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[DarthReavus]

I think the absolute honest answer to your question jtav is simply that none of us know. None of us can know. None of us are the game's writers. None of us are the people that created Miranda and her character, therefore none of us can really know. We can guess and make suppositions and even impositions about how she thinks about things, but none of us actually know.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

This is very beautiful. Where did you make it?

And did I see a troll here earlier? Hehe....with things being very quiet today, he couldn't have come at a better time. At least we had someone to flog (where's the "evil grin" smiley when you need one).

I think he made it in Cerberus base when Shepard is meeting TIM for the first time. The only other place where you can talk to her is when she's sitting behind her desk in the Normandy.

Every time I see some close up shots on Miranda, I admire the amazing modeling work that Bioware did with Miranda's face.

[Andysilv]

Hey Yannkee, I like your custom Miri avatar!

[Caihn]

andysilv87 wrote...

Hey Yannkee, I like your custom Miri avatar!

Thanks.
I took it from "Miranda vs Jack" scene. 

[Andysilv]

Yannkee wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Hey Yannkee, I like your custom Miri avatar!

Thanks.
I took it from "Miranda vs Jack" scene. 

Oh yeah, I was trying to think what scene it was from. I'm ashamed I didn't know it myself.

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Hey Yannkee, I like your custom Miri avatar!

Thanks.
I took it from "Miranda vs Jack" scene. 

Oh yeah, I was trying to think what scene it was from. I'm ashamed I didn't know it myself.

Your (stalker) powers are weak old man.

[Andysilv]

DarthReavus wrote...

Your (stalker) powers are weak old man.

Yeah well, I still have my witty comments! And how exactly am I an old man? 

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Your (stalker) powers are weak old man.

Yeah well, I still have my witty comments! And how exactly am I an old man? 

It was an altered quote from Star Wars you fool!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I've said several times that Miranda appears to be the only Cerberus officer/project lead with a halfway functioning moral compass, but I'm trying to get a better handle on that compass. What won't she do to get the job done? What lines does she draw beyond her horror of the Reaper base. She doesn't strike me as the type to find any particular act intrinsically immoral, but on who those acts are being done to. ie. Torturing a slaver for information is fine, but torturing his ten-year-old son is repulsive. Same with murder and assassination.
These are very preliminary thoughts, and I'm aware that this is an area where I'm in danger of projecting because Miranda and I have very different ways of looking at the world.

Hmm. Not so easy to answer since it can't be answered systematically. At least not easily. Maybe not at all. Here are a few random thoughts.

(1) Miranda strikes me as a woman who has only recently come to think - prospectively and systematically - about how far she will be able to go for certain ends. TIM has shielded her from most of Cerberus' atrocities, and whatever she did for them cannot have been very difficult for her, or her loyalty wouldn't be as we see it at the start of ME2. 

(2) Miranda tries to use "reasonable" means to achieve her purposes. What is acceptable for her cannot be considered fully without taking her purposes into account, and the people who would suffer the consequences of her actions. This makes hard and fast rules very difficult to formulate. More important purposes justify more morally questionable means, and not all people need to be considered equally.

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I've tried for at least half an hour to formulate some rules, but I find it almost impossible to generalize any of Miranda's possible decisions. I think she would never deliberately do physical harm to children, and won't sacrifice lives frivolously, but that's about all. I also think she wouldn't hesitate to lie and deceive unless it's to the few people she cares about very much, and even then some of that is acceptable depending on circumstances. Anything else depends on the situation, on her purpose and the people involved.

If asked about if she considers action X acceptable, Miranda's answer would almost always be: it depends.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 avril 2010 - 08:07 .

[Andysilv]

DarthReavus wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Your (stalker) powers are weak old man.

Yeah well, I still have my witty comments! And how exactly am I an old man? 

It was an altered quote from Star Wars you fool!

Bah, Star Wars geek!

[DarthReavus]

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Your (stalker) powers are weak old man.

Yeah well, I still have my witty comments! And how exactly am I an old man? 

It was an altered quote from Star Wars you fool!

Bah, Star Wars geek!

And proud of it!  Cheers Gaffer! *clinks pint of ale*

[shinobi602]

gutty47 wrote...

Unbelievably close profile pic is unbelievably close.

WOW! :wub:

[DarthReavus]

The ninja returns....

[MegWithAMouth]

DarthReavus wrote...

The ninja returns....

He really is a ninja. That much was proven in execution last night.

[Andysilv]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

The ninja returns....

He really is a ninja. That much was proven in execution last night.

MEEEEEEEEG!!! *Gives Meg a super-giant "I've missed you!" hug* Please don't leave, it's been so quiet here!

[DarthReavus]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

The ninja returns....

He really is a ninja. That much was proven in execution last night.

*Hugs*
Meg!  Maybe now you're back the thread may get some life breathed into it again!

[MegWithAMouth]

Aw. I feel so loved.



*hugs Andy and Darth*



I wish I could stay. I'll be leaving in a minute to partake in some family stuff though. I'll be here on and off throughout the day though so hopefully you won't be without me for long. =)

[Andysilv]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Aw. I feel so loved.

*hugs Andy and Darth*

I wish I could stay. I'll be leaving in a minute to partake in some family stuff though. I'll be here on and off throughout the day though so hopefully you won't be without me for long. =)

Damn you, how could you betray us like this!?

*Ahem* I mean, I understand, family first.

[MegWithAMouth]

Hey Mavi!



@Andy: I'm sorry! I'll make it up to you somehow. I hate how dead in here it is lately. Where's Odin? And Flashy? Maybe mentioning their names will be enough to make them show up. It works sometimes...

[Andysilv]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Hey Mavi!

@Andy: I'm sorry! I'll make it up to you somehow. I hate how dead in here it is lately. Where's Odin? And Flashy? Maybe mentioning their names will be enough to make them show up. It works sometimes...

I know! I've noticed a certain man by the name of Kabraxal has been posting in group discussions recently but not here. We not good enough for you now, Kab!?

[MegWithAMouth]

Yeah, Kab. We see where your true loyalties lie. <_<

[Andysilv]

MegWithAMouth wrote...

Yeah, Kab. We see where your true loyalties lie. <_<

Yep, and you just know he's reading this too!