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[Valmy]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

The latest Time 2185 issue. To come Vanity Fair special on Shepard's special lady.

Reapers?  I presume a responsible magazine like Time will dismiss that claim.

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I agree, that the Humanity's boost was a little too fast, but still ME1 Codex timeline was up to writers' will and it was not self-contradictory. Contradictory are the facts that contradict the earlier established canon (which includes a wide range of things from Miranda's biotics and her being 35, to thermal ammo gameplay). That is nonsense indeed.

I find it easier to ignore a nonsensical timeline in the first place.

But since Miranda's age makes sense in any other respect and we're stuck with the timeline, her biotic abilities must be retconned. This is easy since there is a precedent: Shepard can go from Soldier in ME1 to Adept in ME2, and if he had been exposed, it would very probably be known. It follows there must be an experimental or extremely expensive procedure by which the eezo nodules in the brain necessary for biotic ability can be implanted and connected without previous exposure to eezo in utero. Miranda's father might have, with Cerberus' help, done this to her.

[Valmy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Miranda = 22 (Smart girl! Oriana, being just a back-up copy -- not so smart.)

Well she is a genius...but there is no way a young woman of 22 could have achieved all she has.  She just acts like a veteran, 35 makes alot more sense to me...

well I guess it makes no sense by the official timeline though.

Modifié par Valmy, 15 avril 2010 - 01:28 .

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Miranda = 22 (Smart girl! Oriana, being just a back-up copy -- not so smart.)

Well she is a genius...but there is no way a young woman of 22 could have achieved all she has.  The just acts like a veteran, 35 makes alot more sense to me...

well I guess it makes no sense by the official timeline though.

See my post above yours for a retcon. 22 is just silly - when Miranda took Oriana away, she (Miranda) would've been...well...about 4 or 5, and having exchanged gunshots with her father at the same time latest.

@jtav:
Good morning.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 01:25 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I agree, that the Humanity's boost was a little too fast, but still ME1 Codex timeline was up to writers' will and it was not self-contradictory. Contradictory are the facts that contradict the earlier established canon (which includes a wide range of things from Miranda's biotics and her being 35, to thermal ammo gameplay). That is nonsense indeed.

I find it easier to ignore a nonsensical timeline in the first place.

But since Miranda's age makes sense in any other respect and we're stuck with the timeline, her biotic abilities must be retconned. This is easy since there is a precedent: Shepard can go from Soldier in ME1 to Adept in ME2, and if he had been exposed, it would very probably be known. It follows there must be an experimental or extremely expensive procedure by which the eezo nodules in the brain necessary for biotic ability can be implanted and connected without previous exposure to eezo in utero. Miranda's father might have, with Cerberus' help, done this to her.

Default ShepLoo is meant to be a Soldier. Being techie/biotic and even more so switching to biotics during Lazarus is just fanservice, like biologically ridiculous talimance.

And Legion is not supposed to be healed by medigel, right?

Mass Effect 2 brought about too many discrepancies, for Miranda's age listed at the official site to be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, we don't know her age.

[Valmy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mass Effect 2 brought about too many discrepancies, for Miranda's age listed at the official site to be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, we don't know her age.

She was a teenager when she ran away from her father this we know.  We also know she found out at some later time and stole Oriana away.  Oriana is 19, ergo Miranda must bw 19+at least 13.  Her running away and stealing Oriana at 16 is perfectly reasonable.  Ergo 35 must roughly be her age.

Of course, as noted, this is all nonsense if we accept the primary timeline.

Best to just ignore it entirely.  Humanity is WAY to well integrated into galactic society for it to make any sense they only joined a few decades before.

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Default ShepLoo is meant to be a Soldier.

That's Not My Shepard.
So you now go to invalidate anyone's game who's not played Shepard as a Soldier. Thanks a lot of defining the meaninglessness of a story I enjoy for me. I think i'll better ignore you from now on.... this can only devolve into unpleasantness.

Troll.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 01:40 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Valmy wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mass Effect 2 brought about too many discrepancies, for Miranda's age listed at the official site to be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, we don't know her age.

She was a teenager when she ran away from her father this we know.  We also know she found out at some later time and stole Oriana away.  Oriana is 19, ergo Miranda must bw 19+at least 13.  Her running away and stealing Oriana at 16 is perfectly reasonable.  Ergo 35 must roughly be her age.

Of course, as noted, this is all nonsense if we accept the primary timeline.

Best to just ignore it entirely.  Humanity is WAY to well integrated into galactic society for it to make any sense they only joined a few decades before.

Oriana could have been 10 years old while being kidnapped by Miranda.

And somebody in ME2 team should have payed more respect to the original timeline (as to the canon in general), and not have put humans in every corner of Omega and Illium. ME2 could have been made much more consistent.

But now indeed, on our part it is better to completely ignore all this mess.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Default ShepLoo is meant to be a Soldier.

That's Not My Shepard.
So you now go to invalidate anyone's game who's not played Shepard as a Soldier. Thanks a lot of defining the meaninglessness of a story I enjoy for me. I think i'll better ignore you from now on.... this can only devolve into unpleasantness.

Troll.

deafult shep IS supposed to be a soldier - that's why he tends to sport the AR in all the pre-set cuts-cenes. it doesn't invalidate your (or my) playthrough to state that, though... i do remember seeing a dev-timeline on the original forums which also accounted for primary and secondary eezo-exposures for shepard, as well (to explain biotic-shepards).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 15 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Default ShepLoo is meant to be a Soldier.

That's Not My Shepard.
So you now go to invalidate anyone's game who's not played Shepard as a Soldier. Thanks a lot of defining the meaninglessness of a story I enjoy for me. I think i'll better ignore you from now on.... this can only devolve into unpleasantness.

Troll.

No I don't. My single Shepard is Infiltrator (both in ME1 & 2), and has a much more military face, than ShepLoo. I may assure you I'm not going to invalidate my own Shepard.

[Valmy]

Jebel Krong wrote...
that's why he tends to sport the AR in all the pre-set cuts-cenes. it doesn't invalidate your (or my) playthrough to state that, though...

Does he?  I thought he always had a pistol in the cut scenes.

[Jebel Krong]

Valmy wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
that's why he tends to sport the AR in all the pre-set cuts-cenes. it doesn't invalidate your (or my) playthrough to state that, though...

Does he?  I thought he always had a pistol in the cut scenes.

does in some, but even in the kasumi dlc he has an AR at the end. main ones i remember are certainly most of the collector-ship cut-scenes. i found it a bit odd and jarring because your armour is always correct, but your guns don't change to reflect possible class.

[firecleaner]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

The latest Time 2185 issue. To come Vanity Fair special on Shepard's special lady.

Great work on the cover!

@ Valmy Shepard usually busts out an AR in the cutscenes even if your Shepard cant use one.

[Valmy]

In ME1 he always uses a pistol in the cut scenes. I know because ALL my Sheps used assault rifles so I found it sorta annoying.



I guess they want the other direction in ME2.

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
And somebody in ME2 team should have payed more respect to the original timeline (as to the canon in general), and not have put humans in every corner of Omega and Illium. ME2 could have been made much more consistent.

They should have made a timeline that makes sense in the first place. You seem to think that ME1 should overrule ME2 even where ME1 doesn't make sense. I don't agree.

Too bad it's not feasible to simply invalidate the timeline, but where it creates a problem (as with Miranda's age) instead of some other factor (as with Zaeed's age), then I'd rather choose to ignore it than change something else that makes sense. 

[DarthReavus]

Valmy wrote...

In ME1 he always uses a pistol in the cut scenes. I know because ALL my Sheps used assault rifles so I found it sorta annoying.

I guess they want the other direction in ME2.

Not really, in a lot of scenes Shepard is seen using a submachine gun, even if he's a Soldier and doesn't have one.  In those seens he's always using the Shuriken, but if your Shepard has an SMG then it's whatever SMG he's carrying instead.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...
In ME1 he always uses a pistol in the cut scenes. I know because ALL my Sheps used assault rifles so I found it sorta annoying.

I guess they want the other direction in ME2.

I remember that. Shooting at Saren with a pistol on Virmire felt unreal.

I don't mind the way they went in ME2. I consider the weapon restrictions an element of game mechanics with no real-world equivalent anyway. Which military man (or woman) doesn't learn to use an AR? So it's easy to pretend that all my Shepards can use an AR even while they may not be at their best with them, instead of having to see them shoot with pistols because every class can use them.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 02:09 .

[Jebel Krong]

seen this? (can't be bothered to wade through 40 pages of thread on the off-chance):



cr: here.

[Valmy]

Very cute, no I don't think anybody had posted that before

[jtav]

Speaking of the timeline, here's one I've been arguing with myself about since the game was released: is Shepard 29 or 31 in ME2?



Personally, I like that he's a few years younger than she is. Fits with how I RP him: he's more idealistic than she is, though not to the point of being naive. Also, he's keenly aware that he's succeeded less by being "the biggest badass in the galaxy" than by refusing to give up. Both of them are determined to the point of stubbornness. They like that about each other, most of the time. But I really hate Super!Shep. Boring.

[firecleaner]

jtav wrote...
 But I really hate Super!Shep. Boring.

Who is Super! Shep?

Modifié par firecleaner, 15 avril 2010 - 02:20 .

[Valmy]

firecleaner wrote...
Who is Super! Shep?

Idealized perfect Shepard who can do no wrong I presume.

[MassAffected]

firecleaner wrote...

jtav wrote...
 But I really hate Super!Shep. Boring.

Who is Super! Shep?

Me...

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Speaking of the timeline, here's one I've been arguing with myself about since the game was released: is Shepard 29 or 31 in ME2?

I've never thought of that. Good question. Since he was dead for two years he would be closer to 29. Hehe. I like giving bureaucrats nightmares. Where do I place the checkmark for "mostly dead"... And no, I'm 29, not 31. Why? Because I was dead for two years.

Personally, I like that he's a few years younger than she is. Fits with how I RP him: he's more idealistic than she is, though not to the point of being naive. Also, he's keenly aware that he's succeeded less by being "the biggest badass in the galaxy" than by refusing to give up. Both of them are determined to the point of stubbornness. They like that about each other, most of the time.

I roleplay him differently, but I also like all that about them. I guess as time goes by they'll acquire a history of epic fights - without their love being lessened at all by them.

@Jebel Krong:
That's a good find. Her legs are overlong, but I like the style.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 avril 2010 - 02:36 .

[jtav]

fire: There's a tendency in some circles to present Shep as someone who really is perfect: he never misses, is always right, and could probably take on the Reapers all by himself. He can shrug off any physical or psychic trauma. In short, he has no flaws. This gets dull very quickly.