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[MassAffected]

InbredBart wrote...

when in reality I would side with Jack every single time.

frankly, I dunno about that..I kinda get the whole 'difficult childchood' vibe but she seems too much of a loose cannon to me maybe that's why I either remained faithful to my ME LI or romanced Miri

Yeah, I "defected" to the Liara camp sooo I'll be staying faithful and siding with Jack...maybe lol...because I do so like the Renegade choice for that confrontation.

[jtav]

Me too, if I had to choose. Actually what I'd like is something like this:

Shep: Jack, if you ever lay a finger on a member of this crew again, I'll personally throw you out the airlock.
(Jack leaves. Miranda smirks)
Shep: You're just as bad. 'Clearly a mistake?' I've learned not to expect empathy from Jack. What's your excuse? And you're apologizing for a bunch of terrorists by the way.

Jack's physically violent. Miranda is verbally violent. Jack knows how to hit people. Miranda knows how to break them.

[icarus414]

jtav wrote...


Have I mentioned how much I love that she never needs rescuing.

I'm going to have to go against the grain here, to an extent. Possibly my favourite sequence in ME2 was when Shep caught Miri as she slid off the platform, followed by her returning the favour moments later. Even strong and independent people are allowed to rely on others occasionally. It's one of the best things about having evolved as social creatures, if you ask me.

jtav wrote...

I love it. I also love that even a romanced
Shep isn't the most important person in her life. It will always be
Oriana. Paradoxically, that makes her a better LI because she isn't
swallowed up by Shep.

Hm. Again, I'll have to disagree. I've got to ask, do you have siblings? I've got three, myself. And while we don't always like each other, there's a great deal of love between us. Nonetheless, I find the idea of them always being the most important people in my life deeply depressing.

Once again, that could just be me - I'm something of a romantic, as I believe I've already confessed. None of that "love at first sight" bollocks (until you get to know each other, it's just hormones), and none of that "the one" nonsense either (I crunched the numbers, once, and worked out that even if you could recognize each other instantly from a fleeting glimpse (which is, as I stated above, total crap) you'd still only stand something like a 1:700 000 chance of actually meeting this person), but for all that, I do in fact believe in "true love". And if you're lucky enough to find it, even blood relatives are going to have to take a back seat.

[InbredBart]

jtav wrote...

Jack's physically violent. Miranda is verbally violent. Jack knows how to hit people. Miranda knows how to break them.

that's an interesting point.. haven't perceived it exactly that way but it seems reasonable after all

Modifié par InbredBart, 21 avril 2010 - 09:44 .

[MrNose]

Well, she states quite openly, that she ran to TIM for protection against her father. I can't blame her for that, but it raises the question whether she ever was concerned with "Humanity - first" agenda before joining. And, from youtube we (and some of us first hand) know that she is capable of outright betrayal of Cerberus. In any case, she second-guesses the decision to retain the Collector base for Cerberus. Which makes her far worse a "loyalist", than *my* Shepard, for example.

To me, at that point in the game Loyalist to humanity directly conflicted with Loyalist to Cerberus.  We already saw Saren try and use a Reaper ship for the greater good, it will go the same way for the Illusive Man.

[InbredBart]

To me, at that point in the game Loyalist to humanity directly conflicted with Loyalist to Cerberus.  We already saw Saren try and use a Reaper ship for the greater good, it will go the same way for the Illusive Man.

guess that issue has also been raised a number of times.. I'd say she's a loyalist in general.. she's loyal to Cerberus (not the whole way through though)..most definitely she could be perceived as loyal to humanity, but also, or even more importantly, she's loyal to the people she cares about (her sister being the obvious here..plus Shep, if he/she earns her trust first)

Modifié par InbredBart, 21 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[InbredBart]

anywho.. I wish you all Miranda fans goodnight .. thanks for the interesting posts

Modifié par InbredBart, 21 avril 2010 - 10:03 .

[Barhador]

Aren't characters supposed to change over the course of the game? It would be boring if Miranda was a die-hard Cerberus loyalist from the beginning to the end. If you are stubborn and unwilling to listen to reason you're just being fanatical. If you however allow yourself to be influenced by reason you're rational. And I'd like to consider Miranda as being rational.

[MrNose]

Barhador wrote...

Aren't characters supposed to change over the course of the game?

Not in 99% of the world's videogames!  Maybe some people find it too jarring?

[icarus414]

*Sigh.*

Y'know, this is why I tend to lurk...

Well, if I can't generate any sort of response, maybe Yvonne can:


You're welcome.

Modifié par icarus414, 22 avril 2010 - 12:13 .

[jtav]

@icarus414: I apologize if it seemed I was ignoring you. Regarding your first point, I liked that scene myself, particularly when it works out so that it's mutual. But I liked that it was mutual and not a one-sided Shep being that "big damn hero" as with Tali and Liara.



But I do think that Oriana will always be more important to her than anyone or anything else, unless and until she has children of her own. Oriana was half the reason she joined up with Cerberus. She will go through hell for her. I'm not saying she doesn't (or to be more accurate, won't come to) love Shepard. I'm saying that, if there ever comes a day that she has to choose to save only one of them, she would choose Oriana. But, then, I don't think that what she has with Shepard is love. It can and will grow into love, I think, but they've only just gotten together. Give them time. When I see what the established relationship is like, I'll reevaluate my claim.

[MrNose]

icarus414 wrote...

*Sigh.*

Y'know, this is why I tend to lurk...

Well, if I can't generate any sort of response, maybe Yvonne can:

You're welcome.

I see your hot picture of Yvonne and raise you two spazzy gifs.





Clearly, I've moved on to less intelligent topics of conversation.

Modifié par MrNose, 22 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

@icarus414: I apologize if it seemed I was ignoring you. Regarding your first point, I liked that scene myself, particularly when it works out so that it's mutual. But I liked that it was mutual and not a one-sided Shep being that "big damn hero" as with Tali and Liara.

But I do think that Oriana will always be more important to her than anyone or anything else, unless and until she has children of her own. Oriana was half the reason she joined up with Cerberus. She will go through hell for her. I'm not saying she doesn't (or to be more accurate, won't come to) love Shepard. I'm saying that, if there ever comes a day that she has to choose to save only one of them, she would choose Oriana. But, then, I don't think that what she has with Shepard is love. It can and will grow into love, I think, but they've only just gotten together. Give them time. When I see what the established relationship is like, I'll reevaluate my claim.

They only just got together, but this is "end of the world" relationship speed.  Just like Ashley says that she loved you in ME2, Miranda also mentions love.

[Lady of the Waters]

Save Miranda in Mass Effect survivor by voting for Garrus



http://social.biowar...120/polls/5012/

[Strikor2115]

is there anyway to download Mass Effect 2 cutscenes off the net? I wanna make a Miranda video

[Valmy]

MrNose wrote...
I see your hot picture of Yvonne and raise you two spazzy gifs.

Could she and  Zac be any cuter?

[Valmy]

Collider wrote...

To be honest, Bioware also called Jack a psychopath despite her being rather mild (in comparison to what a "psychopath" may act like) on the Normandy if you go to speak with her.

And Grunt is pretty introspective for being a savage.

[Strikor2115]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Strikor2115 wrote...

is there anyway to download Mass Effect 2 cutscenes off the net? I wanna make a Miranda video

What scenes you looking for?

Haha well all of the scenes with Miranda in them, From the begining (lazarus) to her loyalty, to her romance, to the suicide. and everything inbetween. also her death scenes.

[jtav]

I'm about to go to bed, so I wouldn't be able to do this until the morning, but...



Earlier I wrote about how misogynistic I found some of the arguments for disliking Miranda. I also said I could think of legitimate reasons to dislike her. Valmy said that we rarely got them. So, would there be any interest in having me post at least one of them so you could respond/knock them down, all in good fun, of course.

[gutty47]

Its been a while since I posted... kind of hard when unconscious.

Sidenote: Don't get hit by a car.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I'm about to go to bed, so I wouldn't be able to do this until the morning, but...

Earlier I wrote about how misogynistic I found some of the arguments for disliking Miranda. I also said I could think of legitimate reasons to dislike her. Valmy said that we rarely got them. So, would there be any interest in having me post at least one of them so you could respond/knock them down, all in good fun, of course.

Sure that would be a fun exercise and really confuse the people browsing the thread.

Plus if we get those arguments later we can cut and paste what we decide

[Valmy]

gutty47 wrote...

Its been a while since I posted... kind of hard when unconscious.

Sidenote: Don't get hit by a car.

Geez pal I am so glad you are ok.

What happened?  I mean besides the obvious.

[Valmy]

MassAffected wrote...
Yeah, I "defected" to the Liara camp sooo I'll be staying faithful and siding with Jack...maybe lol...because I do so like the Renegade choice for that confrontation.

Former Mirimaniacs are always welcome.