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[Andysilv]

That's great Breakdown!

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
I think Miranda has been with Cerberus for far longer than a week before Project Lazarus as well, mainly because Miranda would of had to be 'tested' by the Illusive Man for a bit before being tasked with the single greatest project Cerberus has arguably undertaken.

Here's my personal version of integrating events in Miranda's life into the timeline:

2150 Miranda is born
2166 Oriana is born
2166 Miranda runs away from home
2166 Miranda joins Cerberus
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father
2183 Lazarus project starts
2185 Events of ME2

So there are about 16 years in which Miranda worked for Cerberus even before the Lazarus project starts. Time enough to spend some time at a university, sponsored by Cerberus, and to rise in its ranks so that when Lazarus project starts, she has both the abilities she needs and TIM's confidence. 

That can't be right because Oriana is 19 years old now. I also think it would be a traumatic experience for a family to have their adopted child suddenly grow up within a couple of years as opposed to a normal lifespan (I'm assuming that being genetically engineered does not mean you grow up (as in physical maturity) at a greater rate, simply because nothing has been mentioned to indicate that this is the case).

Do 19 year old's frequently get adopted irl? As a 19 year old is of a mature (legal) age in most countries, I find it implausible that a family would 'adopt' one.

[Breakdown Boy]

Wow....life in the thread! It's alive...it's alive!!!!!

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
I think Miranda has been with Cerberus for far longer than a week before Project Lazarus as well, mainly because Miranda would of had to be 'tested' by the Illusive Man for a bit before being tasked with the single greatest project Cerberus has arguably undertaken.

Here's my personal version of integrating events in Miranda's life into the timeline:

2150 Miranda is born
2166 Oriana is born
2166 Miranda runs away from home
2166 Miranda joins Cerberus
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father
2183 Lazarus project starts
2185 Events of ME2

So there are about 16 years in which Miranda worked for Cerberus even before the Lazarus project starts. Time enough to spend some time at a university, sponsored by Cerberus, and to rise in its ranks so that when Lazarus project starts, she has both the abilities she needs and TIM's confidence. 

That can't be right because Oriana is 19 years old now.

If I may quote myself

2166 Oriana is born
2185 Events of ME2

See...19 years.

Do 19 year old's frequently get adopted irl? As a 19 year old is of a mature (legal) age in most countries, I find it implausible that a family would 'adopt' one.

If I may quote myself again:

2166 Oriana is born
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father

See...she gets new parents at an age of 1 year.

I wonder what you read in my post - whatever it was, it wasn't what I wrote.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 09:58 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Arijharn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...
I think Miranda has been with Cerberus for far longer than a week before Project Lazarus as well, mainly because Miranda would of had to be 'tested' by the Illusive Man for a bit before being tasked with the single greatest project Cerberus has arguably undertaken.

Here's my personal version of integrating events in Miranda's life into the timeline:

2150 Miranda is born
2166 Oriana is born
2166 Miranda runs away from home
2166 Miranda joins Cerberus
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father
2183 Lazarus project starts
2185 Events of ME2

So there are about 16 years in which Miranda worked for Cerberus even before the Lazarus project starts. Time enough to spend some time at a university, sponsored by Cerberus, and to rise in its ranks so that when Lazarus project starts, she has both the abilities she needs and TIM's confidence. 

That can't be right because Oriana is 19 years old now. I also think it would be a traumatic experience for a family to have their adopted child suddenly grow up within a couple of years as opposed to a normal lifespan (I'm assuming that being genetically engineered does not mean you grow up (as in physical maturity) at a greater rate, simply because nothing has been mentioned to indicate that this is the case).

Do 19 year old's frequently get adopted irl? As a 19 year old is of a mature (legal) age in most countries, I find it implausible that a family would 'adopt' one.

2166 Oriana Born 
2185 Miranda saves Oriana on Illium

2185-2166 = 19

[Breakdown Boy]

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!



Miri likes them young! Cougar!

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!

Miri likes them young! Cougar!

Bah.
(1) Four years in the thirties counts as the same age with regard to relationships. It's really nothing.
(2) Add the fact that Miranda ages more slowly than the average human, and she might even be biologically younger.

BTW: What does "Cougar" mean?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 10:09 .

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!

Miri likes them young! Cougar!

Bah.
(1) Four years in the thirties counts as the same age with regard to relationships. It's really nothing.
(2) Add the fact that Miranda ages more slowly than the average human, and she might even be biologically younger.

BTW: What does "Cougar" mean?

older lady goes for younger guys.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I've been thinking about what I would have done if I'd been in charge of Miranda's romance since I've been vocal about how much I hate the actual culmination scene, and I've come up with something that I like. Warning:this is unabashedly sentimental. Not for all viewers.

What I would've done is split the romance into two paths during the last normal conversation. If you choose either "Love?" or "don't know, don't care" then the romance plays out as normal except that Miranda doesn't ask you to promise her that you won't die. Instead, you get something much more funny and flirty -- more in keeping with the engine room scene.

However, if you agree to remain friends until you save the galaxy, then the romance is different. I'd tweak the dialogue to emphasize that Miranda doesn't want to give her heart away only to see it broken. There'd be an even stronger undercurrent of "when this is over..."

When you go through the relay, Miranda would come to your quarters. She's been doing some thinking, and decided that she doesn't want to wait after all. She then asks you to promise that you won't die. Same dialog as we have now (hug and "worth it" included), except she kisses you passionately at the end. Cue sex scene.

Good idea? Horrible?

i think anything like this for any romance would just confuse players, it's better to have a definitive scene as a culmination of your romantic efforts. for myself i like to force miranda to admit the pursuit of romance is worth the risk of death, which then makes her act of coming to you (taking the initiative) more realistic.

[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!

Miri likes them young! Cougar!

Bah.
(1) Four years in the thirties counts as the same age with regard to relationships. It's really nothing.
(2) Add the fact that Miranda ages more slowly than the average human, and she might even be biologically younger.

BTW: What does "Cougar" mean?

In America there is a feline predator called a Cougar, the female would only choose younger and tronger males as their mates. Hence they call women in the US who go after young men Cougars. 

[Karstedt]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's my personal version of integrating events in Miranda's life into the timeline:

2150 Miranda is born
2166 Oriana is born
2166 Miranda runs away from home
2166 Miranda joins Cerberus
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father
2183 Lazarus project starts
2185 Events of ME2

So there are about 16 years in which Miranda worked for Cerberus even before the Lazarus project starts. Time enough to spend some time at a university, sponsored by Cerberus, and to rise in its ranks so that when Lazarus project starts, she has both the abilities she needs and TIM's confidence. 

don't forget, 2155, Yaphet Kotto dies at age 218 but still looks the same as he does now!

[Ieldra]

Karstedt wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's my personal version of integrating events in Miranda's life into the timeline:

2150 Miranda is born
2166 Oriana is born
2166 Miranda runs away from home
2166 Miranda joins Cerberus
2167 Miranda takes Oriana away from her father
2183 Lazarus project starts
2185 Events of ME2

So there are about 16 years in which Miranda worked for Cerberus even before the Lazarus project starts. Time enough to spend some time at a university, sponsored by Cerberus, and to rise in its ranks so that when Lazarus project starts, she has both the abilities she needs and TIM's confidence. 

don't forget, 2155, Yaphet Kotto dies at age 218 but still looks the same as he does now!

??? *looking extremely confused* How does he come into this? ???

@Breakdown Boy:
Thanks for the explanation. I knew about the animal, but not the other details so I didn't make the connection.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[SgtPotato]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!

Miri likes them young! Cougar!

Bah.
(1) Four years in the thirties counts as the same age with regard to relationships. It's really nothing.
(2) Add the fact that Miranda ages more slowly than the average human, and she might even be biologically younger.

BTW: What does "Cougar" mean?

In America there is a feline predator called a Cougar, the female would only choose younger and tronger males as their mates. Hence they call women in the US who go after young men Cougars. 

Well. You could call them Black Widows...



Or not.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

That makes Miranda 35 and Shepard 31! He bagged himself a suger mommy and is Jacob is 28!

Miri likes them young! Cougar!

Bah.
(1) Four years in the thirties counts as the same age with regard to relationships. It's really nothing.
(2) Add the fact that Miranda ages more slowly than the average human, and she might even be biologically younger.

BTW: What does "Cougar" mean?

Miranda's age as 35 comes from the single source - the official Mass Effect site. But it's not the in-game knowledge. I don't know if it was done on purpose, but almost all characters' ages are messed up.

Grunt, 22? Yeah. 22 years in the tank. Poor turtle!
Zaeed, 40? Sure. and founded the Blue Suns at the age of 15.
Mordin, 50? Unless he spent 20 years in cryosleep, he must roll around in a wheel chair with salarian version of Alzheimer's syndrome.
Jack, ?? What? being a primary subject in a Cerberus experiment her date of birth must be known precisely.
Samara, ~600? But given Morinth (who got no slot at all) is ~440 was born after Samara had entered her matron stage, she must be closer to 750-800.
Garrus & Legion - still "classified"!!!

This also goes to the "classes" section. The Vanguard has listed the names of one of the evolved versions of his ammo powers, instead of basic ones.

So Miranda probably is younger, than 35. In 2150 biotics were hardly heard of to be genetically engineered into her. Most probably, she is less then 25, as it was 2160, when BAaT was started and Red Sand developed.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 11:50 .

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Lets hope her father is scared of Shepard

If he's got any sense, he'll not start anything - no matter what background Shep has, there is a certain elemental force of nature/irrestible force aspect to Shep that tends to bode ill for those who cross him/her.

It might be a femShep - but this about sums it up (picture from the "Motivationals" thread):
]SNIP[
So yeah, he should be scared of messing with Shepard. But I would prefer Miranda to deal with him herself if it comes to a final conflict. It would be fitting.

I'd prefer Miranda to deal with it as well, but certainly if Shep has romanced Miranda, you ****** her off and guess what? ****** off one saviour of the galaxy, get another pissed off for free!

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks she and Shep would be even more formal with each other in front of the crew once they're in public. I can see them almost making a game of who could be more scrupulous about protocol.

I think Miranda is a person who values her privacy and would prefer their relationship not to be very visible at work. So yes, I can see that, too. At the same time, I think they would get some amusement out of that game, putting hidden meanings into standard phrases and competing with each other about how long they can keep this up before the pretense shatters in an explosion of irrepressible mirth. So I can see it going both ways, and they may be formal, but they certainly wouldn't be able to hide it all from the crew.

You're not the only one jtav. I think it fits - I can certainly see them having a mini competition to see who can wind the other up without any one else noticing. Granted, I'm betting the crew is likely to notice eventually, but I don't think they'd officially notice what Shep and Miranda are doing. I can also see it being a topic of amusement amongst the command staff (read: Garrus, Joker et al) as well.
Although, the geek in me would love it if either of them used "As you wish." - I was hugely amused to see the Princess Bride quotes in Dragon Age.

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Miranda's age as 35 comes from the single source - the official Mass Effect site. But it's not the in-game knowledge.

It is plausible, nonetheless. Here's some in-game knowledge:
(1) Oriana is 19 in ME2
(2) Miranda took Oriana away from her father when she was a small child.
(3) When Miranda ran away from her father, this involved gunshots.

It follows that Miranda had the physical and mental strength to defy her father  - with gunshots involved - at the latest when Oriana was a small child. In my estimation, that would put her minimum age at that time at 15 or 16, and considering that Oriana may have been up to two years old when Miranda took her away, that would put her minimum age in ME2 at 32, with 35 being much more plausible.

The only inconsistent fact is her biotic ability, which - according to the Codex - only develops in humans who have been exposed to eezo in utero, and that effect was discovered in 2151. But that's because the post-contact world timeline is complete nonsense, not because her personal history is inconsistent with itself.

Grunt, 22? Yeah. 22 years in the tank. Poor turtle!
Zaeed, 40? Sure. and founded the Blue Suns at the age of 15.
Mordin, 50? Unless he spent 20 years in cryosleep, he must roll around in a wheel chair with salarian version of Alzheimer's syndrome.
Jack, ?? What? being a primary subject in a Cerberus experiment her date of birth must be known precisely.
Samara, ~600? But given Morinth (who got no slot at all) is ~440 was born after Samara had entered her matron stage, she must be closer to 750-800.
Garrus & Legion - still "classified"!!!

Where did you get this information?

So Miranda probably is younger, than 35. In 2150 biotics were hardly heard of to be genetically engineered into her. Most probably, she is less then 25, as it was 2160, when BAaT was started and Red Sand developed.

As I said, the post-contact world timeline is nonsense. IMO there should be a hundred years or three between First Contact and the events of ME1. And Miranda can't be 25 - see above for in-game knowledge that leads to this conclusion.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 12:23 .

[Breakdown Boy]

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Miranda's age as 35 comes from the single source - the official Mass Effect site. But it's not the in-game knowledge.

It is plausible, nonetheless. Here's some in-game knowledge:
(1) Oriana is 19 in ME2
(2) Miranda took Oriana away from her father when she was a small child.
(3) When Miranda ran away from her father, this involved gunshots.

It follows that Miranda had the physical and mental strength to defy her father  - with gunshots involved - at the latest when Oriana was a small child. In my estimation, that would put her minimum age at that time at 15 or 16, and considering that Oriana may have been up to two years old when Miranda took her away, that would put her minimum age in ME2 at 32, with 35 being much more plausible.

The only inconsistent fact is her biotic ability, which - according to the Codex - only develops in humans who have been exposed to eezo in utero, and that effect was discovered in 2151. But that's because the post-contact world timeline is complete nonsense, not because her personal history is inconsistent with itself.

Grunt, 22? Yeah. 22 years in the tank. Poor turtle!
Zaeed, 40? Sure. and founded the Blue Suns at the age of 15.
Mordin, 50? Unless he spent 20 years in cryosleep, he must roll around in a wheel chair with salarian version of Alzheimer's syndrome.
Jack, ?? What? being a primary subject in a Cerberus experiment her date of birth must be known precisely.
Samara, ~600? But given Morinth (who got no slot at all) is ~440 was born after Samara had entered her matron stage, she must be closer to 750-800.
Garrus & Legion - still "classified"!!!

Where did you get this information?

So Miranda probably is younger, than 35. In 2150 biotics were hardly heard of to be genetically engineered into her. Most probably, she is less then 25, as it was 2160, when BAaT was started and Red Sand developed.

As I said, the post-contact world timeline is nonsense. IMO there should be a hundred years or three between First Contact and the events of ME1. And Miranda can't be 25 - see above for in-game knowledge that leads to this conclusion.

I agree, that the Humanity's boost was a little too fast, but still ME1 Codex timeline was up to writers' will and it was not self-contradictory. Contradictory are the facts that contradict the earlier established canon (which includes a wide range of things from Miranda's biotics and her being 35, to thermal ammo gameplay). That is nonsense indeed.

The characters' ages are listed there: http://masseffect.bioware.com/universe.
And nowhere in ME2 itself. From there those silly numbers made into Wiki.

In ME1 Liara was 106 and Tali was 22, and Shepard was 29 - confirmed in the game itself. I believe Anderson's and Saren's birth dates were revealed in "Mass Effect: Revelation" novel. But that's all.

[Zulu_DFA]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

Wiki is a secondary source. It simply mirrors the BS of the official site http://masseffect.bioware.com/universe, where it comes to characters' age. The primary source - the Mass Effect 2 game does not support the official site's BS.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 12:47 .

[jtav]

Morning.

Breakdown Boy: That TIME cover is awesome!

[Valmy]

The timeline for Mass Effect is simply messed up and best to be ignored.

[Prudii Aden]

Breakdown boy - the Time covers are stonkingly good!

[Zulu_DFA]

It would make much more sense if the characters' age were as follows:



Jack = 35 (looking younger because of several years of cryostasis in jails), and she could have become indeed one of the first human biotics by being exposed in the womb to Singapore accident or any other.

Grunt = ?? (O'Keer forgot to brief Shepard in this respect.)

Mordin = 39

Thane = 40

Miranda = 22 (Smart girl! Oriana, being just a back-up copy -- not so smart.)

Zaeed = 50. (Could have fought in the First Contact War at the age of 22, quit soon after, in 3 years found the Blue Suns, then in 5 years get shot by Vido)



May be they just misread their own documentation?

[Breakdown Boy]

Morning (Good afternoon) Jtav.



Thanks, working on Vanity Fair cover for Miranda special....having some dificulty.