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Ieldra2 wrote...

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Oh god Ieldra, I just don't have a clue what her codename would be? Cheerleader? :P

LOL.
Probably not, but It would possibly appeal to her dry sense of humor to use a name orignally meant as disparaging, and given by Jack of all people.


Hmm, how about Sarah Walker :wizard:

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Dynasty?!!!

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Bumblebee ... as in...

Homer: The bee bit my bottom! Now my bottom's big!

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Ieldra2 wrote...

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This probably too much to ask, but I wish we knew if the Lazarus Project affected how fast Shepard aged. It would make imagining far future (20-30 years in) scenarios easier. If he ages normally, there's going to come a point where he looks (and in some ways is) significantly older. His 80s will be her 50s. Or it could go the other way, with his cybernetics giving him a much longer lifespan than hers. Interesting, either way. The romantic in me wants his aging speed to match hers.

I think the goal was to bring him back as close to how he was as possible.  If they had wanted to improve him I suppose they could have given him super strength and lightening reflexes and improved biotics and the like.

On the subject at hand, I'd wager that Miranda would probably have a higher lifespan, at least because we're given an indication so whereas with Shepard we aren't. I imagine that Shepard may have gotten some upgrades, but as Valmy said they also did not want him to be incredibly different.

If the game does not tell us that there's no change in Shepard's lifespan, and procedures have been done on him that could plausibly result in a longer lifespan (which have been done), then we are completely justified in believing what suits us best - in my case, I want Shepard and Miranda to age at a similar speed.

Ah, and as I understand it, ageing is largely a function of accumulated gene decay, so if Shepard's been rebuilt with newly synthetized cells, then his age might have been reset a bit.


also "normal human" =/= standard genetic treatments for alliance personel as stated in mass effect 1, it's highly likely that serving people would have genetic treatments to lengthen lifespan, cure certain conditions etc. perhaps still not available to "normal" everyday people back on earth.

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jtav wrote...

I know BW didn't want to overwhelm us with either angst or pseudoscience, but I wish we could have asked Miranda about some of this stuff. "What's changed? Am I still me? How'd you restore my memories? Can I have kids someday?" Preferably long before the romance started.


the first mission gives you a lot of that and the "rebuild" sequence gives a lot of visual detail if you look closely. shep has some cybernetic implants, but most of his body was simply repaired same as you would from vaccum exposure. how that would affect the brain/memories i don't know, but given we can bring people back from the dead, under certain conditions, without brain damage after tens of minutes in some cases, it's not out of plausibility for that to be extended further. especially in a case where the body is almost cryogenically frozen as this is. the biggest damage to the body comes from water in the body freezing and tearing cellular material in a crystal state, nothing else.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Oh, I think Shepard is a better squad leader than Miranda when it comes to combat. On the other side, he can't do subtle, and Miranda is the better coordinator of spy operations.

lol, that's probably true (especially given some of your lines in me2). :ph34r: shep is a natural leader, though - a future leonidas.

jtav wrote...

Actually, I suspect it's going to take a
while for Shep and Miranda to sleep (as in actually sleep) together. No
particular reason for this, but I think they mostly sneaked back to
their own quarters afterwards. I also think they keep their personal and
professional relationships very separate.They treat each other very
differently on duty than at other times.


no, i get the feeling they'd start to sleep together more or less straight away - once the initial "wall" has been broken, they'd be all over each other, and there'd be no hiding it (i'm talking emotionally as well btw).

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a couple of small pics from Yvonne's new film "I love you, too":

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a couple of deviantart sketches i found today:
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jtav wrote...
I know BW didn't want to overwhelm us with either angst or pseudoscience, but I wish we could have asked Miranda about some of this stuff. "What's changed? Am I still me? How'd you restore my memories? Can I have kids someday?" Preferably long before the romance started.

I'd have preferred some remotely plausible pseudoscience here instead of the grossly implausible pseudoscience of the human Reaper.

How did they restore Shepard's memories? I can only see it if Shepard's brain was shock-frozen within two minutes after his death and recovered intact. After that, the information would have been irretrievably lost. So no atmospheric entry for Shepard's corpse. In any other case the information would have to have been stored on a more durable medium in the first place - probably an implant like the geth memory cores - which would make for some interesting conspiracy theories.

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i don't think re-entry is at all plausible, even in armour that would leave almost no biological material left (especially if it impacted). forzen due to vacumm exposure is easily doable - animals on earth can do it already (snails, underwater sea-life at the poles), so with the proper technology and assuming that the brain is still neurally intact i don't think memories would necc. have been lost.

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Yeah it is this last part, the sort of Michel Foucault/Karl Marx stuff, that makes me a little leery.  I am not too interested in viewing the world in terms of power relationships.

I don't suggest it should be the primary perspective to view the world through, but It's a useful perspective to adopt, especially since collective power relationships are a reality. Don't delude yourself into believing our societies are not stratified just because the stratification isn't codified in law. Viewed in this perspective, the question "why do men tend to monopolize power in almost all human societies?" tends to create different paths of thought than if you keep to an individual-centred perspective. I won't go into that seriously OT stuff here, but maybe I'll post something later in the Serious Discussion Group.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...
Actually, I suspect it's going to take a  while for Shep and Miranda to sleep (as in actually sleep) together. No
particular reason for this, but I think they mostly sneaked back to their own quarters afterwards. I also think they keep their personal and professional relationships very separate.They treat each other very differently on duty than at other times.


no, i get the feeling they'd start to sleep together more or less straight away - once the initial "wall" has been broken, they'd be all over each other, and there'd be no hiding it (i'm talking emotionally as well btw).

I'm more with jtav on this one. Being comfortable with sleeping in the same bed is something altogether different from generally being "all over each other". I'm almost certain Miranda would want to keep to herself at least part of the time, even if only to reflect on things undisturbed by the presence of anyone else. I think she'd need that. Miranda strikes me as a person who take only so much being close to someone else. She needs her time alone as well as her time with Shepard.   

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...
Actually, I suspect it's going to take a  while for Shep and Miranda to sleep (as in actually sleep) together. No
particular reason for this, but I think they mostly sneaked back to their own quarters afterwards. I also think they keep their personal and professional relationships very separate.They treat each other very differently on duty than at other times.


no, i get the feeling they'd start to sleep together more or less straight away - once the initial "wall" has been broken, they'd be all over each other, and there'd be no hiding it (i'm talking emotionally as well btw).

I'm more with jtav on this one. Being comfortable with sleeping in the same bed is something altogether different from generally being "all over each other". I'm almost certain Miranda would want to keep to herself at least part of the time, even if only to reflect on things undisturbed by the presence of anyone else. I think she'd need that. Miranda strikes me as a person who take only so much being close to someone else. She needs her time alone as well as her time with Shepard.   


i think that would be covered by having her own office/space for her on-ship duties as XO.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...
Actually, I suspect it's going to take a  while for Shep and Miranda to sleep (as in actually sleep) together. No
particular reason for this, but I think they mostly sneaked back to their own quarters afterwards. I also think they keep their personal and professional relationships very separate.They treat each other very differently on duty than at other times.


no, i get the feeling they'd start to sleep together more or less straight away - once the initial "wall" has been broken, they'd be all over each other, and there'd be no hiding it (i'm talking emotionally as well btw).

I'm more with jtav on this one. Being comfortable with sleeping in the same bed is something altogether different from generally being "all over each other". I'm almost certain Miranda would want to keep to herself at least part of the time, even if only to reflect on things undisturbed by the presence of anyone else. I think she'd need that. Miranda strikes me as a person who take only so much being close to someone else. She needs her time alone as well as her time with Shepard.   


i think that would be covered by having her own office/space for her on-ship duties as XO.

In my experience, work time doesn't count.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...
Actually, I suspect it's going to take a  while for Shep and Miranda to sleep (as in actually sleep) together. No
particular reason for this, but I think they mostly sneaked back to their own quarters afterwards. I also think they keep their personal and professional relationships very separate.They treat each other very differently on duty than at other times.


no, i get the feeling they'd start to sleep together more or less straight away - once the initial "wall" has been broken, they'd be all over each other, and there'd be no hiding it (i'm talking emotionally as well btw).

I'm more with jtav on this one. Being comfortable with sleeping in the same bed is something altogether different from generally being "all over each other". I'm almost certain Miranda would want to keep to herself at least part of the time, even if only to reflect on things undisturbed by the presence of anyone else. I think she'd need that. Miranda strikes me as a person who take only so much being close to someone else. She needs her time alone as well as her time with Shepard.   


i think that would be covered by having her own office/space for her on-ship duties as XO.

In my experience, work time doesn't count.

depends on the job you're doing, in my experience @ work, i can't wait to get home to the wife/son. but then i hate my job... :pinched: it's not like she'd be giving up her office/space, i think knowing it's there would be enough. besides given missions and life on-board ship, it's not like they'd be in each other's faces all the time.

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Miranda would most definitly try to keep her independence and that could cause problems later as she would still not give everything of herself to Shep, at least not for long period.

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Breakdown Boy wrote...
Miranda would most definitly try to keep her independence and that could cause problems later as she would still not give everything of herself to Shep, at least not for long period.

Why should that cause problems? Miranda is - and hopefully will continue to be - something independently from Shepard. I would really hate it if she started to define herself exclusively around her relationship with him, and my Shepards most certainly will not begrudge her a personal and mental space they doesn't share.

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Okay, confessional time for me. I expected from the beginning that I would either really like Miranda or really hate her, depending on how her "perfect woman" shtick played out (I was running on promotional info at the time). And initial impressions during the beginning seemed to suit my suspicions; shooting Wilson, her impersonal conversations, and near-hostility. I was getting ready for an ordeal.



Then the mission started, and suddenly she started regarding you as a human being (best I can describe it, not a bashing), and I began thinking that maybe she wouldn't be so bad. Hearing about her self-esteem issues explained a lot of her attitude, which made it easier for me to connect with her character. I found myself liking her to an extent.



What clinched it for me was, as it so often is, her commitments to her family, specifically her sister. I was really touched by her loyalty mission (though I every time cringe at Shepard's gosh-awful line "You still cared for him, even he betrayed you." Thanks for nothing on that, Bioware. Not even Hale could salvage that line).



I am still a devoted Ashley fan, but the hating on Miranda raises my ire as surely as does hating on Ashley. Romance with a Single!Shep is not out of the question.

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Thanks for the support Zeuss, you've come a long way. :D

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Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't suggest it should be the primary perspective to view the world through, but It's a useful perspective to adopt, especially since collective power relationships are a reality.


It is certainly a useful perspective to keep in mind I will say that.

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@andy Yep, yep, yep it do!

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Breakdown Boy wrote...

Miranda would most definitly try to keep her independence and that could cause problems later as she would still not give everything of herself to Shep, at least not for long period.


No more than Shep would give to her that is for sure.  I don't think that is very healthy for anybody to do.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Miranda would most definitly try to keep her independence and that could cause problems later as she would still not give everything of herself to Shep, at least not for long period.

Why should that cause problems? Miranda is - and hopefully will continue to be - something independently from Shepard. I would really hate it if she started to define herself exclusively around her relationship with him, and my Shepards most certainly will not begrudge her a personal and mental space they doesn't share.


This. If she ever does start defining herself exclusively by her relationship with Shepard, I'm killing her off on the grounds that her character's already been asassinated. There are always going to be things they don't share. Unless their sleeping habits are totally incompatible, I think they'll eventually work something out. But I don't think they habitually spend the night together on the Normandy. In my head, the bed cuddle scene was  something they had to work up to.

Morning all.

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Could you give me an example of what it means to 'define yourself exclusively by' your relationship to somebody? It keeps being brought up like it is some sort of huge danger and sleeping together will completely destroy a persons independence.



Again I guess as a married person who does sleep with my wife every night I never noticed me becoming a dependent person who defined myself entirely by my marriage.



I understand wanting to make sure Miranda remains a strong and competent leader and character going forward but she already has done that and there no reason to think that will change. Where is the fear coming from?