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Warming to Miranda (Support Thread) 2.0
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#35951
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 08:23
kraidy1117
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*points and laughs at Kab*
Retour en haut
#35952
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 08:34
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Time to call it quits for the night, take care everyone!
#35955
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 08:41
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AccursedOdin wrote...
But pyramids are marvelous structures, gutty!
I spent unbelievably long time optimising that gif...
#35957
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 10:29
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Oh great the thread is going dead again XD Good morning people, got classes as usual.
@Gutty: Nice job with the optimizing
@Gutty: Nice job with the optimizing
#35958
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 10:40
Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien
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Morning all
Tummyhug FTW... because a day isn't a day in the MiriManiac topic without a tummyhug
Tummyhug FTW... because a day isn't a day in the MiriManiac topic without a tummyhug
#35959
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 10:47
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Going now but saw the new Gears 3 trailer "Ashes to Ashes", looks cool
Ok guys, be back later, keep the thread alive!
Ok guys, be back later, keep the thread alive!
#35960
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 12:45
DarthReavus
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*Staggers into thread clutching leg*
ARGH! This stupid bloody heel is killing me!
*Sits down in big chair*
ARGH! This stupid bloody heel is killing me!
*Sits down in big chair*
#35961
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:04
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I said I'd elaborate on why I think Miranda will probably not want to marry. This is why:
When you look at the role of marriage within a human society, you can see it is twofold. First, it is a personal affirmation of commitment to a relationship. Provided that both can agree about the expectations attached to this affirmation of commitment, Miranda might not have a problem with this part, for in spite of her history of being extremely careful with emotional attachments, she's clearly ready for it with regard to Shepard.
But marriage is also an institution: it puts a stamp on you: "officially sanctioned couple", enshrines the relationship in customs and traditions and from then on, you're recognized as an entity by the society at large. It also signifies that the relationships needs approval from without. However weak this symbolism may have become among the more liberal-minded societies of humanity, I do not think Miranda would care for it at all - you can recognize that if you try to compare her with Ashley. As opposed to Ashley, Miranda is thoroughly non-traditional. She's scientifically-minded and very probably not religious, she works with Cerberus, which requires being morally flexible even if you discount the atrocities she rejects, she herself is the embodiment of overthrowing existing ideas on how things should be done, or not. While she has not answered, for herself, the question of what her being "engineered for perfection" means, she is comfortable with it. I do not think she would care at all for being bound by the customs of a tradition that has a history of questioning the validity of her own existence and the work she does, however diluted it may have become. And all human traditions have such a history, or they wouldn't be what they are.
So, when I think about Shepard and Miranda, I can imagine they'd want to affirm their relationship in some way, but as far as Miranda is concerned, she'll not have "officially sanctioned couple" stamped on her and Shepard. She would not want to marry. In everyday life, the difference may seem negligible, but the symbolism is significant. It's either an expression of the way you think and feel about it, or it will shape how you think and feel about it. For Miranda, it's not the former and she wouldn't want the latter.
I'd like to add that the same thinking does not apply to having children. If Miranda would come to have children, she'd make any effort to ensure they have a better childhood than she herself has had. But in which way that would happen is anyone's guess. I agree with those who say that Miranda will probably want children at some time in the future, but it may well be 20 years after the events of ME3. Between the already increased standard human lifespan and Miranda's extra optimization, 20 years sounds about reasonable. It could be more. At the same time, I would not want ME3 to present us with an epilogue involving Shepard's and Miranda's children, unless it's optional, since I'm undecided about how I'd want Miranda's future in my games.
To come to my personal preferences, I have repeatedly said I'd like some kind of "riding off into the sunset" ending. This would leave the future unknown, and leaves open the possibility that it will enfold in ways I cannot imagine in this day and time. Marriage would - symbolically - tie Miranda's and Shepard's future to what has come before, instead of making them break away into the unknown.
When you look at the role of marriage within a human society, you can see it is twofold. First, it is a personal affirmation of commitment to a relationship. Provided that both can agree about the expectations attached to this affirmation of commitment, Miranda might not have a problem with this part, for in spite of her history of being extremely careful with emotional attachments, she's clearly ready for it with regard to Shepard.
But marriage is also an institution: it puts a stamp on you: "officially sanctioned couple", enshrines the relationship in customs and traditions and from then on, you're recognized as an entity by the society at large. It also signifies that the relationships needs approval from without. However weak this symbolism may have become among the more liberal-minded societies of humanity, I do not think Miranda would care for it at all - you can recognize that if you try to compare her with Ashley. As opposed to Ashley, Miranda is thoroughly non-traditional. She's scientifically-minded and very probably not religious, she works with Cerberus, which requires being morally flexible even if you discount the atrocities she rejects, she herself is the embodiment of overthrowing existing ideas on how things should be done, or not. While she has not answered, for herself, the question of what her being "engineered for perfection" means, she is comfortable with it. I do not think she would care at all for being bound by the customs of a tradition that has a history of questioning the validity of her own existence and the work she does, however diluted it may have become. And all human traditions have such a history, or they wouldn't be what they are.
So, when I think about Shepard and Miranda, I can imagine they'd want to affirm their relationship in some way, but as far as Miranda is concerned, she'll not have "officially sanctioned couple" stamped on her and Shepard. She would not want to marry. In everyday life, the difference may seem negligible, but the symbolism is significant. It's either an expression of the way you think and feel about it, or it will shape how you think and feel about it. For Miranda, it's not the former and she wouldn't want the latter.
I'd like to add that the same thinking does not apply to having children. If Miranda would come to have children, she'd make any effort to ensure they have a better childhood than she herself has had. But in which way that would happen is anyone's guess. I agree with those who say that Miranda will probably want children at some time in the future, but it may well be 20 years after the events of ME3. Between the already increased standard human lifespan and Miranda's extra optimization, 20 years sounds about reasonable. It could be more. At the same time, I would not want ME3 to present us with an epilogue involving Shepard's and Miranda's children, unless it's optional, since I'm undecided about how I'd want Miranda's future in my games.
To come to my personal preferences, I have repeatedly said I'd like some kind of "riding off into the sunset" ending. This would leave the future unknown, and leaves open the possibility that it will enfold in ways I cannot imagine in this day and time. Marriage would - symbolically - tie Miranda's and Shepard's future to what has come before, instead of making them break away into the unknown.
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#35962
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:11
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This place is deader than last night
Whats happened
#35963
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:15
DarthReavus
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*Grunts in pain*Guardian295 wrote...
This place is deader than last night
Whats happened
Not a lot, just trying to not be in pain
#35964
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:20
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The leg worse todayDarthReavus wrote...
*Grunts in pain*Guardian295 wrote...
This place is deader than last night
Whats happened
Not a lot, just trying to not be in pain
#35965
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:23
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Deader than the Prothean home world!
#35966
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:24
DarthReavus
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Even though I'm wearing a support on my ankle to try and protect my heel I still managed to pull it and cause it to twinge. Not the smartest thing I've ever doneGuardian295 wrote...
The leg worse todayDarthReavus wrote...
*Grunts in pain*Guardian295 wrote...
This place is deader than last night
Whats happened
Not a lot, just trying to not be in pain
#35967
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:26
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I warned youDarthReavus wrote...
Even though I'm wearing a support on my ankle to try and protect my heel I still managed to pull it and cause it to twinge. Not the smartest thing I've ever doneGuardian295 wrote...
The leg worse todayDarthReavus wrote...
*Grunts in pain*Guardian295 wrote...
This place is deader than last night
Whats happened
Not a lot, just trying to not be in pain
Here this should help with the pain
**hands Darth a bottle of 18 year old scotch**
enjoy
#35968
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:28
DarthReavus
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*Takes bottle and cuddles it*
Thank you sir!
Thank you sir!
#35969
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:31
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Morning all.
Ieldra, I will respond to your points later when I'm more awake. Suffice to say I agree with you about some things and passionately disagree about others.
Ieldra, I will respond to your points later when I'm more awake. Suffice to say I agree with you about some things and passionately disagree about others.
#35970
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:31
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AnytimeDarthReavus wrote...
*Takes bottle and cuddles it*
Thank you sir!
and don't worry he has many brothers
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#35972
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 01:39
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Good morning, jtav.jtav wrote...
Ieldra, I will respond to your points later when I'm more awake. Suffice to say I agree with you about some things and passionately disagree about others.
I'm aware that this topic is liable to evoke some passion. Perhaps you'd also like to respond to this:
I think you make too much of Miranda's "issues". The only real issue IMO is her selective perception when it comes to Cerberus, for she doesn't think clearly here. Any other aspects you name "issues" I consider personality traits, and even more, Miranda is aware of how she thinks and feels about things there. Sure there are traits that could cause problems for her, and it's legitimate to use them in stories in such a way, but I think we shouldn't overstress them.
#35974
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 02:23
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i cant keep up with what is happening here... we were at 2 pg... not good.
did i miss sth?
Hi, btw.
did i miss sth?
Hi, btw.
#35975
Posté 13 avril 2010 - 02:27
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I'll respond to your second half now because I'm less like;y to say something dreadfully offensive. Let me say first off that I don't think there's a right way to interpret Miranda. Including mine. That said, I think it's fairly she doesn't feel she has a great deal of self-worth beyond her usefulness as a tool. She says as much. As for trust/intimacy, she does call her trust in Niket a weakness, and I firmly believe it wasn't.
I'm sorry if I give the impression that these issues dominate her. They don't. Her father didn't break her. I just think they're there and find them useful to keep in mind.
I'm sorry if I give the impression that these issues dominate her. They don't. Her father didn't break her. I just think they're there and find them useful to keep in mind.
