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jtav wrote...
I don't view it quite so positively as you. While I admire her keen sense of purpose, I think her self-concept probably stems from her father treating her as only a means to his dynasty. She's deeply internalized that she, stripped of her abilities, is of very little value to anyone. If her only value is a tool, then she may as well be a useful one. I really wanted a chance to say something like this, only less cheesy:

"Miranda, you're so much more than your abilities. Do you know how many beautiful and brilliant woment I've known? I didn't want any of them. I want you. Your drive, your ambition, the fact that you will do anything for those you love. That's what I love about you. Your father didn't engineer that. It's all you. You're what's precious to me, not your genes or your skills."

Like I said, pardon the cheese.


Shepard does say something like this very early on.  Like how it is the fire inside of her that makes her great not her skills, I do not remember the exact line.  But it was more of a statement of respect than love.

I did not say it was a totally admirable quality to think of yourself as nothing but a tool to be used but the direction Miranda chose to take her feelings of worthlessness and her existential and identity crisis says alot about her.  She gets out there and wants to make a difference to justify her existance.  Most of us would not respond that way.

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I conk out over my laptop for an hour and this is what happens...



*shakes his head*

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Kabraxal wrote...

I conk out over my laptop for an hour and this is what happens...

*shakes his head*


You are not allowed to leave the thread again Kab!

On that note I have to get to class.  See you guys later!

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Kabraxal wrote...

I conk out over my laptop for an hour and this is what happens...

*shakes his head*


What can you do Kab? Trolls are part of internet life.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I was reading a Miranda story, and a reviewer complained that Miranda was able to beat Shepard in a hand-to-hand fight because "he's Commander Shepard" It got me thinking: what sort of things might Miranda plausibly be better at than Shepard. She acknowledges that he's got a fire she doesn't and is practically perfect, but the idea that she's second best at everything irks me.
For the record, I suspect that they're pretty evenly matched at hand-to-hand and the winner would come down to other factors.


Not mucb time, but I have to give my opinion to this one.

*Miranda is clearly ahead of Shepard in everything scientific and in the spy stuff.
*Shepard and Miranda may be evenly matched in a hand-to-hand fight - I see Miranda having martial arts training and it's enhanced by biotics, so she may be slightly ahead of some Shepards, and slightly behind  others.
*Shepard is clearly ahead of Miranda in ranged combat with most weapons.
*Shepard is also ahead of her in leadership, and in dealing with people, as long as no subtlety is necessary. Shepard simply isn't very subtle.


Indeed Ieldra - Shepard is pretty much a force of nature. He does steamroller impressions very well - just look what happened to Khalisa Bint Stupid if you didn't do the interrupt and had the points to do either paragon or renegade conversation options. Subtle is possible, but it's kinda hard.
As for the martial arts, while Shep might be a brawler, there will be some military martial arts training in there, quite a chunk considering the N7 classification.
Biotics? Miranda wins. Spy stuff? Miranda wins. Science stuff? Miranda wins. If she's not first in something then she's definately a good second, assuming she's been interested in it.
Cooking? Who knows! 

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Valmy wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I conk out over my laptop for an hour and this is what happens...

*shakes his head*


You are not allowed to leave the thread again Kab!

On that note I have to get to class.  See you guys later!


I didn't technically leave the thread...  I passed out and my computer went to sleep not long after Image IPB

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Oh, and from the 'So I saw this romance thread' thread (i.e. best/worst case scenarios for the consequences of 'cheating' on your ME1 LI)

Best case I'd have to say is Liara and Miranda having a bikini biotic free for all in a pool of jello to prove which one love's Shepard the most.

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Sorry...in the toolset...



In and out for a while :)

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Prudii Aden wrote...

Oh, and from the 'So I saw this romance thread' thread (i.e. best/worst case scenarios for the consequences of 'cheating' on your ME1 LI)
Best case I'd have to say is Liara and Miranda having a bikini biotic free for all in a pool of jello to prove which one love's Shepard the most.


As much as I love miri, the one I realy want to see is the Ash and Tali one. Miri and Ash will most likely be a shouting match and Jack will jjust sqwear alot but Tali and Ash have to fight.

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Prudii Aden wrote...

Oh, and from the 'So I saw this romance thread' thread (i.e. best/worst case scenarios for the consequences of 'cheating' on your ME1 LI)
Best case I'd have to say is Liara and Miranda having a bikini biotic free for all in a pool of jello to prove which one love's Shepard the most.


THAT REMINDS ME OF THE FIGHT IN THE COPPER CORONET IN BALDURS GATE 2.

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Maviarab wrote...

Sorry...in the toolset...

In and out for a while :)


You where making shoes for Leliana wherent you Mav?

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Damn, what the hell has been going on here?

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Oh, and from the 'So I saw this romance thread' thread (i.e. best/worst case scenarios for the consequences of 'cheating' on your ME1 LI)
Best case I'd have to say is Liara and Miranda having a bikini biotic free for all in a pool of jello to prove which one love's Shepard the most.


As much as I love miri, the one I realy want to see is the Ash and Tali one. Miri and Ash will most likely be a shouting match and Jack will jjust sqwear alot but Tali and Ash have to fight.


Oh, that'd be interesting, certainly - mostly on the whole friction from ME1 where Ash got Shep, then Tali picked him up 'as new, one previous lady owner' as it were....

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andysilv87 wrote...

Damn, what the hell has been going on here?


The cooks head exploded and my dog ate the kitchen staff.

(nachos to who knows where this is from and Darth is excluded from this ^_^)

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hehe...you know me so well kraidy....and not just shoes...(though I LOVE SHOES)....whole outfit hehe

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Troll. Also, I made a bad attempt at writing a romantic declaration.

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Gonn amke her look like a druish princess :P

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Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I was reading a Miranda story, and a reviewer complained that Miranda was able to beat Shepard in a hand-to-hand fight because "he's Commander Shepard" It got me thinking: what sort of things might Miranda plausibly be better at than Shepard. She acknowledges that he's got a fire she doesn't and is practically perfect, but the idea that she's second best at everything irks me.
For the record, I suspect that they're pretty evenly matched at hand-to-hand and the winner would come down to other factors.


Not mucb time, but I have to give my opinion to this one.

*Miranda is clearly ahead of Shepard in everything scientific and in the spy stuff.
*Shepard and Miranda may be evenly matched in a hand-to-hand fight - I see Miranda having martial arts training and it's enhanced by biotics, so she may be slightly ahead of some Shepards, and slightly behind  others.
*Shepard is clearly ahead of Miranda in ranged combat with most weapons.
*Shepard is also ahead of her in leadership, and in dealing with people, as long as no subtlety is necessary. Shepard simply isn't very subtle.


Indeed Ieldra - Shepard is pretty much a force of nature. He does steamroller impressions very well - just look what happened to Khalisa Bint Stupid if you didn't do the interrupt and had the points to do either paragon or renegade conversation options. Subtle is possible, but it's kinda hard.
As for the martial arts, while Shep might be a brawler, there will be some military martial arts training in there, quite a chunk considering the N7 classification.
Biotics? Miranda wins. Spy stuff? Miranda wins. Science stuff? Miranda wins. If she's not first in something then she's definately a good second, assuming she's been interested in it.
Cooking? Who knows! 


I still vote that they are equal in almost all areas. It REALLY depends on how you play your Shepard. The only thing that Miranda beats my Shepard in hands down is science and biotics. Shep being an Infiltrator is very good in espionage and tech stuff.

#33019
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Prudii Aden wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

Oh, and from the 'So I saw this romance thread' thread (i.e. best/worst case scenarios for the consequences of 'cheating' on your ME1 LI)
Best case I'd have to say is Liara and Miranda having a bikini biotic free for all in a pool of jello to prove which one love's Shepard the most.


As much as I love miri, the one I realy want to see is the Ash and Tali one. Miri and Ash will most likely be a shouting match and Jack will jjust sqwear alot but Tali and Ash have to fight.


Oh, that'd be interesting, certainly - mostly on the whole friction from ME1 where Ash got Shep, then Tali picked him up 'as new, one previous lady owner' as it were....


Also look how Ash reacted when Shepard was flirting with Liara, just think how she will react when the man she loved and slept with also slept with a Alian and a girl that Ash knew and did not mind at all. Thats just asking for trouble.

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jtav wrote...

Troll. Also, I made a bad attempt at writing a romantic declaration.


*Sigh* Trolls...*shakes head* Such a waste of life.

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Maviarab wrote...

Gonn amke her look like a druish princess :P


OH I LOVE SHOES!

(LOL, that's almost worse then ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!")

#33022
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@jtav - I wouldn't say your romantic declaration was sucky. Sometimes, the truth IS cheesy.

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andysilv87 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Troll. Also, I made a bad attempt at writing a romantic declaration.


*Sigh* Trolls...*shakes head* Such a waste of life.


CAREFUL THERE. I SENSE SOME EUGENICS COMING ALONG

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Seriously, I wonder how Miranda would react to meeting Ash/Liara if you romanced them? Vice versa?

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@kraidy - got it in one. She pitched a fit when Shep and Liara flirted in ME1. Say, isn't that another way of making sure you don't have an LI come ME2? Say "can't I have you both?"

EDIT: Nope, it isn't. You end up with Liara if that happens. Oh well.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 07 avril 2010 - 08:47 .