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[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Three finals down, two to go.  Four of them being pairs of back-to-back exams, one of which being today and the other tomorrow. Oh joy.

As a way to get my mind off things if just for a short while, here's another round of Mira/Shep and sidekick!Garrus abus... I mean, snark.

GUY TALK

As if they just stood there during Miranda and Oriana's emotional reunion.



Miranda: ...
Shep: ...
Garrus: ...



Garrus: No chance we'll get your emotionally stunted lonesome self back any time soon, huh?
Shep: Not now, Garrus.
Garrus: And I thought Septimus was bad. Seriously, when the hell did you turn into such a wuss, Shepard?
Shep: Garrus...
Garrus: I suppose I should be grateful you didn't offer a hug or pull some other disgustingly romantic stunt.
Shep: I like to think I know better, Garrus.
Garrus: Shepard, your idea of a date is to go out and kill bad people. You don't know any better.
Shep:...
Garrus: ...
Shep: This is about the 'Shepard finally getting some' pool and you betting on me flying solo again, isn't?
Garrus: Sha'ira. Gift of words. Actual words.
Shep: ...
Garus: I rest my case.
Shep: ...
Garrus: But no, my bet was on Chakwas this time around.
Shep: Chakwas?
Garrus: I'm still 10 000 credits short and you're not helping. The odds were absolutely insane no matter which you way you looked at it, but, hey, no guts no glory, right?
Shep: Garrus, I offered to buy you at least ten sets of outrageously priced body armor.
Garrus: Shepard, your idea of style is a marginally different shade of gray. I'll pass.
Shep: ...
Garrus: ...
Shep: Chakwas? Really?
Garrus: She used to rank significantly higher than Lawson, actually. Something about her lectures turning you on and you wanting to maim the Cerberus scow. Never bothered with the details, really.
Shep: I should space half of you jerks and never look back.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 22 avril 2010 - 05:54 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Pratorians are freaking killers man, I once forgot to take the Cain on the derlict ship, that was freakin tough!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Damnit, what the hell is up with this forum and the size of pictures?

[Collider]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's that flying thing on Horizon and the Disabled Collector Ship.

Oh Praetorian...how I despise you so.

[Breakdown Boy]

Da Shadow Master! Whats up?

[Ieldra]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...
Damnit, what the hell is up with this forum and the size of pictures?

What's your problem? I always get them sized as I want, except for signatures, which get resized if they're more than 52 pixels high or so.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
Hi Everybody! An off topic question did anyone find a teammate completely useless? Me, personally found Thane useless now he's fanservice.I can't find a use for him I mean why have two snipers?

Thane is great. I like to take him with me any time against Collectors. Against geth or mercs, he's not so good but still OK. I almost never take Mordin.

[Ieldra]

Collider wrote...
The only squad mate that struck me as
useless was Jacob.

Jacob is very good. Squad Incendiary Ammo is great against armored enemies, and he works well with Miranda for
warp explosions. I don't get why people find him useless - I've played almost a whole game with him and Miranda in my squad (excepting mainly the loyalty missions).

What I dislike about the Miranda/Jack fight is that I couldn't solve it without siding because of the stupid paragon renegade system.

Do both loyalty missions early, develop your class talent early, select the specialization with +100% P/R points, and you won't have a problem. In fact, it's very easy to get both persuasion choices enabled here, unlike Legion vs. Tali.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2010 - 07:00 .

[Breakdown Boy]

I am loving playing with Kasumi, the Locust makes using three SMG's in a squad plausible, so now I play Miri/ Kasumi together with my Sentinal Shep. Freakin awsome!



Good combo's

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...
Regarding the Jack and Miranda fight...  I can see why Miranda got defensive.  She's clearly got to be wondering whether or not Jack is about to try and murder her, and that would be a tough fight for her to try and win.  In that situation I can excuse her for saying that it was "clearly a mistake." 

The important distinction: she said "You were a mistake.", in a way that implied Jack's something like a failed experiment. If she meant "It was a mistake to bring you", that would be OK, I'd even agree with her to a point, but the way she said it was meant to hurt. It's the only time I've heard her say something deliberately hurtful. If she wanted to avoid Jack attacking her, she'd have been better off de-escalating a bit. I think she lost some control over herself there.

I also consider Miri to be desperate to hold on to the illusion that Cerberus is a good organization with some bad eggs, because she doesn't know what she would do otherwise.  Ultimately she still wants to be a good person.

I don't think being a good person - as we usually understand it - is high in Miranda's agenda. There are lines she won't cross, she will protect the people she cares for, and she will act for the good of humanity as she understands it, but within those parameters there are a lot of things she'll do we usually consider bad. She's not a Paragon by any stretch of the definition, nor does she want to be. She does have an element of "the ends justify the means" in her morality. She must have, or she wouldn't have been able to work for Cerberus.

(Which is why we need a Miri-centric expansion pack in which she takes down Cerberus.)

No...we  need her to take out (or take over) Cerberus in a big way in ME3!

@gutty47:
Just read about your accident. Have a speedy recovery.

[Kabraxal]

Chapter 11 is up.

[Ieldra]

icarus414 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Have I mentioned how much I love that she never needs rescuing.

I'm going to have to go against the grain here, to an extent. Possibly my favourite sequence in ME2 was when Shep caught Miri as she slid off the platform, followed by her returning the favour moments later. Even strong and independent people are allowed to rely on others occasionally. It's one of the best things about having evolved as social creatures, if you ask me.

The difference here: it's not one-sided if you get both scenes with her, and it's a matter of luck. This scene in no way diminishes Miranda's abilities, it's just a matter of bad luck that she's the one falling and not Shepard. So, in my eyes it's very much OK here.
Let me rephrase jtav's statement: I love that she never needs rescuing in a way that makes her look less competent than her rescuer. Most importantly, she doesn't need rescuing from enemies.

[keegdarv1]

i find most of the shotgun users useless, Jacob is pretty useless if your a soldier(which is one of my favorite classes to play for some reason) Jacob just bugs me as it seems like if hes in your party hes the one to always make comments he and Tali seem to die alot in my games so i stopped using them , maybe its just the shotgun that makes them useless to me, thoug the dlc shotgun seem to fix that aliitle as it better then the in game ones



what is this problem with the Miranda Jack "fight" dont understand why people get that bug or whatever it is never had a problem with it always had the opionion to fix it without losing loyal if ive done the quests early or late. What makes some peoples games have a problem never got that



also to the Jack/Miranda "fight" ummm JAck to go to Miranda office looking for some kind of fight and as dont see Miranda as a person to back down in a way when being attacked like that i think part of her comment was meant as a stab back at Jack to let her know shes not going to take Jacks crap



being a "good person" is a matter to each person what one may see as good another may not, if you want to boil being a good person done to a black and white think then i guess yes Miranda isnt a good person, really in the Mass Effect world no matter how you play Shepard your not really bad, your a hero anyway you slice it just are you the help a kitten out of the tree type, help only when it can help you too, or just do whatever strikes you at that moment type. is Miranda a good person sure i think just not the Superman type of good more like a Batman or Punisher type of good(yes i went to comic talk for a second)



agree with jtav that was one of the first things i notcied about her, that she never needs a rescuing, the suicide mission "catching" cannot count in anyway as if shes not on the "right" side you could be catching Grunt or whoever you bring with you, it isnt a plot point like most others rescuing are or in one case her ever mission or meet her your rescuing her





gutty47..speedy recover to you, and done that myself it sucks



Kabraxal...good work

[Breakdown Boy]

Nice work Kab. Shep's desperate edge is a fascinating angle. Keep it up.

[Ieldra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Well, she states quite openly, that she ran to TIM for protection against her father. I can't blame her for that, but it raises the question whether she ever was concerned with "Humanity - first" agenda before joining. And, from youtube we (and some of us first hand) know that she is capable of outright betrayal of Cerberus. In any case, she second-guesses the decision to retain the Collector base for Cerberus. Which makes her far worse a "loyalist", than *my* Shepard, for example.

Ah...loyalty, one of the most two-edged virtues in existence, if you ask me, because it's not you who determines whether it's good or not, if you are the loyal one. Which is why it's sometimes called a secondary virtue - I don't know if that expression is as much of a dictum anywhere else as it is here in Germany. We tend to think adherence to secondary virtues got us the N*zis. Which almost makes my point on its own.

So, here's my take on it:
(1) Miranda joined Cerberus first for protection against her father, but she indicates more than once that she agrees with Cerberus' agenda (the advancement of humanity) as she understands it or has been given to understand it by TIM. This is why she is, as a rule, loyal to Cerberus for almost the whole game.
(2) If you're a smart person, it's natural that you are not unconditionally loyal to anything. If I may quote Voltaire: "doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd". If you have any kind of personal moral compass - and Miranda has one, even if it's different from the standard template - then you might become aware of a point, at some time, where the agenda or the methods of the organization you're loyal to conflict with your moral compass so drastically that you must leave. It may be a betrayal of the organization, but it means keeping your personal integrity intact. I don't know about you, but for me my personal integrity tends to be more important than loyalty to an organization.
(3) At the end of ME2, Miranda has doubts about keeping the base, regardless of Shepard's choice. But she only acts on that doubt if Shepard decides to destroy the base. Why? For two reasons: First, while she may have doubts, she's not sure what's the right decision, both TIM and Shepard have a point, and she trusts them both to a point. Second, because she'd be alone against Cerberus *and* Shepard if she went against them, and she would stand no chance. That would be stupid.

All in all, Miranda's behavior comes across as completely convincing considering her personality.

Edit:
The censorship on this forum sometimes is beyond annoying...
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2010 - 08:06 .

[Andysilv]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

Three finals down, two to go.  Four of them being pairs of back-to-back exams, one of which being today and the other tomorrow. Oh joy.

As a way to get my mind off things if just for a short while, here's another round of Mira/Shep and sidekick!Garrus abus... I mean, snark.

GUY TALK

As if they just stood there during Miranda and Oriana's emotional reunion.



Miranda: ...
Shep: ...
Garrus: ...



Garrus: No chance we'll get your emotionally stunted lonesome self back any time soon, huh?
Shep: Not now, Garrus.
Garrus: And I thought Septimus was bad. Seriously, when the hell did you turn into such a wuss, Shepard?
Shep: Garrus...
Garrus: I suppose I should be grateful you didn't offer a hug or pull some other disgustingly romantic stunt.
Shep: I like to think I know better, Garrus.
Garrus: Shepard, your idea of a date is to go out and kill bad people. You don't know any better.
Shep:...
Garrus: ...
Shep: This is about the 'Shepard finally getting some' pool and you betting on me flying solo again, isn't?
Garrus: Sha'ira. Gift of words. Actual words.
Shep: ...
Garus: I rest my case.
Shep: ...
Garrus: But no, my bet was on Chakwas this time around.
Shep: Chakwas?
Garrus: I'm still 10 000 credits short and you're not helping. The odds were absolutely insane no matter which you way you looked at it, but, hey, no guts no glory, right?
Shep: Garrus, I offered to buy you at least ten sets of outrageously priced body armor.
Garrus: Shepard, your idea of style is a marginally different shade of gray. I'll pass.
Shep: ...
Garrus: ...
Shep: Chakwas? Really?
Garrus: She used to rank significantly higher than Lawson, actually. Something about her lectures turning you on and you wanting to maim the Cerberus scow. Never bothered with the details, really.
Shep: I should space half of you jerks and never look back.

Lol! That was great.

[Jebel Krong]

gutty47 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

What happened?  I mean besides the obvious.

Wouldn't have a clue on the details. I was out walking early on Saturday and some woman hit me from behind. I bounced off the windshield of the car and into a chainlink fence. Fun times.

Almost died from blood loss via a cut artery but I got to the hospital in time (I rolled a 20 and made a save obviously). I was in hospital for a few days... they were concerned about internal injuries (I've got none). Doctors said I was lucky.

I came home late Monday and I've been resting since then. I now have enough energy to sit at the computer and think.

jesus....  hope you feel better soon.

[Breakdown Boy]

Night Shadow!

[Jebel Krong]

icarus414 wrote...

jtav wrote...


Have I mentioned how much I love that she never needs rescuing.

I'm going to have to go against the grain here, to an extent. Possibly my favourite sequence in ME2 was when Shep caught Miri as she slid off the platform, followed by her returning the favour moments later. Even strong and independent people are allowed to rely on others occasionally. It's one of the best things about having evolved as social creatures, if you ask me.

agreed Icarus, the moments when you save each other just reinforce your bond, and people like shep/miranda - even if they had siblings - would definitely be the most important people in each other's lives, regardless. weirdly though your LI isn't alwasy the one you have to save in that sequence - the game isn't consistent. shame as it is one of the best and most dynamic in the game.

icarus414 wrote...

I dunno. Shepard is aware that Jack can
probably rip Miri into very small pieces very quickly if she tried to,
and things looked to escalate to serious violence in short order if
something wasn't done. I just reflexively sided with Miranda and told
Jack to back off, and frankly, right or wrong, I'd likely do the same
IRL. But maybe that's just me.

i would have sided with miranda anyway, as i hate jack and would gladly have put her out the airlock. i only ever even get her because she's a mandatory stop (haha Bioware) and her loyalty mission is interesting. thankfully though i've always had enough paragon/renegade that i generally just go all renegade on them (mainly jack) and sort it out that way.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 22 avril 2010 - 08:22 .

[Ieldra]

Kabraxal wrote...
Chapter 11 is up.

Hmm. I have to say this Miranda is very far from my own impression of her. But your Shepard has something - I like the "this isn't real" angle. The scene with Ash (in an earlier chapter) is also nice.

[Ieldra]

Just noticed I haven't posted this one yet. OK, very similar to existing ones, but even so....

[Ieldra]

Last chance for Miranda: vote Garrus out.

There seem to be many people who desperately want to see Miranda gone in that game. For all that it's stupid, it amuses me to throw a wrench into their evil plots as far as I can.

But admittedly I also wouldn't mind seeing Kaidan win at the end, if only for the astonished gasps caused by such a result.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 avril 2010 - 11:26 .