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[Breakdown Boy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
It's not easy to do random stuff as you might not have enough paragon/ renegade points to qwell the tensions between your sqaud mates.

In my latest playthough I have managed to have both choices enabled for all but two situations, and the choice I wished to make for one of those - the Tali/Legion conflict. Here are a few rules to follow if you want that. I assume that you have imported a character with the highest possible P/R bonus from ME1. This won't work for ME2 only characters or with NG+, only with regular ME1 imports with at least 60% of the lower of the P/R scales filled at the end of ME1:

(1) Do missions with Paragon/Renegade choices early, missions without them late.
(1a) Do missions with high P/R requirements before those with low ones, if at all possible. Because the high requirements are easy to reach early in the game, but impossible to reach late in the game, while the ones with low requirements only get moderately difficult as the game progresses.
(2) Don't do any sidequests, if at all possible, before you have finished all character quests but Legion's. Rule 1 takes precedence, though, so if you want to help the asari on the Citadel to leave by persuading the customs officer, do that early. (That means, do all sidequests, if possible, between the last loyalty mission and Reaper IFF)
(3) Develop your class talent fully and early, and choose the specialization that gives a higher Paragon/Renegade bonus (usually one is 70%, the other 100%).
(4) Try to maintain an almost balanced account of Paragon/Renegade points, as much as you can without violating your character concept, until you have reached 75% in both.
(5) Use all interrupts, as long as they don't violate your character concept overmuch (In some cases, regular conversation options give the same P/R bonus if you don't use the interrupt - so you can have the best of both worlds there).

Wow! Thanks, makes sense!

I had trouble with the Infiltrator class but I am going to give it shot again with Locust at my side!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Good guide that Ieldra, as another note, on a Miri-related note, I tend to do Miri and Jack's loyalty missions asap. (think need to have another mission in between to get Jack's to unlock). That way it is easier to get the charm/intimidate option.



Course, if you really don't care about the crew. You can get to Legion a lot quicker by just doing 5 short quests post-Horizon if you've recruited both Kasumi and Zaeed (and released Grunt) then go do collector ship mission and IFF mission.

[jtav]

Morning all.

Ieldra: people call it "cheating" b/c that's how the devs refer to having an LI in both games. I don't think it qualifies as cheating under any rational definition, but it's why I go out of my not to have a ME LI.

I really like your ideas about having Miranda out gathering intel for part of ME3. Perhaps I should have just said what I actually wanted--"Miranda spends time off the Normandy, does neat things without Shep before making a suitably dramatic return"--rather than giving everyone a heart attack.

Re: sex. I think Ieldra's got it about right. She knows how to flirt to get what she wants. If the situation warrants it for whatever reason, she'll go further. I think she's also had a fair number of fun, not-very serious relationships. But she's intelligent and self-aware enough to know that isn't going to work this time. She's not going to get involved with him without a reasonable assurance of her heart not getting broken.

[Jebel Krong]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

It's not easy to do random stuff as you might not have enough paragon/ renegade points to qwell the tensions between your sqaud mates (Jack/ Miranda & Legion/ Tali). But then again, none of them will die if you have all the upgrades and choose Legion/ Tali (tech specialist), Garrus (leader) and Samara (biotic specialist) in the suicide mission, also send Mordin back with survivors.

I don't like Shepard as a mostly or complete renegade, he becomes kind of an ass and a jerk!

i just save the most difficult decisions (morinth, tali/legion till last) and i have no problem, and i generally come out nearly 100% renegade, 50% paragon overall (70% bonus on class skill) - i have never since my 1st playthrough had a greyed out influence choice. latest playthrough i've also done only 1 UNC and i still haven't had any issues - as long as you do the missions in the right order, you won't have a problem.

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just finished my fourth playthrough,
and have now finished two maleShep and my two main femSheps, an Engineer
and an Infiltrator - and yes, the Locust is a very nice addition to an
Infiltrator's arsenal. My fifth playthrough, with my main
"keep-the-base" maleShep, is still waiting to be finished, I can't
motivate myself to play the Collector base yet again. As nice as the
final battle is orchestrated, it gets old faster than the other parts of
the game.

really? i love that part of the game - what i have found, after 4 complete playthroughs is that, unlike me1, the game is big and deep enough that you can still go back and re-enjoy playing through again after finishing a playthrough, more-or-less straight away, without getting tedious (and i have nearly perfect memory when it comes to visual stuff like games, when i can't remember what happened even last week - go figure).

still only played a maleshep and soldier/infiltrator builds, i really have no interest in playing my female profile again, because of hale's awful voice-acting, and the other classes don't appeal as i find the game most enjoyable on hardcore mode (most class powers don't work on armoured enemies so an adept wouldn't be much use most of the time - that class would appeal otherwise).

[Jebel Krong]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Good guide that Ieldra, as another note, on a Miri-related note, I tend to do Miri and Jack's loyalty missions asap. (think need to have another mission in between to get Jack's to unlock). That way it is easier to get the charm/intimidate option.

Course, if you really don't care about the crew. You can get to Legion a lot quicker by just doing 5 short quests post-Horizon if you've recruited both Kasumi and Zaeed (and released Grunt) then go do collector ship mission and IFF mission.

i do:
omega: mordin, then garrus.
korlus: get grunt.
convict (jack) - only because her side mission is good and this one is mandatory, i don't like the actual mission or character at all).
Horizon.
then iIllium opens up: do Miranda's loyalty mission first, then recruit Thane and Samara. you can then get on with romancing mirnada nice and early.
Then Jacob's side-mission, wait for Tuchunka and the citadel to open up and then do all those side-missions.
Halestrom: recruit Tali.
Jack's side-mission (possibly change skills to maximise charm/intimidate).
Tali's side-mission.
Omega to do Samara's side-mission (after changing skills and you really need to do this last to have enough charm/renegade), then finally go and get legion and do his loyalty mission (again changing skills) before endgame.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 20 avril 2010 - 01:53 .

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
Omega to do Samara's side-mission (after changing skills and you really need to do this last to have enough charm/renegade).

Actually, no. Doing this early with maximized class talent gives you a better chance to get all options in Morinth's appartment. This is because the game calculates the required P/G level from a base difficulty modified by the part of the game you've seen, and you rise faster in P/G in the early game because then is when you develop your class talent.
BTW, using the Death Mask also helps, but I can't bring myself to do that because it's implausible to get a higher bonus when people see this ugly thing instead of your face.
   

[jtav]

Speaking of "cheating" am I the only one who hopes "Can't I have both of you?" ends with Shep being beaten to a bloody pulp and Miranda and Ash/Liara going off for a drink? I really hate catfights.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
Omega to do Samara's side-mission (after changing skills and you really need to do this last to have enough charm/renegade).

Actually, no. Doing this early with maximized class talent gives you a better chance to get all options in Morinth's appartment. This is because the game calculates the required P/G level from a base difficulty modified by the part of the game you've seen, and you rise faster in P/G in the early game because then is when you develop your class talent.
BTW, using the Death Mask also helps, but I can't bring myself to do that because it's implausible to get a higher bonus when people see this ugly thing instead of your face.
   

Hmm interesting, i thought it scaled the charm/intimidate options depending you your level/progress, but as i tended to get samar's loyalty mission open up comparitively late anyway, i always leave it until i know i have enough persuasion so i can take the 3 persuasion options without being subjected to her influence (whether i choose to kill morinth and save samara or vice-versa doesn't matter - i just like to know i have the choice). Doing it my way this is actually the hardest persuasion to be able to get in the game - moreso than tali/legion's.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 20 avril 2010 - 02:23 .

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
i just save the most difficult decisions (morinth, tali/legion till last) and i have no problem, and i generally come out nearly 100% renegade, 50% paragon overall (70% bonus on class skill) - i have never since my 1st playthrough had a greyed out influence choice.

You had both choices enabled in the Tali Legion conflict with 100R/50P? I don't believe that - I had that conflict at 95P/80R and only the Paragon choice was enabled. If you're that Renegade you won't have a problem with the first "I'm a Spectre" option with Kelham but if you play a balanced or slightly Paragon-ish game and still want this choice (which I always want) then you'll have to do it early.

I wish there was some real information about how the game handles this....

OK, back to Miranda....who is awesome



Edit:
Just read your answer. For me, Tali/Legion is invariably the hardest scene. I've never gotten both options here (see above). Samara/Morinth will be possible with moderately high Paragon *or* extremely high Renegade, and IIRC there's one part of the dialogue where you only have a P option. So your preference may play a part here.

Ah, and if the game scaled P/G requirements to your level, then every game after the first would be harder because you get the XP bonus from finishing the game once. But that's not what happens.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 avril 2010 - 02:31 .

[jtav]

Miranda IS awesome. In fact, ME is fast becoming "the Miranda Lawson show" for me. Who's this Shepard fellow? I kid, but only partly. Miranda's my favorite character and I identify w/ Tali. Shep of either gender's just sort of...there for me.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

jtav wrote...

Speaking of "cheating" am I the only one who
hopes "Can't I have both of you?" ends with Shep being beaten to a
bloody pulp and Miranda and Ash/Liara going off for a drink? I really
hate catfights.

Meh, whilst I have a common belief it is
just going to equate to another 'confrontation' scene ala ME, there is
part of me wishing for some proper conflict to occur which will either
cost Shep a squadmate or his/her life [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]


Can't remember if said it here or another post, but I really want to know how they are going to have it that the ME LIs find out that Shep been cheating.

If it falls down to a similar scenario as before whereby Shep trying to be with both with them recruited as squadmates on the Ship, then my above concern comes into play. If it is prior to getting one or both of them, the question of how the ME LI finds out really does stick out. Especially if the ME2 LI is dead

I wonder if Bioware is taking that into account... and before anyone asks NO I wouldn't do the latter with Miri, nope that special situation is being left for Jacob, tis his own fault he ends up dead, shouldn't have boasted he could survive the vents hehehe

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Speaking of "cheating" am I the only one who hopes "Can't I have both of you?" ends with Shep being beaten to a bloody pulp and Miranda and Ash/Liara going off for a drink? I really hate catfights.

I never use that option, so: yes, I would like it. "A bloody pulp" would, perhaps, be a bit much, but if he's too stupid to see those two won't stand for a triangle then he deserves a serious knock on his head.

Hmm, strange how I never use that option regardless of who it is about, now that I think of it.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
i just save the most difficult decisions (morinth, tali/legion till last) and i have no problem, and i generally come out nearly 100% renegade, 50% paragon overall (70% bonus on class skill) - i have never since my 1st playthrough had a greyed out influence choice.

You had both choices enabled in the Tali Legion conflict with 100R/50P? I don't believe that - I had that conflict at 95P/80R and only the Paragon choice was enabled. If you're that Renegade you won't have a problem with the first "I'm a Spectre" option with Kelham but if you play a balanced or slightly Paragon-ish game and still want this choice (which I always want) then you'll have to do it early.

I wish there was some real information about how the game handles this....

OK, back to Miranda....who is awesome



Edit:
Just read your answer. For me, Tali/Legion is invariably the hardest scene. I've never gotten both options here (see above). Samara/Morinth will be possible with moderately high Paragon *or* extremely high Renegade, and IIRC there's one part of the dialogue where you only have a P option. So your preference may play a part here.

Ah, and if the game scaled P/G requirements to your level, then every game after the first would be harder because you get the XP bonus from finishing the game once. But that's not what happens.

that scene is even better when she's holding the locust btw.... although shep always has a heavy pistol in that and a few other scenes... weird.

anyway i digress: yes i may have been just above 60-65% paragon (changing from 70% bonus to 100% in the skills menu), but not really that high (it's hard to tell the exact levels with the bars) and i've had both choices available in pretty much every decision - but even playing through the same way, same choices etc i've noticed slight variations from my 1st playthrough (importing a different character but still level 60) to my "master" run-throughs so i don't think it's always consistent.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Miranda IS awesome. In fact, ME is fast becoming "the Miranda Lawson show" for me. Who's this Shepard fellow? I kid, but only partly. Miranda's my favorite character and I identify w/ Tali. Shep of either gender's just sort of...there for me.

nah - shep is the man, and a great Player Character - miranda is the perfect Li because she's an equal, something that can't be said for any of the others. BW did a great job making garrus and tali at least interesting this time around though - especially garrus he's become quite cool.

[jtav]

Eh, different strokes for different folks. I have to bend over backwards to make Shep interesting (strangely I don't have this problem in DA), and most of the team is really cool to me.

[Andysilv]

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda IS awesome. In fact, ME is fast becoming "the Miranda Lawson show" for me. Who's this Shepard fellow? I kid, but only partly. Miranda's my favorite character and I identify w/ Tali. Shep of either gender's just sort of...there for me.

nah - shep is the man, and a great Player Character - miranda is the perfect Li because she's an equal, something that can't be said for any of the others. BW did a great job making garrus and tali at least interesting this time around though - especially garrus he's become quite cool.

Garrus was always cool. Just had to say that.

[jtav]

*is doomed to be the only person who dislikes Garrus*

[Collider]

You dislike Garrus?!!

[Jebel Krong]

andysilv87 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Miranda IS awesome. In fact, ME is fast becoming "the Miranda Lawson show" for me. Who's this Shepard fellow? I kid, but only partly. Miranda's my favorite character and I identify w/ Tali. Shep of either gender's just sort of...there for me.

nah - shep is the man, and a great Player Character - miranda is the perfect Li because she's an equal, something that can't be said for any of the others. BW did a great job making garrus and tali at least interesting this time around though - especially garrus he's become quite cool.

Garrus was always cool. Just had to say that.

garrus was almost as bland as jacob/kaiden in me1. in #2 he's much more dynamic and interesting - a great counterpart to shepard.

[jtav]

And I'm a girl who's favorite character is Miranda, despite the blatant fanservice and who wishes they'd tone Shep down.. I'm contrary like that.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

And I'm a girl who's favorite character is Miranda, despite the blatant fanservice and who wishes they'd tone Shep down.. I'm contrary like that.

'fanservice'? intelligent, attractive, loyal, complex and totally capable squad-member, who only grows even better throughout the game with one of the best loyalty missions in there?! that type of fanservice?

or do you just mean the breasts/arse, because they are 'idealised' (for some people).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 20 avril 2010 - 03:30 .

[jtav]

That's exactly what I mean, coupled with the camera angles. It's distracting, and not the good kind of distracting.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Miranda IS awesome. In fact, ME is fast becoming "the Miranda Lawson show" for me. Who's this Shepard fellow? I kid, but only partly. Miranda's my favorite character and I identify w/ Tali. Shep of either gender's just sort of...there for me.

I have to say I also find it occasionally difficult to identify with Shepard. Particularly with maleShep. First, because I most often project myself into fictional worlds as a woman, for whichever strange reason (I'm a straight man in RL), and I prefer the subtle types, and Shepard's too much a force of nature. I can more easily identify with Miranda - her wariness of emotional entanglement, her scientific mindset, the element of consequentialism in her morality. I even know how it feels to be blinded by a cause or a charismatic personality. If she had her own game, that would be fantastic.

Having said that, I do identify with some of my Shepards while I play. Only out of it, that fades, and what's left is awareness of Miranda.

Edit:
Yes, tone down Shepard a bit. He got over-the-top in ME2. As for the fanservice: I do admire a perfect body and don't mind being shown one, but some camera angles are so blatantly reducing the person to her sexuality that it demeans the character.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 avril 2010 - 04:07 .

[InbredBart]

As much as I have to agree that Miranda is an awesome and sophisticated character you have to admit that the whole 'romance part' is fairly short.. you earn her loyalty and then it's basically the two next meetings that reveal some emotion sharing and opening up but the next big thing is the grand finale while en route to the Omega 4 relay.. only thing you get in the mean time is the stuff that she remembers what happened and will hook up with you when there's an opportunity (ie Omega 4) I'm going through my 3-rd play-through now and still have something close to 1/3rd of the game ahead of me but my LI is already locked and there are no interesting exchanges between Shep and Miri..unfortunately..

@ Iedra2: with all my love for the character I have to totally agree about the camera angles.. indeed some of them couldn't be more blatant..it's like the whole view was blotted out by her perfectly round butt 

Modifié par InbredBart, 20 avril 2010 - 04:46 .

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
You dislike Garrus?!!

I can understand that. Yes, he's cool, but I'm beginning to become allergic to cool.

Anyway, Miranda..... **takes his ancestral seat on cloud 9**