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[Sleepy Buddha]

MassAffected wrote...

Eh, I still don't agree on the difficulty of the research...the stuff about TiM and his justifications I can roll with.

That's fine, just sharing a different point of view (which I believe in) for people to consider.

Well, have to eat. Dinner doesn't cook itself yet, unfortunately.

[kraidy1117]

Maviarab wrote...

depends on what these 'dire consequences' are jtav if you cheat....

Not sure I want to take the chance of cheating hehe

If  you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

[MassAffected]

jtav wrote...

Mostly I am worried about screwing up my chance for a happy ending in ME3. No real interest in what happens long-term with the romances, but I want a happy ending for Shepard and Miranda.

Enjoy your books, MA. You have a lot to read, don't you?

You could always make another Shep [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

And
you're right, lots to read. Buuut my priorities are straight...Be All
Our Sins Remembered first then the review then the books. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I do believe I have accidentally romanced Liara. Should I go ahead and romance Miranda anyway or romance someone else and make my next Shep "faithful" to her?

How can you accidentally romance her when you know (you've been told repeatedly) how to avoid it? And don't you save your game before conversations?
I'd say to be sure, go back to a saved game where you still can tell Liara you're not interested in her that way. But I don't believe ME3 will punish you for having had two LIs in the previous game. I think it will be more a decision about who you'll get in your team and who you don't. So go ahead and do what feels OK.

BTW, all that talk of "cheating" gives me the creeps - from my viewpoint it's unbelievably dogmatic. To romance another character in ME2 is not cheating, it's breaking up with one and getting together with the other. And the "dire consequences" are typical hyperbole as far as I'm, concerned.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 avril 2010 - 09:15 .

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I do believe I have accidentally romanced Liara. Should I go ahead and romance Miranda anyway or romance someone else and make my next Shep "faithful" to her?

How can you accidentally romance her when you know (you've been told repeatedly) how to avoid it? And don't you save your game before conversations?
I'd say to be sure, go back to a saved game where you still can tell Liara you're not interested in her that way. But I don't believe ME3 will punish you for having had two LIs in the previous game. I think it will be more a decision about who you'll get in your team and who you don't. So go ahead and do what feels OK.

I'm thinking this as well...funny I save before convos too. Also I think as long as you tell Liara to "get lost" when she comes to your cabin it doesn't complete the romance (I think).

[jtav]

I only think so, because the "are you interested" line never came up. Possible I killed it earlier. Will keep my mouth shut after Noveria.

[jtav]

The bizarre thing is that, if you get the Normandy lockdown scene it still counts, even if you turn them away.

[Miranda Lawson]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

depends on what these 'dire consequences' are jtav if you cheat....

Not sure I want to take the chance of cheating hehe

If  you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

Kill myself? Highly unlikely, considering the circumstances.

I'll just hit Shepard with a biotic field so strong that what's left of his body will fit into a shotglass.

[kraidy1117]

Miranda Lawson wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

depends on what these 'dire consequences' are jtav if you cheat....

Not sure I want to take the chance of cheating hehe

If  you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

Kill myself? Highly unlikely, considering the circumstances.

I'll just hit Shepard with a biotic field so strong that what's left of his body will fit into a shotglass.

LOL and theres Miri.

[Ieldra]

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking this as well...funny I save before convos too.

I don't count the number of times I use the quicksave button during one game. It must go into the thousands. And I make a regular save before any scene I might want to repeat or make screenshots of, such as Miranda's conversations, several scenes in her loyalty mission and various others. This is why I always exhaust the savegame limit. Why have a savegame limit? It's stupid. In DAO I have more than 100 saves per character....

[MassAffected]

Miranda Lawson wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

depends on what these 'dire consequences' are jtav if you cheat....

Not sure I want to take the chance of cheating hehe

If  you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

Kill myself? Highly unlikely, considering the circumstances.

I'll just hit Shepard with a biotic field so strong that what's left of his body will fit into a shotglass.

How big of a shotglass?

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I'm thinking this as well...funny I save before convos too.

I don't count the number of times I use the quicksave button during one game. It must go into the thousands. And I make a regular save before any scene I might want to repeat or make screenshots of, such as Miranda's conversations, several scenes in her loyalty mission and various others. This is why I always exhaust the savegame limit. Why have a savegame limit? It's stupid. In DAO I have more than 100 saves per character....

Heh, on ME1 I've broken 900 saves on one character

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote
If you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

If people kill themselves because of a failed relationship, it's their fault. It's incredibly stupid to throw one's life away that way. My empathy with people suffering from a failed relationships ends right there, and I'd refuse to be held responsible for any self-inflicted death.

@MassEffected:
Oh, oh... I think you just showed me what it means to be truly extreme

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 avril 2010 - 09:29 .

[shinobi602]

Maviarab wrote...

But Shin, changing someone is not what a relationship is about no? Surely you accept people for what and who they are yes?

Change her, she is not who you fell in love with anymore?

Not forcibly, but you can show people different ways of perceiving things that could change their outlook on life. Her personality is already perfect for me, it's her views on different things that could use tweaking. I fall in love with people's personalities, and Miri's is great, I'm sure everyone agrees here. If not, then what else is there to love about her?

Therefore, it's just her views on some things that could change. This isn't really changing a person essentially, just telling him "Well...why not look at this way?"

[Ieldra]

shinobi602 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

But Shin, changing someone is not what a relationship is about no? Surely you accept people for what and who they are yes?

Change her, she is not who you fell in love with anymore?

Not forcibly, but you can show people different ways of perceiving things that could change their outlook on life. Her personality is already perfect for me, it's her views on different things that could use tweaking. I fall in love with people's personalities, and Miri's is great, I'm sure everyone agrees here. If not, then what else is there to love about her?

What else? You know, she does look great, if you haven't noticed

And I think Maviarab's right here: if you go into a relationship with a preconceived goal of changing someone, that's not a good sign.

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote
If you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

If people kill themselves because of a failed relationship, it's their fault. It's incredibly stupid to throw one's life away that way. My empathy with people suffering from a failed relationships ends right there, and I'd refuse to be held responsible for any self-inflicted death.

@MassEffected:
Oh, oh... I think you just showed me what it means to be truly extreme

I'm not much for serious convos about death, but taking your own life is prolly the most selfish and idiotic thing a person can do.

[jtav]

And I think I'll just roll with whatever happens. Talking to my team is part of the fun. Can't not do it.



Agreed on the suicide thing. The moment love makes you act in harmful ways, it stops being love. See, Ieldra? I'm not a complete idiot.

[MassAffected]

shinobi602 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

But Shin, changing someone is not what a relationship is about no? Surely you accept people for what and who they are yes?

Change her, she is not who you fell in love with anymore?

Not forcibly, but you can show people different ways of perceiving things that could change their outlook on life. Her personality is already perfect for me, it's her views on different things that could use tweaking. I fall in love with people's personalities, and Miri's is great, I'm sure everyone agrees here. If not, then what else is there to love about her?

Therefore, it's just her views on some things that could change. This isn't really changing a person essentially, just telling him "Well...why not look at this way?"

Yeah, but the way you present this idea makes it sound like brainwashing...

[Ieldra]

MassAffected wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote
If you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

If people kill themselves because of a failed relationship, it's their fault. It's incredibly stupid to throw one's life away that way. My empathy with people suffering from a failed relationships ends right there, and I'd refuse to be held responsible for any self-inflicted death.

I'm not much for serious convos about death, but taking your own life is prolly the most selfish and idiotic thing a person can do.

Not to get too far into this, but I can imagine situations where death seems preferrable. But failed relationships are not among them. I also think that the LI characters in the ME games are strong enough as personalities that they wouldn't throw their lives away for that. OK, I can see Ashley accepting a suicide mission, but only because that falls into her pattern of behaviour anyway. 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Agreed on the suicide thing. The moment love makes you act in harmful ways, it stops being love. See, Ieldra? I'm not a complete idiot.

Err..*looks at recent posts*....have I implied any such thing anywhere? If yes, I'm unaware....

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote
If you cheat, then most likely who ever you pick to continue your romanc,e the one you dumped will leave for ever and kill there self.

If people kill themselves because of a failed relationship, it's their fault. It's incredibly stupid to throw one's life away that way. My empathy with people suffering from a failed relationships ends right there, and I'd refuse to be held responsible for any self-inflicted death.

I'm not much for serious convos about death, but taking your own life is prolly the most selfish and idiotic thing a person can do.

Not to get too far into this, but I can imagine situations where death seems preferrable. But failed relationships are not among them. I also think that the LI characters in the ME games are strong enough as personalities that they wouldn't throw their lives away for that. OK, I can see Ashley accepting a suicide mission, but only because that falls into her pattern of behaviour anyway. 

You know whats kind of funny? Every time I see someone (I do it too as you can see above) say "Not to get too far into it" or "I'm not much for..." it usually involves getting further into the subject matter.

Its like saying "no offense" followed by something hateful

But yeah, I still stand behind my belief that suicide is never an option and is very selfish indeed. There is so much in life to live for and a broken heart heals with time.

[MassAffected]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Agreed on the suicide thing. The moment love makes you act in harmful ways, it stops being love. See, Ieldra? I'm not a complete idiot.

Err..*looks at recent posts*....have I implied any such thing anywhere? If yes, I'm unaware....

jtav just reads your thoughts

[shinobi602]

Ieldra2 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

But Shin, changing someone is not what a relationship is about no? Surely you accept people for what and who they are yes?

Change her, she is not who you fell in love with anymore?

Not forcibly, but you can show people different ways of perceiving things that could change their outlook on life. Her personality is already perfect for me, it's her views on different things that could use tweaking. I fall in love with people's personalities, and Miri's is great, I'm sure everyone agrees here. If not, then what else is there to love about her?

What else? You know, she does look great, if you haven't noticed

And I think Maviarab's right here: if you go into a relationship with a preconceived goal of changing someone, that's not a good sign.

Nope, didn't say I go into the relationship with that goal. I'm only saying that because we already know Miri, so I'm going off that. 

Also...I need a lot more than looks to satisfy me...personality is crucial.