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[redBadger14]

Okay back from a shower, hello to those who arrived!

Good news. I'm gonna run errands in a few hours, and while I'm out I'm gonna rent L4D2 so I can whack some zombies with you muffins for a while

@Flashy: Its Buon Giorno You can thank your resident Italian

[DarthReavus]

AccursedOdin wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...

Flashy91 wrote...

Soooo.... I had a "ZOMG I'm laughing too hard" Headache last nite, the general signs of a hell of a good time thanks for the fun! One question...



Can we do it again!?!?!

Preferably not on L4D Versus Mode for me.  That's one of the worst game modes I've played, I can't enjoy it.

To be fair Darth, it was three on two with you at the disadvantage. Not having fun is understandable when you're getting mobbed by three special infected every ten or so seconds.

It wasn't that, it was the fact that we were cut off from you.  When I'm gaming with you guys I'd like to be able to talk to all of you and not just one or two.  On L4D Versus you can only talk to your team, not everyone you're playing with.  That's my biggest objection to it so on those grounds alone I don't particularly want to go anywhere near that game mode again.

[Collider]

gutty47 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think TIM wanted the base for exactly the reason that he said - he wanted some extra firepower against the Reapers. He thinks that he may be able to give the Reapers a taste of their own medicine. I destroyed the base though, because you can't trust Reaper technology like that. Especially with Cerberus.

I want the 'keeping the base' option to be the best outcome for ME3. The game needs more grey...

I support more grey options in ME3.

Sidenote: I'm sick of the fairyland notion that every paragon decision results in a good outcome.

I agree in theory. I wouldn't want paragon players to get some horrible ending because of it though.

[Flashy91]

redBadger14 wrote...

@Flashy: Its Buon Giorno You can thank your resident Italian

 I miss one letter and you spellcheck me.... Not cool man

[firecleaner]

jtav wrote...

I have no idea any more. But it seems wildly inconsistent with his character not to hunt Miranda down if she resigns, or reveal Oriana's location to her father. I can see him waiting until the Reapers are gone, but not much longer. Shepard is only one man. I really don't want her on the run for the next twenty years. I want to think of a scenario with a happy ending. Help?

This is really MA's job but let me take a stab at it for you.... TiM spills Oriana location to Miranda's father. Shepard and Miranda destroy the Reapars. Shepard and Miranda go on vacay, get interrupted by Oriana getting kidnapped. Shep/Miranda turn on Badass mode and kill some mercs.... they like killing mercs... 

Really Ieldra or MA or someone else with a lot more writing skill should help you out

[Flashy91]

DarthReavus wrote...
It wasn't that, it was the fact that we were cut off from you.  When I'm gaming with you guys I'd like to be able to talk to all of you and not just one or two.  On L4D Versus you can only talk to your team, not everyone you're playing with.  That's my biggest objection to it so on those grounds alone I don't particularly want to go anywhere near that game mode again.

 Xbox LIVE Party, fixed!

[Collider]

jtav wrote...
I have no idea any more. But it seems wildly inconsistent with his character not to hunt Miranda down if she resigns, or reveal Oriana's location to her father. I can see him waiting until the Reapers are gone, but not much longer. Shepard is only one man. I really don't want her on the run for the next twenty years. I want to think of a scenario with a happy ending. Help?

If the Reapers are gone, should he even care about Miranda and Shepard anymore? I have a feeling that you'll be able to undermine Cerberus in ME3. You also need to consider how Bioware listens to the fans. Virtually no fan of any character wants the horrible ending where their LI dies or Shepard dies or something. That doesn't mean they won't do it, but Bioware has already listened to fans on the subject of romance already. I hope they don't kill off characters just for the BS reason of being edgy.

[Kabraxal]

Flashy91 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

@Flashy: Its Buon Giorno You can thank your resident Italian

 I miss one letter and you spellcheck me.... Not cool man

*tries to keep her from stabbing Badger with a hallucinogen blade*

No reason to stab with that one though Flashy. 


And yes, with that game mode we need to have a party.

[AccursedOdin]

Flashy91 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...
It wasn't that, it was the fact that we were cut off from you.  When I'm gaming with you guys I'd like to be able to talk to all of you and not just one or two.  On L4D Versus you can only talk to your team, not everyone you're playing with.  That's my biggest objection to it so on those grounds alone I don't particularly want to go anywhere near that game mode again.

 Xbox LIVE Party, fixed!

Yes, this way they can hear us plotting their demise!

[Kabraxal]

AccursedOdin wrote...

Flashy91 wrote...

DarthReavus wrote...
It wasn't that, it was the fact that we were cut off from you.  When I'm gaming with you guys I'd like to be able to talk to all of you and not just one or two.  On L4D Versus you can only talk to your team, not everyone you're playing with.  That's my biggest objection to it so on those grounds alone I don't particularly want to go anywhere near that game mode again.

 Xbox LIVE Party, fixed!

Yes, this way they can hear us plotting their demise!

That would be a good thing for us then, wouldn't it?

[MassAffected]

firecleaner wrote...

jtav wrote...

I have no idea any more. But it seems wildly inconsistent with his character not to hunt Miranda down if she resigns, or reveal Oriana's location to her father. I can see him waiting until the Reapers are gone, but not much longer. Shepard is only one man. I really don't want her on the run for the next twenty years. I want to think of a scenario with a happy ending. Help?

This is really MA's job but let me take a stab at it for you.... TiM spills Oriana location to Miranda's father. Shepard and Miranda destroy the Reapars. Shepard and Miranda go on vacay, get interrupted by Oriana getting kidnapped. Shep/Miranda turn on Badass mode and kill some mercs.... they like killing mercs... 

Really Ieldra or MA or someone else with a lot more writing skill should help you out

 I have like ZERO writing skill...

And my brain isn't working right now anywhere near well enough to come up with anything interesting.

[gutty47]

Collider wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think TIM wanted the base for exactly the reason that he said - he wanted some extra firepower against the Reapers. He thinks that he may be able to give the Reapers a taste of their own medicine. I destroyed the base though, because you can't trust Reaper technology like that. Especially with Cerberus.

I want the 'keeping the base' option to be the best outcome for ME3. The game needs more grey...

I support more grey options in ME3.

Sidenote: I'm sick of the fairyland notion that every paragon decision results in a good outcome.

I agree in theory. I wouldn't want paragon players to get some horrible ending because of it though.

Horrible ending for paragon players? No.
Not the best ending possible? Yes.

You shouldn't be able to just hit blue the whole way and 'insta-win' the game. Sure it can be said that you can roleplay your own ending but from what I see a lot of people just 'blue it'. Paragades need some love.

[Collider]

I am also a paragade. Ideally, nothing from ME1 and ME2 should condemn you to a horrible ending in ME3. They may provide variation, but new players to ME3 would be unfairly handicapped if they must get a lackluster ending - new Shepards seem to lean towards killing off people or not doing extra missions.



The base in particular being better off in the long run? I'd prefer if it was more a matter of opinion, gray as you should, then "keeping the base gives you the best ending." That punishes quite a bit of players, who have a good reason not to keep the base. Ideally, both choices would have their own advantages and disadvantages, that is the true gray morality. I can't see much good in Cerberus having all that Reaper technology after the Reapers are gone.

[MassAffected]

I'm still reading the books so my opinion of TiM is going to change over time. At the moment I no longer really see him as the villain. He is however and always will be vindictive in my opinion. What Miranda did to him is nothing short of betrayal and he isn't going to let that go. Oh! Idea! hahaha. How about TiM does not pull his protection of Oriana, instead he goes out of his way to show Miranda that he is still keeping an eye on Oriana for her and protecting her from her father. He could try to sway Miranda into doubting her decision to leave him...into believing that perhaps keeping the base was the right idea. I see him trying to undermine the crew's loyalty to Shepard in order to get revenge...that is IF your Shepard told him to go get hit by a bus.

[MassAffected]

gutty47 wrote...

Collider wrote...

gutty47 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think TIM wanted the base for exactly the reason that he said - he wanted some extra firepower against the Reapers. He thinks that he may be able to give the Reapers a taste of their own medicine. I destroyed the base though, because you can't trust Reaper technology like that. Especially with Cerberus.

I want the 'keeping the base' option to be the best outcome for ME3. The game needs more grey...

I support more grey options in ME3.

Sidenote: I'm sick of the fairyland notion that every paragon decision results in a good outcome.

I agree in theory. I wouldn't want paragon players to get some horrible ending because of it though.

Horrible ending for paragon players? No.
Not the best ending possible? Yes.

You shouldn't be able to just hit blue the whole way and 'insta-win' the game. Sure it can be said that you can roleplay your own ending but from what I see a lot of people just 'blue it'. Paragades need some love.

Preach it!!!

[redBadger14]

@Flashy: Haha mi dispiace signoria

Can't wait to procure L4D2 later, I'm sure I'll have fun with you all ^-^

[Kabraxal]

redBadger14 wrote...

@Flashy: Haha mi dispiace signoria
Can't wait to procure L4D2 later, I'm sure I'll have fun with you all ^-^

Solemn vow.... you will not leave Kabraxal behind to die... you would rather die heroically attempting to rescue the poor bastard rather that flee like a coward

(just to be clear, I am just having fun with being flung forty yards by a tank and thus being sentenced to death... I almost screamed like a little girl too)

[gutty47]

Collider wrote...

I am also a paragade. Ideally, nothing from ME1 and ME2 should condemn you to a horrible ending in ME3. They may provide variation, but new players to ME3 would be unfairly handicapped if they must get a lackluster ending - new Shepards seem to lean towards killing off people or not doing extra missions.

The base in particular being better off in the long run? I'd prefer if it was more a matter of opinion, gray as you should, then "keeping the base gives you the best ending." That punishes quite a bit of players, who have a good reason not to keep the base. Ideally, both choices would have their own advantages and disadvantages, that is the true gray morality. I can't see much good in Cerberus having all that Reaper technology after the Reapers are gone.

You make good points and I can't disagree with it much...

Each time the Collectors traded they gave advanced technology in returns. This only gave the recipients a brief advantage before it was absorbed by the Citadel races. Giving the tech to Cerberus isn't going to do much in the long run.

Plus I absolutely hate the ingame reasons Shepard gave for the blowing up the base. Eewww.

[Collider]

Can't do much about that. Even if I would have worded it differently, it would be more out of character for my Shepard to keep the base for Cerberus. Maybe the split off can be as thus - keeping the base can give short term benefit, but in the long term Cerberus, if not undermined or destroyed, has dangerous technology for their dangerous activities. Destroying the base puts you at a disadvantage against the Reapers, but you don't have Cerberus around using Reaper tech. In addition, you may get some help from the Alliance anyway, I doubt the Alliance would be too keen on Shepard giving Reaper technology to a terrorist organization.

[gutty47]

Maviarab wrote...

and to reiterate...there is no grey, your emotions make it grey.

Are you a robot? Using your argument, theres no white or black or any other colour because its all defined by emotions.

[gutty47]

Maviarab wrote...

Gutty...Im not going to repeat myself...go back a few pages for a full explanation.

I've already read a few pages back and your argument didn't make sense then either. Agree to disagree...

[Collider]

He is basically saying, if I am correct, that objectively, there is nothing morally good or morally bad. By extension, there is nothing morally gray objectively. I could be misinterpreting him though.

[Ieldra]

gutty47 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think TIM wanted the base for exactly the reason that he said - he wanted some extra firepower against the Reapers. He thinks that he may be able to give the Reapers a taste of their own medicine. I destroyed the base though, because you can't trust Reaper technology like that. Especially with Cerberus.

I want the 'keeping the base' option to be the best outcome for ME3. The game needs more grey...

I support more grey options in ME3.

Sidenote: I'm sick of the fairyland notion that every paragon decision results in a good outcome.

QFT. I support this!