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[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
I think they'd be pretty insane not to make Miranda a full fledged squad mate.

QFT.

Combining that with a good storyline for her isn't hard. The "Miranda reforming Cerberus" end, which I would very much like, btw, would be possible regardless of her decision at the end of ME2, since she voices her doubts about keeping the base even if you do keep it. So, the stage is set for her to develop away from her "loyalist" template in any case. And there are enough hooks for personal subplots that it's easy to come up with a mission or two for her in ME3. If anyone's set up to be more than a filler character in ME3, more than Shepard's satellite, it's Miranda.
 

 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 avril 2010 - 07:15 .

[Collider]

The fact that Miranda has the best chance of surviving the suicide mission seems to imply that she may have a larger role than the other ME2 survivors in ME3. Her ties to Cerberus seem to make this more likely. Although I would love personal missions in ME3, I'm not really sure they'll do that (for the ME2 survivors) in light that everyone you recruit in ME2 can die. Kind of sad, because I liked the character missions, but I don't see them doing it again. I do see them adding flavor and possibly more choices if you had Miranda with you and did a Cerberus related mission, for example.

[keegdarv1]

Collider wrote...

The fact that Miranda has the best chance of surviving the suicide mission seems to imply that she may have a larger role than the other ME2 survivors in ME3. Her ties to Cerberus seem to make this more likely. Although I would love personal missions in ME3, I'm not really sure they'll do that (for the ME2 survivors) in light that everyone you recruit in ME2 can die. Kind of sad, because I liked the character missions, but I don't see them doing it again. I do see them adding flavor and possibly more choices if you had Miranda with you and did a Cerberus related mission, for example.

I get people may want personal mission in ME3 and while i like them like many did, I see no point to it in ME3 and dont see how it make much sense to do them. ME2 was about the team so it made sense and help ad to learning about the characters, but odds are ME3 focus is going to be along the lines of many races standing against the reapers. the charcters in ME3 will be more like ME1 i figure can talk to them on the ship with a few things to say through the course of the game(have nothing wrong with that) Miranda best shot of returning is that shes a LI and i figure they all would be at the top of the list of coming back i dont really think since she has the most odds of suriving the suicide mission is true or really matters she can die like any other characters just in only two places unlike four or five for another character

[Collider]

Miranda can't be killed before you find the crew (or Chakwas) in the Collector Base. She also can handle the Leadership roles (at least the first team) without being loyal.

[keegdarv1]

yes i know two places she can die, holding the line or after killing the reaper that be two different spots even if basically their happening at the same time, but while she only has that two spots and every other charater as more were they can die i dont think it matter to her be back, it only matters to ME2 as she to alive to talk in spots during the mission. in a way its Bioware way of reminding the player yup shes your second in command and that may bug some people. but again dont think it had anything to do with them thinking "lets make her harder to kill so she has to be around in ME3" yes i like her in ME3 like most charaters but dont think her being "unkillable" matters into her coming back

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

The fact that Miranda has the best chance of surviving the suicide mission seems to imply that she may have a larger role than the other ME2 survivors in ME3. Her ties to Cerberus seem to make this more likely. Although I would love personal missions in ME3, I'm not really sure they'll do that (for the ME2 survivors) in light that everyone you recruit in ME2 can die. Kind of sad, because I liked the character missions, but I don't see them doing it again. I do see them adding flavor and possibly more choices if you had Miranda with you and did a Cerberus related mission, for example.

Could be smaller missions though, like in KotOR or Dragon Age. Which is better than nothing, though I agree that I'll miss the loyalty missions. Just about all of those were really well-done.

[keegdarv1]

Ieldra2 wrote...



Combining that with a good storyline for her isn't hard. The "Miranda reforming Cerberus" end, which I would very much like, btw, would be possible regardless of her decision at the end of ME2, since she voices her doubts about keeping the base even if you do keep it. So, the stage is set for her to develop away from her "loyalist" template in any case. And there are enough hooks for personal subplots that it's easy to come up with a mission or two for her in ME3. If anyone's set up to be more than a filler character in ME3, more than Shepard's satellite, it's Miranda.
 

 

what makes people think that her loyalist thing truely had everything to do with Cerbrus? She seem pretty loyal to Jacob in helping him going agaisnt Cerbrus rules to give him the info. She was pretty loyal to Niket up to the point she saw it was true her turned on her and Shepard can easily stop her from letting her emotions win. So maybe she is still a "loyalist" because maybe that template never had anything to truely do with Cerberus. Maybe her template is just to be loyal to things or people or beliefs she cares about

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
The fact that Miranda has the best chance of surviving the suicide mission seems to imply that she may have a larger role than the other ME2 survivors in ME3. Her ties to Cerberus seem to make this more likely. Although I would love personal missions in ME3, I'm not really sure they'll do that (for the ME2 survivors) in light that everyone you recruit in ME2 can die. Kind of sad, because I liked the character missions, but I don't see them doing it again. I do see them adding flavor and possibly more choices if you had Miranda with you and did a Cerberus related mission, for example.

You have a point. But since I think Cerberus and how we deal with it will be a major topic in ME3, you could say that this subplot is kind of personal for her. Having her deal with her father would be a bonus. The latter is probably wishful thinking, but I did say I prefer to promote the best instead of settling for the average....

As for Miranda's possible death in ME2, I don't follow the "worst possible outcome" thread, but from what I've gathered Miranda only dies if you bring her non-loyal to the battle at the human Reaper. I take that as an indication she's set to return as part of the default ME3 team.
 

[Ieldra]

keegdarv1 wrote...
What makes people think that her loyalist thing truely had everything to do with Cerbrus? She seem pretty loyal to Jacob in helping him going agaisnt Cerbrus rules to give him the info. She was pretty loyal to Niket up to the point she saw it was true her turned on her and Shepard can easily stop her from letting her emotions win. So maybe she is still a "loyalist" because maybe that template never had anything to truely do with Cerberus. Maybe her template is just to be loyal to things or people or beliefs she cares about

That wouldn't be much of a defining character template, would it?

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You have a point. But since I think Cerberus and how we deal with it will be a major topic in ME3, you could say that this subplot is kind of personal for her. Having her deal with her father would be a bonus. The latter is probably wishful thinking, but I did say I prefer to promote the best instead of settling for the average....

So would I. I think there's unfinished business there that should be revisited.

As for Miranda's possible death in ME2, I don't follow the "worst possible outcome" thread, but from what I've gathered Miranda only dies if you bring her non-loyal to the battle at the human Reaper. I take that as an indication she's set to return as part of the default ME3 team.
 

I'm pretty sure she can die if you put her in the first slot and you have a bad biotic specialist, or while holding the line. If you can send her as an escort for the crew, she can die there too if unloyal. I do think that she has the best chance for survival, so it's more likely as you said.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
You have a point. But since I think Cerberus and how we deal with it will be a major topic in ME3, you could say that this subplot is kind of personal for her. Having her deal with her father would be a bonus. The latter is probably wishful thinking, but I did say I prefer to promote the best instead of settling for the average....

So would I. I think there's unfinished business there that should be revisited.

As for Miranda's possible death in ME2, I don't follow the "worst possible outcome" thread, but from what I've gathered Miranda only dies if you bring her non-loyal to the battle at the human Reaper. I take that as an indication she's set to return as part of the default ME3 team.
 

I'm pretty sure she can die if you put her in the first slot and you have a bad biotic specialist, or while holding the line. If you can send her as an escort for the crew, she can die there too if unloyal. I do think that she has the best chance for survival, so it's more likely as you said.

I just read up on that thread. Miranda can die in these cases - but in Ecael's worst possible outcome scenario (1) the bad biotic specialists except Miranda herself are already dead, so she has that role, and having Miranda die holding the line requires that she's the only non-loyal in that group, as I understand it. 

But enough of the morbid Miranda death talk. Miranda is awesome, and she needs a big role in ME3. Period.

[keegdarv1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

keegdarv1 wrote...
What makes people think that her loyalist thing truely had everything to do with Cerbrus? She seem pretty loyal to Jacob in helping him going agaisnt Cerbrus rules to give him the info. She was pretty loyal to Niket up to the point she saw it was true her turned on her and Shepard can easily stop her from letting her emotions win. So maybe she is still a "loyalist" because maybe that template never had anything to truely do with Cerberus. Maybe her template is just to be loyal to things or people or beliefs she cares about

That wouldn't be much of a defining character template, would it?

it isnt much of a template of you look at as loyalist to cerberus but bioware didnt advertise her as "loyalst to cerberus" just a loyalist but whatever just trying to give another side to something then looking at it in one way *shrugs*  but whatever odds are i missed point to your post a quoted as im tired and the whole just being blindly loyal to cerberus thing bugs me as i dont see it as true.  

which now as starting to pay attention and go back and read alittle i think im on a differnt discuss then you i may need sleep

[Ieldra]

keegdarv1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

keegdarv1 wrote...
What makes people think that her loyalist thing truely had everything to do with Cerbrus? She seem pretty loyal to Jacob in helping him going agaisnt Cerbrus rules to give him the info. She was pretty loyal to Niket up to the point she saw it was true her turned on her and Shepard can easily stop her from letting her emotions win. So maybe she is still a "loyalist" because maybe that template never had anything to truely do with Cerberus. Maybe her template is just to be loyal to things or people or beliefs she cares about

That wouldn't be much of a defining character template, would it?

it isnt much of a template of you look at as loyalist to cerberus but bioware didnt advertise her as "loyalst to cerberus" just a loyalist but whatever just trying to give another side to something then looking at it in one way *shrugs*  but whatever odds are i missed point to your post a quoted as im tired and the whole just being blindly loyal to cerberus thing bugs me as i dont see it as true.  

She has her blind spots when it comes to Cerberus - see her "it wasn't Cerberus" reaction to Jack's loyalty mission. But yes, she can learn, that's one thing I like about her. I think  the "loyalist" term was originally intended to mean "Cerberus loyalist", which she isn't at the end of ME2 any more, but if she continues to believe in Cerberus' cause, if not its methods - which I consider likely - then the term is still somewhat applicable after she resigns, or starts to doubt TIM.

[Cypher0020]

Ok is Miri still loyal to Cerberus if you play Femshep at the end? I gain her trust, let her speak to her sister etc.... but does she cut off Timmy?



I don't remember getting that

[Ieldra]

Cypher0020 wrote...
Ok is Miri still loyal to Cerberus if you play Femshep at the end? I gain her trust, let her speak to her sister etc.... but does she cut off Timmy?
I don't remember getting that

IIRC, she does.
I'll soon be able to tell if I remember correctly - my latest femShep has just entered the derelict Reaper.

[Cypher0020]

Oooh I hate that reaper.... I hate those husks -shudder-



Could it be something in the dialogue or you have to have Miri in your squad? Wait.... its the base decision right?

[Melra]

Doesn't she cut off Timmy no matter what, but if she isn't loyal she just dies against the reaper?

[Arijharn]

Maybe it's just me, but I could see BioWare, if they were interested in making character missions for ME3, make them as good/better than before even if it might be that the character is dead on your Shephard.



By making them awesome, it doesn't somehow invalidate their work since the game is structured to the point where you have to willfully decide not to upgrade your vessel/choose poorly to loose anyone. If anything perhaps it gives you motivation to play through ME2 again and do better in my opinion.

[HighMoon]

It will be interesting to see what Miranda is like in ME3 is she decides to give Illusive Man/Cerberus the big "F you" and stay loyal to Shepard. Do you think it will have a big impact on her personality?

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 18 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[Andysilv]

Golden-Rose wrote...

It will be interesting to see what Miranda is like in ME3 is she decides to give Illusive Man/Cerberus the big "F you" and stay loyal to Shepard. Do you think it will have a big impact on her personality?

I don't think there will be a massive change to be honest. She was always very loyal towards Shepard anyway once they were on the Normandy. I wouldn't want it to change her character too much either. I'd hate to see her go down the cliche badass girl-turns softie road that we've soon so many times before.

[Ieldra]

Golden-Rose wrote...

It will be interesting to see what Miranda is like in ME3 is she decides to give Illusive Man/Cerberus the big "F you" and stay loyal to Shepard. Do you think it will have a big impact on her personality?

I don't think so. Switching her loyality is a well-considered decision, she grows into it during the events of ME2. What, or rather who, she trusts more - Shepard or TIM - may change, but who she is will not.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 avril 2010 - 12:03 .

[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...

and I perseonally wouldnt get my hopes up that Miranda has a major role in ME3, lest face it, she can die, so there will be a lot of players who dont have her in their save file for ME3...

Whats Bioware going to do then? Rewrite the entire story for those people? Never going to happen folks....

*Gasps*

[Lord Ed1]

If there's any of the ME2 squad (besides Garrus) I find most likely to return, it's Miranda. I hope they don't have to hire a different VA, if that's the case they should write her out.. but I'll bet Yvonne would want to reprise her role, Miranda was well recieved in the Mass Effect community and they have a tv-star portraying her.. she had a great role in ME2 and I don't think the devs would want to discard her (with an e-mail).
If Miranda dies in ME2, she couldn't return in your squad.. but perhaps a different character.. and we probably will run into her sister. Or.. Cerberus does Lazarus 2.0 on Miranda:P

Modifié par Lord Ed1, 18 avril 2010 - 11:58 .