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[kraidy1117]

Karstedt wrote...

I'm offended... you think I don't know who Samus is.

Never know, Metroid is not as popular as it used to be.

[gutty47]

Jebel Krong wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I was reading a Miranda story, and a reviewer complained that Miranda was able to beat Shepard in a hand-to-hand fight because "he's Commander Shepard" It got me thinking: what sort of things might Miranda plausibly be better at than Shepard. She acknowledges that he's got a fire she doesn't and is practically perfect, but the idea that she's second best at everything irks me.
For the record, I suspect that they're pretty evenly matched at hand-to-hand and the winner would come down to other factors.

That reviewer is an idiot. Every Shepard is going to be different.

My soldier shep would only be better at leadership, gun play, and brute strength. Everything else, Miranda will be better and usually by a long mile.

what? seriously, whatever shep you play, he/she is still a highly-trained spec-ops soldier - they would outmatch anyone in hand-to-hand....

Theres probably things I haven't thought of but I was classifying most hand-to-hand under brute strength. I assume Miranda can use biotics in interesting ways during hand-to-hand combat (barriers to block shots is one thing I can think of).

[Breakdown Boy]

kraidy1117 wrote...



You got it cnfused. Garrus is space batman, Shepard is Chuck Norris, Kirk and Han Solo in one body.





When life gives Commander Shepard lemons.....he kills Reapers with them!



Chuck Norris wears N7 underwear.

[Karstedt]

gutty47 wrote...

Theres probably things I haven't thought of but I was classifying most hand-to-hand under brute strength. I assume Miranda can use biotics in interesting ways during hand-to-hand combat (barriers to block shots is one thing I can think of).

But biotics won't work against armor. So, unless Shep takes off the armor, Miranda's biotics are uselss.

Modifié par Karstedt, 08 avril 2010 - 08:51 .

[Karstedt]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Chuck Norris wears N7 underwear.

I so want a picture of that!

[gutty47]

Karstedt wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

Theres probably things I haven't thought of but I was classifying most hand-to-hand under brute strength. I assume Miranda can use biotics in interesting ways during hand-to-hand combat (barriers to block shots is one thing I can think of).

But biotics won't work against armor. So, unless Shep takes off the armor, Miranda's biotics are uselss.

Gameplay mechanics aren't really an argument but I couldn't be bothered making a better point.

I'm off in my own Subway + NCIS heaven.

[Ieldra]

Karstedt wrote...

gutty47 wrote...
Theres probably things I haven't thought of but I was classifying most hand-to-hand under brute strength. I assume Miranda can use biotics in interesting ways during hand-to-hand combat (barriers to block shots is one thing I can think of).

But biotics won't work against armor. So, unless Shep takes off the armor, Miranda's biotics are uselss.

That's pure game mechanics with no grounding in ME lore. Biotics use mass effect fields. Armor consists of objects with a mass and is not inherently protected by a kinetic barrier. It follows that someone in armor can be Thrown and Pulled by biotics just as if that someone was heavier by the armor's mass.

[Karstedt]

Ieldra2 wrote...

That's pure game mechanics with no grounding in ME lore. Biotics use mass effect fields. Armor consists of objects with a mass and is not inherently protected by a kinetic barrier. It follows that someone in armor can be Thrown and Pulled by biotics just as if that someone was heavier by the armor's mass.

A lot of people (myself included) made that exact argument when critiziting the new mechanic... and they got called whiners & haters.

You two are just wihining because your epic biotic hand to hand scenario got derailed. H8erS! I've got an army of idiots on my side, you don't stand a chance!

I'll be interested to see if they make Karpyshyn write the new book with ME2 style mechanics. Do they keep book continuity or game continuity?

[gutty47]

Karstedt wrote...

A lot of people (myself included) made that exact argument when critiziting the new mechanic... and they got called whiners & haters.

I've ignored other threads for a while now... what new mechanic?

[DarthReavus]

gutty47 wrote...

Karstedt wrote...

A lot of people (myself included) made that exact argument when critiziting the new mechanic... and they got called whiners & haters.

I've ignored other threads for a while now... what new mechanic?

The ME2 mechanic where biotics don't affect a target wearing armour, when by the laws of physics they should.

[Ieldra]

Karstedt wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

That's pure game mechanics with no grounding in ME lore. Biotics use mass effect fields. Armor consists of objects with a mass and is not inherently protected by a kinetic barrier. It follows that someone in armor can be Thrown and Pulled by biotics just as if that someone was heavier by the armor's mass.

A lot of people (myself included) made that exact argument when critiziting the new mechanic... and they got called whiners & haters.

You two are just wihining because your epic biotic hand to hand scenario got derailed. H8erS! I've got an army of idiots on my side, you don't stand a chance!

I'll be interested to see if they make Karpyshyn write the new book with ME2 style mechanics. Do they keep book continuity or game continuity?

I don't think the scenario fails. Game mechanics and lore consistency needn't necessarily run parallel all the time, but when considering a scenario from a story and characterization perspective it's usually best to ignore the former in favor of the latter. Especially when the game mechanics make no sense lore-wise in the first place.

This is, btw, the reason I very much dislike game fanfics that use game terminology or scene descriptions in terms of game mechanics. It makes the stories feel artificial because it structures the world in game terms, not in real-world terms. I don't recall if Karpyshyn did it in his ME books, but I doubt it. This little biotics vs armor detail should have absolutely no impact on what he's writing if he knows his job.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 avril 2010 - 09:45 .

[Yana Montana]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yana Montana wrote...

Um, my first time in here. Just want to add my vote to the bucket of Miranda appreciators. She is indeed very interesting and uber-hot lady she is.

Thank you and welcome. And it's a nice screenshot.

I noticed that you are in a number of character support groups, but not in Miranda's. Isn't this an undesirable state of affairs? See my sig for the link.

BTW, what's been going on here? Do people suddenly have time to do nothing but post here? The speed of this thread is crazy.

Going to correct this brutal mistake in a sec.

[Jebel Krong]

gutty47 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I was reading a Miranda story, and a reviewer complained that Miranda was able to beat Shepard in a hand-to-hand fight because "he's Commander Shepard" It got me thinking: what sort of things might Miranda plausibly be better at than Shepard. She acknowledges that he's got a fire she doesn't and is practically perfect, but the idea that she's second best at everything irks me.
For the record, I suspect that they're pretty evenly matched at hand-to-hand and the winner would come down to other factors.

That reviewer is an idiot. Every Shepard is going to be different.

My soldier shep would only be better at leadership, gun play, and brute strength. Everything else, Miranda will be better and usually by a long mile.

what? seriously, whatever shep you play, he/she is still a highly-trained spec-ops soldier - they would outmatch anyone in hand-to-hand....

Theres probably things I haven't thought of but I was classifying most hand-to-hand under brute strength. I assume Miranda can use biotics in interesting ways during hand-to-hand combat (barriers to block shots is one thing I can think of).

brute strength plays only a small part in any type of martial combat (or martial art, for that matter), training, application and technique are vastly more important. as for biotic use it would probably be impractical - the concentration required would take you out of the fight and leave you vulnerable.
personally i'm also in the group that says "universe law" means that biotics would work on shep in/out of armour, regardless of gameplay/difficulty levels, but armour would be a disadvantage in a face-to-face fight anyway. i stand by my batman position - shepard is both the leader/brains and combat master (whichever class) - that's why he is who he is and others will follow him through hell.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 08 avril 2010 - 09:51 .

[Breakdown Boy]

This should be right...

[Andysilv]

I was just looking through some of the fan art and thought I'd re-post my favourite one.



This was done by Strikor quite a few weeks ago:







Amazing!

[Jebel Krong]

andysilv87 wrote...

I was just looking through some of the fan art and thought I'd re-post my favourite one.

This was done by Strikor quite a few weeks ago:



Amazing!

that is really good. i do hope they keep the unique squad outfits for mass effect 3 - they do promote the characters' individuality far more than generic armour...

[Karstedt]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't recall if Karpyshyn did it in his ME books, but I doubt it. This little biotics vs armor detail should have absolutely no impact on what he's writing if he knows his job.

He didn't. But that was long before teh gr8ness taht iz ME2. My point is, that the mechanic is in fact; so ludicrous... that it's not unfeasable that they have altered the ME universe accordingly. It would be like if ME3 did away with mass relays in favor of FTL drives for the mechanical purporse of not needing a relay to get from star to star. I would expect the accompaning book to reflect the same nonesense.

Of course, people who read, typically don't go for a streamlined, dumbed down, novel experience. So it obviously wouldn't go over well in book form. But EA/Bioware has been doing a lot of stupid things. I remember this announcement they had a while back... about a big community event...

[Caihn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

that is really good. i do hope they keep the unique squad outfits for mass effect 3 - they do promote the characters' individuality far more than generic armour...

I would like unique squad outfit for ME3 too, but they need armor for combat.
I'm sure Bioware can create a unique armor and a casual outfit for each character.

[Karstedt]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

This should be right...

Not funny... I have used that TP before, it sucks.

@Jebel:
Fighting in armor might be a disadvantage in some circumstances... but it's not a given. It's especially effective on a large strong person. It turns them into an armored Sumo. You can't Judo-Fu an armored sumo very well, even if he's slow and doesn't manuver very well. And you certainly can't strike an armored Sumo very well either. Appropriate armor can give you an edge. Inappropriate armor can defnitely hinder though. Like full plate on a midget... you ain't gonn get much benefit from that... an giant armored gerbil ball would be more effective for a midget. The midget probably would hurt anyone, but it's be hard to get at him too.

[Karstedt]

ooo... shiny. Laptop is going for 12000 tokens... I hates the bazaar.

[Breakdown Boy]

There was only three or four soldier type characters is ME2, Jacob, Grunt, Garrus and Zayeed. Their also the only guys that had any type of armour. The whole feel of the game was that these people were with Shepard because of their skill, so using armour would not really be their style, this excludes Grunt.

[redBadger14]

Whoever was here yesterday when the troll came by (maybe Andy or Darth?), can you send a link to the page he first posted and his username to Stanley Woo? He asked me to send it to him but I have classes to go to ATM. Thanks.

[DesmondMiles]

Hey guys, i've being following this thread for a while but this is my first comment here haha, anyways i thought i drop in an give my support for Miranda for ME3. I love this character like all you guys and girls do and i thought id leave an offering

Sorry about the crappy quality picture, i play ME1 & 2 on xbox360

[Karstedt]

redBadger14 wrote...

Whoever was here yesterday when the troll came by (maybe Andy or Darth?), can you send a link to the page he first posted and his username to Stanley Woo? He asked me to send it to him but I have classes to go to ATM. Thanks.

The Bazaar troll, or me? I reported the Bazaar troll, he was crowding my bridge. I couldn't tell you how far back my posts go... I've been around for a while.

[DarthReavus]

redBadger14 wrote...

Whoever was here yesterday when the troll came by (maybe Andy or Darth?), can you send a link to the page he first posted and his username to Stanley Woo? He asked me to send it to him but I have classes to go to ATM. Thanks.

Done and done