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[jtav]

Some of my focus on discussion can be attributed to the Miranda bashing and objectification on the main forum. Every serious post I make is me saying, "I like her. Not because she's hot, but because she's fascinating."

[shinobi602]

Maybe it's just me but I don't really see a lot of Miranda bashing on the forum. It's mostly from the same posters I see every so often.

[shinobi602]

Valmy wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Lol she said she's a little weirded out by the Miri love scene haha!

She was?  Still too busy to watch the interview.

Hmmm that's not good...

Well, she said it in a playful manner, she wasn't really that serious lol.

[Jediknight120]

shinobi602 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Lol she said she's a little weirded out by the Miri love scene haha!

She was?  Still too busy to watch the interview.

Hmmm that's not good...

Well, she said it in a playful manner, she wasn't really that serious lol.

I'd be weirded out by seeing a video game character whose apperance is based on me having sex. One reason why my RPG characters never look like me.

[gutty47]

The AOTS interview is possibly the most awkward interview I've seen in a while. The host needs a punch to the face... the in-studio audience (or crew... whoever the **** was laughing at that idiot making **** jokes) need to be punched in the face... **** I feel like I need a punch in the face for watching the trainwreck and not stopping it. At least Yvonne handles it well.

Ninja edit: Angry face.

Modifié par gutty47, 02 avril 2010 - 05:59 .

[shinobi602]

^I thought it was pretty funny...I mean they were all joking around >__>

[AccursedOdin]

gutty47 wrote...

The AOTS interview is possibly the most awkward interview I've seen in a while. The host needs a punch to the face... the in-studio audience (or crew... whoever the **** was laughing at that idiot making **** jokes) need to be punched in the face... **** I feel like I need a punch in the face for watching the trainwreck and not stopping it. At least Yvonne handles it well.

Ninja edit: Angry face.

I knew it'd end up being like that, which is why I chose not to watch it.

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 02 avril 2010 - 06:16 .

[jtav]

I'd be weirded out too, especially since she contributed nothing to that scene.



shinobi, I don't see the degree of bashing I used to. The only bit that turns me into a frothing maniac is when she's described as a "poor little rich girl" who had a fight with dad. Everything else I can shrug off as different tastes.

[Ieldra]

AccursedOdin wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

The AOTS interview is possibly the most awkward interview I've seen in a while. The host needs a punch to the face... the in-studio audience (or crew... whoever the **** was laughing at that idiot making **** jokes) need to be punched in the face... **** I feel like I need a punch in the face for watching the trainwreck and not stopping it. At least Yvonne handles it well.

I knew it'd end up being like that, which is why I chose not to watch it,.

I knew neither AOTS nor G4TV, which is why I unsuspectingly klicked on the link.

I agree with the punch in the face. Someone should fit his head on Khalisah al-Jilani's body in ME2, then I'd have a motivation to use a Renegade option I've never used before.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 avril 2010 - 06:09 .

[jtav]

Re: the bashing. I've been sitting here thinking about how much my conception of Miranda and seeing her as sympathetic hinges on her father being abusive (psychological. I'd be shocked if he laid a finger on her) Mostly, because otherwise she has no justification for taking Oriana (and she shows a few of the traits of survivors at various times). This degree of attachment to a theory is possibly not healthy.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...
I've been sitting here thinking about how much my conception of Miranda and seeing her as sympathetic hinges on her father being abusive (psychological. I'd be shocked if he laid a finger on her)

I thought it was made pretty clear her life was in danger.  If she failed to meet his standards she would be wacked and he would try again.

[Jediknight120]

I'm sorry for going off topic, but this is too good to not share.

[jtav]

Same here. I'd say treating your daughter as disposable counts My point is that if Miranda had merely a lousy childhood--like Tali--then she stops being sympathetic to me. I'm not sure if this is good or bad.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Same here. I'd say treating your daughter as disposable counts My point is that if Miranda had merely a lousy childhood--like Tali--then she stops being sympathetic to me. I'm not sure if this is good or bad.

Tali's childhood was not that lousy.  Her father was tough but not unloving.

Without further data I can only take Miranda's word that her actions were justified.  I trust her.

Pending further exploration of that plot of course.

[Valmy]

Jediknight120 wrote...
I'd be weirded out by seeing a video game character whose apperance is based on me having sex. One reason why my RPG characters never look like me.

Even that scene?  That was barely even R rated.

[Ieldra]

Strangely quiet here. Here a *new* Miranda screenshot...

[redBadger14]

The AOTS interview with Yvonne was not a surprise to me at all. I have seen the show many times before and know what the hosts are like. In fact, usually the hosts (Kevin and Olivia) are funny and don't go too OTT, but Kevin has always been an awkward factor of the show, and occasionally (this time the interview with Yvonne) he can be annoying, awkward, and have tasteless jokes. I agree with the lot of you 100 percent.

AOTS is however mainly a news source on G4TV and by 15-20 minutes into the show things become more serious and doesn't become completely brainless again until either the end of the show or certain segments that are meant to have a comedic tone. The show itself, after watching it many times over the past 3 years, is good. Every TV show has a blunder here and there however and yesterday's episode with Yvonne was one of them.



Okay now that my rant is over, I'll be on later to play Gears 2 with some of the lot of you (you know who you are), so save a spot for me and MSG me later, thanks

[jtav]

Thanks Ieldra. I think we may have run out of things to say. I've just come up with a rather dark idea regarding Miranda, Shep, and her father, but it's extremely unlikely and speculative, so I don't know if I should share.

[Azint]

Jediknight120 wrote...

I'm sorry for going off topic, but this is too good to not share.

*snip*

I raise your advice Garrus with a "Oh Look at the Time!"

[Andysilv]

Originally posted in the motivational thread, thought it was quite funny:

Modifié par andysilv87, 02 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[redBadger14]

@Ieldra/Andy: Nice pics!

[Sleepy Buddha]

jtav wrote...

Thanks, Valmy. You're right. ME does a better job of conveying romance through the sex scene. There's a "one night stand" vibe to Miranda's scene that I despise and doesn't gel with the rest of the romance. It came off as cheap fanservice, and not all that hot, either. I don't mind sex in my video games, but it has to fit the character and situation.

I know I'm late to the party, but I have to strongly disagree with you and Valmy.

I thought the scene was perfect as is.

No need for talk, everything was well laid out for both in their previous interactions. That is another contrast between Miranda's scene and the other LI's which I loved.

Whenever Shep and the other LI's talk right before the scene, I feel that there is still some doubt, and perhaps even a slight lack of trust. Not so with Miranda.

They already knew how deeply they cared for each other and what they wanted. They followed their feelings and let them guide their actions.

Her invitation shows how sure she is of what she wants. She wants to be with him, no reservations, no doubts. Which is even more incredible considering how distant and guarded she is with everyone else and how she was with Shepard in the beginning.

As for tenderness, the tummy hug is for me the best demontration of tenderness in both games. There could have been a bit more tenderness, but when you consider how starved for real, deep, loving intimate contact Miranda was at that point in her life, it's understandable how she quickly took control of the situation and increased the pace.

I don't understand why you feel there's a "one night stand" vibe to the scene. When I see it, I see a man and a woman who are so confortable with each other and trust each other implicitly, that all their actions feel completely natural to me.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it , to me the whole scene feels like it's happening between two people that have been together for a long time and understand each other completely on a very deep emotional and intelectual level.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It needs to be spread around.

Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 02 avril 2010 - 07:59 .

[Jediknight120]

redBadger14 wrote...

@Ieldra/Andy: Nice pics!

Agreed! 

[Ieldra]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

Thanks, Valmy. You're right. ME does a better job of conveying romance through the sex scene. There's a "one night stand" vibe to Miranda's scene that I despise and doesn't gel with the rest of the romance. It came off as cheap fanservice, and not all that hot, either. I don't mind sex in my video games, but it has to fit the character and situation.

I know I'm late to the party, but I have to strongly disagree with you and Valmy.

I thought the scene was perfect as is.

No need for talk, everything was well laid out for both in their previous interactions. That is another contrast between Miranda's scene and the other LI's which I loved.

Whenever Shep and the other LI's talk right before the scene, I feel that there is still some doubt, and perhaps even a slight lack of trust. Not so with Miranda.

They already knew how deeply they cared for each other and what they wanted. They followed their feelings and let them guide their actions.

Her invitation shows how sure she is of what she wants. She wants to be with him, no reservations, no doubts. Which is even more incredible considering how distant and guarded she is with everyone else and how she was with Shepard in the beginning.

As for tenderness, the tummy hug is for me the best demontration of tenderness in both games. There could have been a bit more tenderness, but when you consider how starved for real, deep, loving intimate contact Miranda was at that point in her life, it's understandable how she quickly took control of the situation and increased the pace.

I don't understand why you feel there's a "one night stand" vibe to the scene. When I see it, I see a man and a woman who are so confortable with each other and trust each other implicitly, that all their actions feel completely natural to me.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it , to me the whole scene feels like it's happening between two people that have been together for a long time and understand each other completely on a very deep emotional and intelectual level.

Anyway, that's my opinion. It needs to be spread around.

This is interesting. So many different opinions about that scene. I agree with you, Sleepy Buddha, that there's no "one night stand" vibe in this scene. But I'm uncomfortable with it for other reasons, and I also think that the ME1 style of scenes was, all in all, better.