes in films ever.

Didn't Harrison Ford have to fight to keep that line over the original line of "I love you too"?

Yup, Ford made it up on the spot. I think it was originally written to have him say "I love you too." :sick:

And it was great in RotJ when they inverted it and Leia said "I know" to Han. Come on BioWare, let us say "You're worth it" to Miranda!

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

Did Lucas write all the dialog for the second trilogy without being challenged? That would explain a lot...

[jtav]

Like I said me=hopeless romantic. Though I have my limits. If Miranda or Shepard starts talking about how they couldn't live without each other/one commits suicide because the other dies/Miranda lises her agency and becomes dependent on Shepard, I may throw up.

[Ieldra]

Jediknight120 wrote...
Come on BioWare, let us say "You're worth it" to Miranda!

Yes.

But how would you bring this to BioWare's attention? I don't think they read support threads beyond the OP, if at all.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

Did Lucas write all the dialog for the second trilogy without being challenged? That would explain a lot...

yup - he had so much control all he had was macullum sucking his balls the whole time. best thing they did was let genndy tartovsky (sp?) do the animated shorts - they were great.

btw have you seen how they edited the prequels? - splicing footge from any take together seamlessly, no wonder it feels so wooden at times, all the performances were probably different!

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 avril 2010 - 04:42 .

[Jediknight120]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

Did Lucas write all the dialog for the second trilogy without being challenged? That would explain a lot...

Yup, he wrote the prequels. The screenplay for ESB was written by Lawrence Kasdan and some dude I forget, which is why it has the best dialogue. RotJ was step down because it was Kasdan and Lucas on the screenplay.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Like I said me=hopeless romantic. Though I have my limits. If Miranda or Shepard starts talking about how they couldn't live without each other/one commits suicide because the other dies/Miranda lises her agency and becomes dependent on Shepard, I may throw up.

...just after I ram my head against the next wall.

[jtav]

Jediknight120 wrote...

Yup, Ford made it up on the spot. I think it was originally written to have him say "I love you too." :sick:

And it was great in RotJ when they inverted it and Leia said "I know" to Han. Come on BioWare, let us say "You're worth it" to Miranda!

Yes, Bioware. Pretty please? That would be 1000 better than I love you. I just thinking about it.

[Jebel Krong]

Jediknight120 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

Did Lucas write all the dialog for the second trilogy without being challenged? That would explain a lot...

Yup, he wrote the prequels. The screenplay for ESB was written by Lawrence Kasdan and some dude I forget, which is why it has the best dialogue. RotJ was step down because it was Kasdan and Lucas on the screenplay.

leigh brackett, apprently (link). i put empire's comparitive brilliance down to kerschner directing, personally.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Like I said me=hopeless romantic. Though I have my limits. If Miranda or Shepard starts talking about how they couldn't live without each other/one commits suicide because the other dies/Miranda lises her agency and becomes dependent on Shepard, I may throw up.

Yeah those are more creepy than romantic.

Female badass decay is one of my most despised tropes.  I mean what man wants to become the woman he loves' Kryptonite anyway?  Being in love should make you stronger not wimpier.

Modifié par Valmy, 02 avril 2010 - 04:45 .

[Ieldra]

Just a question that came into my mind:



We're going pretty deep into Miranda's character here - from big things like her self-esteem and her problematic relationship with Cerberus, her father and her sister, to smaller things like which words Miranda and Shepard would use as a code to express their love, what Miranda might like in food and drink and literature and countless other little things.



I don't read the other support threads regularly, but is there a similar focus there? Or am I correct in my impression that we do a lot more character analysis than other support threads?

[jtav]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

Like I said me=hopeless romantic. Though I have my limits. If Miranda or Shepard starts talking about how they couldn't live without each other/one commits suicide because the other dies/Miranda lises her agency and becomes dependent on Shepard, I may throw up.

Yeah those are more creepy than romantic.

Female badass decay is one of my most despised tropes.  I mean what man wants to become the woman he loves' Kryptonite anyway?  Being in love should make you stronger not wimpier.

Agreed! The sad thing is, I've seen people on thread argue for the suicide option. About the only Miranda-related suicide option I can fathom is if Shep were being indoctrinated by implanted Reaper tech that Miranda knew about.

Fear of that decay is one reason I cling to the "Miranda Shepard, superspy with kids" Though I've really warmed up to the idea of her becoming a researcher for Aldrin Labs/Binary Helix/a revived Sirta Foundation.

[Jediknight120]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Jediknight120 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
he had to fight to keep all his impov lines - he hated the dialogue lucas wrote. he also was so bored during the first one he practised carpentry (which he was gonna do for a living).

Did Lucas write all the dialog for the second trilogy without being challenged? That would explain a lot...

Yup, he wrote the prequels. The screenplay for ESB was written by Lawrence Kasdan and some dude I forget, which is why it has the best dialogue. RotJ was step down because it was Kasdan and Lucas on the screenplay.

leigh brackett, apprently (link). i put empire's comparitive brilliance down to kerschner directing, personally.

Agreed, Kerschner totally nailed that film.

Plus, Boba Freaking Fett.

Modifié par Jediknight120, 02 avril 2010 - 04:57 .

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

I know we've talked about what we want to see in a romance DLC. I have a small request. Have Shepard tell her "you're worth it." A lot of us like to use "worth it" as their code for "I love you, as is. Plus, Miranda's major issue is that she doesn't believe she, as opposed to her abilities, is "worth it."
Thoughts?

I agree with this.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just a question that came into my mind:

We're going pretty deep into Miranda's character here - from big things like her self-esteem and her problematic relationship with Cerberus, her father and her sister, to smaller things like which words Miranda and Shepard would use as a code to express their love, what Miranda might like in food and drink and literature and countless other little things.

I don't read the other support threads regularly, but is there a similar focus there? Or am I correct in my impression that we do a lot more character analysis than other support threads?

i'd imagine the few insights are lost in a sea of bull****, frankly.

[jtav]

There's a fair bit of analysis on the Liara thread, which is helped along by the comic.

I admit, a lot of my questions are selfish. I want to know something because I'm tiying with some idea or other that touches on that question and want feedback.

[MassAffected]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just a question that came into my mind:

We're going pretty deep into Miranda's character here - from big things like her self-esteem and her problematic relationship with Cerberus, her father and her sister, to smaller things like which words Miranda and Shepard would use as a code to express their love, what Miranda might like in food and drink and literature and countless other little things.

I don't read the other support threads regularly, but is there a similar focus there? Or am I correct in my impression that we do a lot more character analysis than other support threads?

i'd imagine the few insights are lost in a sea of bull****, frankly.

Sometimes that happens here as well, but from what I've seen we do a lot more actual discussion about Miranda and her character.

[Jebel Krong]

Valmy wrote...

jtav wrote...

Like I said me=hopeless romantic. Though I have my limits. If Miranda or Shepard starts talking about how they couldn't live without each other/one commits suicide because the other dies/Miranda lises her agency and becomes dependent on Shepard, I may throw up.

Yeah those are more creepy than romantic.

Female badass decay is one of my most despised tropes.  I mean what man wants to become the woman he loves' Kryptonite anyway?  Being in love should make you stronger not wimpier.

agreed. mr & mrs smith is how it should be handled more often.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 avril 2010 - 05:09 .