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Jebel Krong

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firecleaner wrote...

I thought War Hero led civilians against the batarians? Also their have been US soldiers that have held off enemy positions and received the medal of honor.

http://en.wikipedia....Wilburn_K._Ross


not just US troops, there are several cases of the SAS doing so in recent years.

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Prudii Aden wrote...

My interpretation of the War Hero background takes a lot from Horatio at the bridge, Leonidas at Thermopylae and other such last ditch scenarios. Basically, he's the last guy you want to be facing when his back is against the wall, because in those circumstances the rule book goes out the window. If there is a nasty trick or trap or whatever that will do the enemy damage, be it physical or psychological - he'll do it. If that means always sniping the first/lead person in a group and shooting the second in the gut so they'll die screaming, he'll do it. If maiming the enemy buys him more time and scares them even more, he'll do it.
As far as my War Hero Shepard goes, if what he actually did on Elysium got out, he would probably get the same sort of infamy that Ruthless Shepard has.


actually thermopylae sprang to mind the first time i read the war hero background... good shout.B)

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I play as a Spacer/Sole Survivor. Fairly idealistic chap, despite it all, though not above more "practical Renegade interrupts or taking bribes on places like Noveria. Undiagnosed PTSD. He REALLY hates Cerberus, but he's giving them one chance because they are the only ones willing to do anything about the Reapers. He's physically attracted to Miranda and admires her dedication, but doesn't do more than tolerate her until Tuchanka, when she saves him from the thresher maw, and the loyalty mission increases his affection for her. He spends most of the romance trying to convince her that her best traits (courage, loyalty) are things she can take credit for and that she has value beyond he role as a Cerberus agent, as well as wrestling with his own guilt over falling for a Cerberus agent.


Sounds about dead-on regarding Shep's original template and the overall course of their dynamic.

Not quite sure I'm with you on the Tuchanka thing,  though.  Grunt's mission  *totally* was the Krogan equivalent of an 18 years old's first "guys' night out", lol. Just felt right to bring along one of the guys who'd make a comment about a strip joint.

I did bring her on that Mordin mission, though. Speaking of which, did you manage to go through the Krogan's speech without interrupting him, lol?  I *might* have lasted 10 secs and it wasn't even about Shep not looking like a wuss.

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@ MA haha only took me three tries
@ Jebel sorry I'm American so my mind went straight to US soldiers do apologize

@ Jtav I play as Spacer/War Hero... I know cliche but I like the "normal" space-born vagabond backstory. Shepard is a normal solider that is thrust into a dangerous position and comes out on top. He might not have the emotional damage that Sole Survivor and Ruthless has but he has the pressure as being a living legend before he even becomes a Spectre. My War Hero hates Cerberus as much as the next Sole Survivor, he tries to be diplomatic most of the time, but he let that scientist die without hesitation.

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firecleaner wrote...
@ Jtav I play as Spacer/War Hero... I know cliche but I like the "normal" space-born vagabond backstory. Shepard is a normal solider that is thrust into a dangerous position and comes out on top. He might not have the emotional damage that Sole Survivor and Ruthless has but he has the pressure as being a living legend before he even becomes a Spectre. My War Hero hates Cerberus as much as the next Sole Survivor, he tries to be diplomatic most of the time, but he let that scientist die without hesitation.


It's all good as long as it ain't Colonist/Sole Survivor. :D

Bonus points for letting thoses scientists croak.

Anyway, almost done with that paper and I have to head for class.  You guys have a good one.

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firecleaner wrote...

I thought War Hero led civilians against the batarians? Also their have been US soldiers that have held off enemy positions and received the medal of honor.

http://en.wikipedia....Wilburn_K._Ross

Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten about that him.

I haven't really thought through my Shep that much. I just sort of wing it as needed. If the ME writers can retcon stuff so can I. :lol:

I wish I could get my sleep habits back. I've been sick for a few days and now I'm on, I guess, English sleeping hours even though I'm in Australia. Its making it hard to work on the transcribing project.

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TheLostGenius

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This thread isn't even about Miranda any more. :(

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TheLostGenius wrote...

This thread isn't even about Miranda any more. :(


So sad. WHY!

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The colonist/war hero background is the one I like most.

First everyone Shepard knows gets killed / abducted and enslaved by Batarians and many years later he/she finally gets revenge. The anger probably helped Shepard to fight the way he/she did.

It also explains why Shepard is a candidate for the Spectres in the first place the best.


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You could help out by starting a Miranda centric discussion instead of just going :-(

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Do they manage to keep it on-topic on the Tali thread? Their speed is unbelievable..

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Honestly...am I the only person that plays a Spacer/Ruthless? It also seems like I'm the only one to leave Balak for the Alliance and arrest the scientist after killing Tombs...

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Its peripherally related to Miranda at the moment. Its been two months since the start of a dedicated Miranda thread. We've burned through a lot of conversation material about her character.

There is still a lot of fans here but we're just not posting as regularly as we used to.

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Lord Ed1 wrote...

Do they manage to keep it on-topic on the Tali thread? Their speed is unbelievable..

Barely. And some of the stuff classed as on-topic is really... really wierd. They do have a much bigger source of material to discuss however.

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And it's interesting to discuss various people's Sheps and justify why he falls for Miranda and vice versa. Game mechanics aside, a relationship shouldn't work with every possible Shep. You have to create someone that she would actually like.



About the Tuchanka thing, it's a canon-compliant substitute for an AU scenario I never got off the ground. If she helps him through a flashback episode, it's going to do a lot to break the ice.

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MassAffected wrote...

Honestly...am I the only person that plays a Spacer/Ruthless? It also seems like I'm the only one to leave Balak for the Alliance and arrest the scientist after killing Tombs...


You might be... I haven't even thought about doing Spacer/Ruthless... sounds interesting but how does Hannah feel.

Its peripherally related to Miranda at the moment. Its been two months
since the start of a dedicated Miranda thread. We've burned through a
lot of conversation material about her character.

There is still a
lot of fans here but we're just not posting as regularly as we used to.


agreed.

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KingNu11 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

This thread isn't even about Miranda any more. :(


So sad. WHY!

He's posted this exact same sentence several times in this thread, without, if I recall correctly, having ever contributed anything to the discussions that did exist.

BTW, good night, everyone. I'll post about my preferences in Shepard's origins and background with regard to his relationship to Miranda tomorrow...

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firecleaner wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Honestly...am I the only person that plays a Spacer/Ruthless? It also seems like I'm the only one to leave Balak for the Alliance and arrest the scientist after killing Tombs...


You might be... I haven't even thought about doing Spacer/Ruthless... sounds interesting but how does Hannah feel.

Its peripherally related to Miranda at the moment. Its been two months
since the start of a dedicated Miranda thread. We've burned through a
lot of conversation material about her character.

There is still a
lot of fans here but we're just not posting as regularly as we used to.


agreed.


Feel about what? Torfan? Shep's father and mother are Alliance military. They above all people understand that sometimes a person would be asked to do something that they didn't agree with...ya know follow orders. They are loyal to the Alliance and because Shep grew up around it all his life he is loyal too. When he was tasked with going down into the complex below ground and taking out Pirates, terrorists, and slavers he did just that. It didn't please him to know that most of his unit died and he regrets it every day, but it had to be done. They had to be shown that you don't just attack Human colonies and get away with it. His loyalty and sense of duty also helps him understand Miranda a lot more...he can see why she would hold Cerberus to such a high standard, but also chooses to show her that she is slightly misguided. At least this is how I play Shep. *shrug* Also the Ruthless background is the only one that I can stomach...he isn't some super hero, just a soldier who faught beside brave men and women inside a nest of scum and had to make harsh decisions that he has to cope with.

Hope all that makes some sense lol.

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TheLostGenius wrote...

This thread isn't even about Miranda any more. :(


What are you talking about?  We were talking about how Shepard's background effected his relationship  with Miranda. Image IPB

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jtav wrote...

About the Tuchanka thing, it's a canon-compliant substitute for an AU scenario I never got off the ground. If she helps him through a flashback episode, it's going to do a lot to break the ice.

Thats an interesting way of getting sole survivor Shep to work. Hmm... I'll have to ponder on this scenario.

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One thing I will say is that, story aside, I don't think Miranda had anything to do with Akuze. I don't want her to have had anything to do with Akuze, even innocently. Revealing that she'd been unknowingly complicit in some atrocity would have set up her doubts a bit better but I'd prefer something that didn't affect Shep directly. It works better if he's her conscience, not her accuser. But it would be nearly pointless to do this in ME3. She's already lost faith/resigned.

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MassAffected wrote...


Feel about what? Torfan? Shep's father and mother are Alliance military. They above all people understand that sometimes a person would be asked to do something that they didn't agree with...ya know follow orders. They are loyal to the Alliance and because Shep grew up around it all his life he is loyal too. When he was tasked with going down into the complex below ground and taking out Pirates, terrorists, and slavers he did just that. It didn't please him to know that most of his unit died and he regrets it every day, but it had to be done. They had to be shown that you don't just attack Human colonies and get away with it. His loyalty and sense of duty also helps him understand Miranda a lot more...he can see why she would hold Cerberus to such a high standard, but also chooses to show her that she is slightly misguided. At least this is how I play Shep. *shrug* Also the Ruthless background is the only one that I can stomach...he isn't some super hero, just a soldier who faught beside brave men and women inside a nest of scum and had to make harsh decisions that he has to cope with.

Hope all that makes some sense lol.



It makes sense... I understand Ruthless background but man sending 75%+ of my squad to their death is something that doesn't sit in my stomach to well.  I understand you have to make decisions that will lead good men/women to their deaths but 3/4th of your squad I dont know...

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firecleaner wrote...

MassAffected wrote...


Feel about what? Torfan? Shep's father and mother are Alliance military. They above all people understand that sometimes a person would be asked to do something that they didn't agree with...ya know follow orders. They are loyal to the Alliance and because Shep grew up around it all his life he is loyal too. When he was tasked with going down into the complex below ground and taking out Pirates, terrorists, and slavers he did just that. It didn't please him to know that most of his unit died and he regrets it every day, but it had to be done. They had to be shown that you don't just attack Human colonies and get away with it. His loyalty and sense of duty also helps him understand Miranda a lot more...he can see why she would hold Cerberus to such a high standard, but also chooses to show her that she is slightly misguided. At least this is how I play Shep. *shrug* Also the Ruthless background is the only one that I can stomach...he isn't some super hero, just a soldier who faught beside brave men and women inside a nest of scum and had to make harsh decisions that he has to cope with.

Hope all that makes some sense lol.



It makes sense... I understand Ruthless background but man sending 75%+ of my squad to their death is something that doesn't sit in my stomach to well.  I understand you have to make decisions that will lead good men/women to their deaths but 3/4th of your squad I dont know...


That isn't exactly how I read the Ruthless portion of his background...he doesn't just SEND the men to their deaths...he is down there fighting ALONGSIDE them. The reason its so bloody and bad is because he refuses to pull back and instead presses on to destroy every last pirate/slaver/terrorist as I'm sure he was ordered to do...because the Alliance navy wasn't able to touch the underground base with their advanced weaponry.

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gutty47 wrote...

jtav wrote...

About the Tuchanka thing, it's a canon-compliant substitute for an AU scenario I never got off the ground. If she helps him through a flashback episode, it's going to do a lot to break the ice.

Thats an interesting way of getting sole survivor Shep to work. Hmm... I'll have to ponder on this scenario.


Thanks. It's about the only way I can justify it in my own head. My previous attempts came out as a quasi-abusive, dysfunctional relationship. This isn't perfect (for one, I still have to mentally add quite a few conversations that never took place in game) but it beats the Mills & Boon/Harlequin scenarios I had before.

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MassAffected wrote...

That isn't exactly how I read the Ruthless portion of his background...he doesn't just SEND the men to their deaths...he is down there fighting ALONGSIDE them. The reason its so bloody and bad is because he refuses to pull back and instead presses on to destroy every last pirate/slaver/terrorist as I'm sure he was ordered to do...because the Alliance navy wasn't able to touch the underground base with their advanced weaponry.


Okay I gotcha, I read it as Shepard just sending his subordinates to his death from a mile back....