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[fongiel24]

Oh and props to the Kotor-inspired Shep SK. Bastila is still one of my favorite Bioware characters but I hadn't thought about her for a while.

[Ieldra]

I should remind myself never to ask an OT question on this thread.... people, one answer is quite enough!

Back to Miranda and her non-galaxy-saving activities.



BTW, am I the only one who thinks this background (window with stars) is one of the most romantic in the ME games? I haven't seen comments on this except those I made.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[Mercfh]

she would look great if her cheekbones were a LITTLE bit taken inward. (like her jawline)

because it's alot bigger than yvonne's



otherwise I like Miranda, she's more of my type IRL

[Ieldra]

Mercfh wrote...
she would look great if her cheekbones were a LITTLE bit taken inward. (like her jawline)
because it's alot bigger than yvonne's

I think they did that to make her look older. Went just a little bit too far, though, so her jawline looks strange from certain angles, like some of the Shepards I've created when the slider was moved 1mm and it made a huge difference. They shouldn't have done that in the first place with her backstory - she's supposed to look like 25 when she's really 35.

[Caihn]

They have exactly the same jawline. I bunk several layers of Miranda's face and Yvonne's face on photoshop and their lines are the same. Besides, like Yvonne said in an interviiew her face have been scanned and the model is the same. Only her body is different.

[jtav]

Well. I think the window and stars look romantic. Not quite so much as some of the planets would be under different circumstances, but still good. Then again, I have some strange ideas about Shep, Miranda, and romance.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Well. I think the window and stars look romantic. Not quite so much as some of the planets would be under different circumstances, but still good. Then again, I have some strange ideas about Shep, Miranda, and romance.

ME2 planets? Some look really good, but for "romantic" I'd prefer the ME1 planets. I recall parking my Mako near the prothean pyramid on Chasca and thinking that I'd like my Shepard to build a house or something there as some kind of retreat. Great planet, Chasca, to get away from it all - unless you have an ATV or a shuttle you won't get anywhere soon. Hell to travel around with the Mako, though.

Anyway, that's the place I like to imagine Shepard goes with Miranda at times, at those times when he does't like to be recognized everywhere as it would be whent travelling to Earth.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2010 - 12:31 .

[jtav]

Chasca might be a bit awkward for them since Cerberus did turn the entire original colony into husks. I'm fond of the planet with the Blood Pack base on it. That waterfall...

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Zorya looks like a nice planet other than it being home of that refinery where Vido was.

Got a nice screen cap of a vista taken just before you enter the refinery and have first confrontation with Vido.

Bekenstein seems kind of nice too. In the wiki it is described as 'the humans illium' so I imagine Miri might like it there seeing as it is known she finds illium interesting.

Chasca is nice, but I think one of the things the ME1 planets suffered from was lack of vegetation (which I guess is understandable as that would've been a serious resource killer).

Course one cool one that did have some vegetation was Virmire, although not entirely sure I'd want to go back there in a hurry even if only one part of it got nuked

Edit: @Jtav, you mean Xada Ban (blood pack base planet)


Yeah that is nice too

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 25 avril 2010 - 12:50 .

[Caihn]

Illium by sunset is nice too.

[jtav]

That's the one. *drools* ME was sorely lacking in good scenery.



Anyone in the mood for a little controversey? (regarding Miranda, nothing heavy)

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
That's the one. *drools* ME was sorely lacking in good scenery.

Anyone in the mood for a little controversey? (regarding Miranda, nothing heavy)

Anything to make it a bit more lively here.

And yes, Zorya and Xada Ban are indeed very nice-looking places. This talk reminds me of BG2 - where I used to imagine how my main character wanted to retreat to Brynnlaw after it was all over. Mostly without anyone else since BG2 had the same problem as ME2: the romances for female characters were a bit limited and/or not to my taste.

Edit:
I have to go back to BG2! I just noticed that jcomptons Nalia romance has been out for two years without me noticing. I waited years for that.....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2010 - 01:43 .

[jtav]

Anomen *blech*



Is there anyone else you can see as a viable romantic partner for Miranda? I enjoy mentally pairing her with other characters, particularly Kaidan and Thane. It's actually easier for me to ship her with them because their personalities are definite. Shep's a cipher, neither the usual blank slate nor particularly well-defined. I find him a bit dull. (I like my head!Shep and he and Miranda are quite taken with each other, but I'm keenly aware that I had to give him traits not suggested by the game and make him a bit less "awesome"). I like Miranda more than her romance.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Anomen *blech*

QFT.
What is it with Bioware and romances for female characters? Somehow there's at least one epic fail in any game. I could have forgiven them Anomen if he hadn't been the only option.

Is there anyone else you can see as a viable romantic partner for Miranda? I enjoy mentally pairing her with other characters, particularly Kaidan and Thane. It's actually easier for me to ship her with them because their personalities are definite. Shep's a cipher, neither the usual blank slate nor particularly well-defined. I find him a bit dull. (I like my head!Shep and he and Miranda are quite taken with each other, but I'm keenly aware that I had to give him traits not suggested by the game and make him a bit less "awesome"). I like Miranda more than her romance.

It would have to be one who could get through her mental barriers. I think she could get close to Kaidan since he's equally careful, but it would probably take quite a bit longer than with Shepard, and it would be difficult because of their different loyalties. On the other side, no awkwardness because of one being the other's commander, that bothered Kaidan in ME1. Yes, in a game where I play a femShep that would be an interesting pairing, but only possible if Miranda resigns from Cerberus.

Thane, not so much. Friendship, yes, and a high degree of empathy between them, but I can't see Miranda being attracted to a non-human. OK, I can't see anyone being sexually attracted to a non-human.

Other options? Not among the ME1/2 squadmates. No others I can see. But Miranda and Gianna Parasini could become best friends. These two are almost made for each other.

As for Shepard, I always add traits to my main characters. I think it's natural, since their personalities are left somewhat blank by intention. My two main Shepards, one male, one female, have a few things in common, for instance they are tolerant of smugglers and drug-dealers but really hate slavers, and will always pursue final solutions when dealing with them. One instance is Balak's second-in-command in ME1. Rani Shepard (my main femShep, an Engineer) was prepared to deal with him more or less friendly, but then he said he "just wanted to collect a few slaves", and that was that. Not all traits I imagine have consequences in the games, but it's good if they have..

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2010 - 02:30 .

[jtav]

Gaider usually does okay with female romance options. I like Carth, and Zev, and Alistair. I'm willing to handwave the illogical xenophilia in ME2 b/c Thane is the only one with a personality I can stand.



A Miranda/Gianna friendship would be wonderful. I can't imagine her being friends with many of the female crew. Jack is obvious. She and Cerberus in general probably deserve death a dozen times over according to the justicar code, which would make a friendship with Samara awkward. Kelly probably grates on her nerves with her constant perkiness. Tali's possible, but I just don't see it.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Gaider usually does okay with female romance options. I like Carth, and Zev, and Alistair. I'm willing to handwave the illogical xenophilia in ME2 b/c Thane is the only one with a personality I can stand.

Ah, yes. The DAO romances are definitely good. All of them. Don't recall much of Carth, IIRC he was a bit bland.

I can't ignore Thane being nonhuman, but I agree about his personality. He's interesting. Of course, the four-balls faction calls him "emo".

Miranda and Gianna as friends, that pair would be the very definition of "awesome"....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[jtav]

Carth at least has some funny lines where he banters and flirts with you. I was quite pleasantly surprised.



Thane is not emo. He's surprisingly well-adjusted all things considered. I wish I could get it through some people's heads that a male character showing a little vulnerability isn't a bad thing. I suppose I like being subversive, which I way I like to think my Shep has been pretty scarred by what's happened to him. He's functional but damaged.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As a rule, I usually try to make it a point to support one pairing alone, per character. Otherwise, it's not really actually support, is it?

But for the sake of debate, Jacob was the closest thing and canon says whatever they had didn't work out. Kaiden is waayyy too quiet and he's even more Alliance than Shep. Thane is way too zen.

But it's not just a Miranda thing. The potential LI in ME1 could've worked out in a similar capacity with another nice/neutral character. Those in ME2 that aren't Jacob...? Not so much.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 25 avril 2010 - 03:58 .

[jtav]

I am a shameless multishipper. Comes from being involved in fandom, particularly HP and comics. I like playing around with different dynamics. As long as the characters are recognizably themselves, I don't care if it's not canon.



And there's something about the woman who makes you promise not to die finding her emotions engaged by a dying man. Brings a whole new meaning to "worth it." Doesn't even matter if there's sex involved.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

jtav wrote...
I am a shameless multishipper. Comes from being involved in fandom, particularly HP and comics. I like playing  around with different dynamics. As long as the characters are recognizably themselves, I don't care if it's not canon.

I figured. There's worst offenses out there. Just don't bring up Miranda/Jack, which would be the most ooc thing EVER. Hell, Shep/Chakwas would be less OOC and there'd be the creepy matriarchal figure angle.

It just comes down to me being somewhat of a hard-ass with the whole OTP thing, lol.

Oh well. Back to playing ME1 before going through ME2 later this week. You have *no idea* how many grenades I wasted by mistakes and how many times I'd crouch in front of people rather than talk to them. Bloody modified PC key bindings, lol.

jtav wrote...
And there's something about the woman who makes you promise not to die finding her emotions engaged by a dying man. Brings a whole new meaning to "worth it." Doesn't even matter if there's sex involved.

You *really* dig the heavy symbolism, don't you?  As I've said, much worst offenses out there. Still, damn.

Modifié par DarthCyclopsRLZ, 25 avril 2010 - 04:47 .

[jtav]

I was an English major! Symbolism and irony's part of the job. Don't worry though. I dislike Miranda/Jack. "I want to kill you" is not sexual tension in my book. I slash Miranda occasionally, but not wit Jack. I lie my relationships consensual and semi-healthy, thank you.

Modifié par jtav, 25 avril 2010 - 05:02 .

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ah! That would explain it, lol.



I remember taking an optional litt class. During some discussion, our teacher asked us what we thought of various pairings/dynamics/relationships in a book. Didn't really have a choice but to answer, so I told her that my fav dynamic was between two mostly adjusted characters because there wasn't much drama. The look she gave me was priceless. Something about how the drama should be the story rather than actual narrative.



Let's just say I never got anywhere near a A in this class, lol.

[fongiel24]

I can't really see Miranda paired with any of the ME1/ME2 squadmates. I honestly think even Shepherd is a bit of a stretch because Miranda seems to be such a guarded, closed-off person. Shepherd intrigues her because of those intangible leadership qualities and superhuman will to succeed. For a "perfect" person obsessed with her imperfections, Shepherd is intriguing in that he's an "imperfect" person able to exceed her achievements. I see Miranda as initially writing Shepherd off as just a particularly capable soldier but as she sees the person behind the soldier, feeling somewhat intimidated. As Miranda doesn't seem the type to be easily intimidated (she is likely used to being the intimidating one with her combination of beauty, brains, and ruthlessness) this is what intrigues her about Shepherd. Some of the other characters in ME1/ME2 have interesting personalities and backgrounds, but I don't think any of them possess similar qualities that could hold Miranda's interest for very long.

[MrNose]

Thane = Yes. Thane, like Miranda, has his own unique ethical system. We give Miranda a hard time because she's unethical, but Thane gets a pass from most people because he has a different ontological worldview! No way. For me, I have to either condemn both or accept both, and I choose accept.



Kaiden... I don't see it. He may be defined, but he's not "the best."



I still like Shepard best for her though. Although he isn't a fully formed character, you can infer a lot from his actions. For instance, my latest Shep recently stood outside a store yelling to anyone who would listen that the store was classist. That tells me that my Shep is outgoing, manipulative, and ethically flexible.

[MrNose]

fongiel24 wrote...

I can't really see Miranda paired with any of the ME1/ME2 squadmates. I honestly think even Shepherd is a bit of a stretch because Miranda seems to be such a guarded, closed-off person. Shepherd intrigues her because of those intangible leadership qualities and superhuman will to succeed. For a "perfect" person obsessed with her imperfections, Shepherd is intriguing in that he's an "imperfect" person able to exceed her achievements. I see Miranda as initially writing Shepherd off as just a particularly capable soldier but as she sees the person behind the soldier, feeling somewhat intimidated. As Miranda doesn't seem the type to be easily intimidated (she is likely used to being the intimidating one with her combination of beauty, brains, and ruthlessness) this is what intrigues her about Shepherd. Some of the other characters in ME1/ME2 have interesting personalities and backgrounds, but I don't think any of them possess similar qualities that could hold Miranda's interest for very long.

Mmmhmm.

It's the fact that she can't understand Shepard that makes him extremely valuable (to her).

Modifié par MrNose, 25 avril 2010 - 05:48 .