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[Valmy]

Jebel Krong wrote...

meh i never kill anyone off... i think i have OCD.

Eh it is perfectly natural in a game to try to 'win' it by getting the best possible result.

Some people like to challenge themselves in other ways though.

[jtav]

I wish it was easier to justify killing people. It's a suicide mission, and I happen to like the ending with the coffins. Unfortunately, the only one I can justify is having Miranda do the barrier, and I do get tired of making life difficult for her. I like her. Unfortunately, I seem to enjoy making life difficult for her.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Sorry, Valmy. Let me rephrase. I always imagined Miranda as never staying in one place for long, never really having a place she considers home. Where would she prefer to live if she didn't always have to move for the next job?

Somewhere central and isolated at the same time. Globally, at the hub of a civilization. but within that hub, either at a somewhat remote location or a place artificially isolated. On Earth, Tasmania. Or on the Citadel, in the uppermost part of a medium-height building, low enough that there's an atmosphere on the roof, but only just.

It just came into my mind that she might like formal gardens.
 

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

I wish it was easier to justify killing people. It's a suicide mission, and I happen to like the ending with the coffins. Unfortunately, the only one I can justify is having Miranda do the barrier, and I do get tired of making life difficult for her. I like her. Unfortunately, I seem to enjoy making life difficult for her.

Have Jacob or Thane do the barrier then.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I wish it was easier to justify killing people. It's a suicide mission, and I happen to like the ending with the coffins. Unfortunately, the only one I can justify is having Miranda do the barrier, and I do get tired of making life difficult for her. I like her. Unfortunately, I seem to enjoy making life difficult for her.

So, you get tired of something you enjoy. Sounds a bit schizophrenic, if you ask me.

But yes, the reason why I usually have everyone survive is that's so easy to see the correct choices that anything else would make my Shepard stupid. Miranda for the barrier is borderline - she says she can do it, but clearly Samara is the stronger biotic. The only wrong choice I can see making is about the fire team leader. Which makes Tali or Legion die. I had that once and won't repeat it.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I wish it was easier to justify killing people. It's a suicide mission, and I happen to like the ending with the coffins. Unfortunately, the only one I can justify is having Miranda do the barrier, and I do get tired of making life difficult for her. I like her. Unfortunately, I seem to enjoy making life difficult for her.

So, you get tired of something you enjoy. Sounds a bit schizophrenic, if you ask me.

But yes, the reason why I usually have everyone survive is that's so easy to see the correct choices that anything else would make my Shepard stupid. Miranda for the barrier is borderline - she says she can do it, but clearly Samara is the stronger biotic. The only wrong choice I can see making is about the fire team leader. Which makes Tali or Legion die. I had that once and won't repeat it.

The only mistake I almost made was I had to think about whether to choose Garrus or Zaeed for the Fire team lead the first time.  I chose Garrus but I almost made the wrong choice.

Anyway it sorta makes sense, she like Miranda but also likes to challenge her and see how she responds I guess.  You cannot really explore the character without conflict.

[jtav]

Something like that Valmy. Just once I'd like to come up with an idea that unvarnishedly happy, no angst required. But she doesn't seem to lend herself to that (or I've read too much bad fanfic and become turned off by anything with a whiff of fluff).

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Something like that Valmy. Just once I'd like to come up with an idea that unvarnishedly happy, no angst required. But she doesn't seem to lend herself to that (or I've read too much bad fanfic and become turned off by anything with a whiff of fluff).

You do that eventually right?  After the characters earn their happy ending?

[jtav]

Well considering that my one story to date managed to depress me while I was writing it and I'm considering a Miranda/Thane story (easy Ieldra) for my next one, the jury's still out.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well considering that my one story to date managed to depress me while I was writing it and I'm considering a Miranda/Thane story (easy Ieldra) for my next one, the jury's still out.

I wonder what it is that you think I'd go up the wall about this one. Not one I'd care for, possibly, for more than one reason, but so what? 

[MrNose]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Well considering that my one story to date managed to depress me while I was writing it and I'm considering a Miranda/Thane story (easy Ieldra) for my next one, the jury's still out.

I wonder what it is that you think I'd go up the wall about this one. Not one I'd care for, possibly, for more than one reason, but so what? 

Maybe because you don't see Xenophilic relationships as realistic? 

I actually do.  Human culture adapts extremely quickly.  I think that at least for male humans, the desire to breed would cause several species to seem attractive, particularly Asari due to their human-like features and behaviour.  The farther away from human a species gets, the less easy the acceptance of them as attractive would be.  Of course if a person was asexual or demi-sexual, then I suppose the "net" they could cast for themselves for romantic companions would be wider. 

Modifié par MrNose, 27 avril 2010 - 05:20 .

[MrNose]

(BTW, I've only romanced Human characters myself, I'm just trying to think outside the box here.)

[jtav]

Yeah, you have been...vocal about how implausible the xenophilia was. I agree. It's just that it's all over the place in ME2, so I choose to roll with it and treat the whole thing as Star Trek or Doctor Who with different technobabble. Strange, then, how much Miranda's lack of armor bothers me. I suppose I should be grateful that human/non-asari couplings are infertile.

Modifié par jtav, 27 avril 2010 - 05:31 .

[Valmy]

MrNose wrote...
Maybe because you don't see Xenophilic relationships as realistic? 

I find them sorta squicky but that is just a personal preference.  You really cannot name something a human doesn't have a fetish for.  Xenophilia would totally exist if we were out there interacting intelligent aliens.

Of course surely some species wouldn't reciprocate...

Modifié par Valmy, 27 avril 2010 - 05:38 .

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

MrNose wrote...
Maybe because you don't see Xenophilic relationships as realistic? 

I find them sorta squicky but that is just a personal preference.  You really cannot name something a human doesn't have a fetish for.  Xenophilia would totally exist if we were out there interacting intelligent aliens.

You know, I don't actually find them "squicky". Most of them, anyway. But as for realism - or rather, plausibility within a plausible SF-like context, no, I don't see them as implausible, they clearly are. I don't think I need to write any more about this.... in the end, It's the exact same criticism I level against Paragon/Renegade-based appearance. It breaks the world as an SF universe. Nothing less. Nothing more.

And yes, I'm passionate about having my SF universes make sense. In Fantasy I don't care, but SF is all about extending possibilities into the unknown, and overcoming seeming impossibilities while still making sense. All of the miraculous technologie we see in the games and the books are extensions into the unknown, they don't contradict very basic facts in fields we actually know something about. With the exception of FTL without time travel, and I can take that because it's necessary for the ME universe to function as it does. And with the exception of those two aspects mentioned above.

Of course there would be a small minority attracted to things like Fornax. But ME2 treats it as a rule. And jtav, I don't mind you telling stories about such things because they're in an alternate universe anyway.

So, that was enough about my pet peeve in ME2 for one evening. Unless someone asks for more detail.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 avril 2010 - 06:18 .

[SgtPotato]

Now, that's uncanny...

[Valmy]

SgtPotato wrote...

Now, that's uncanny...

Obvious Chuck survived the suicide mission and called Miranda up to his cabin.

[jtav]

SgtPotato, that is uncanny. Levi's cute Though Routh is still closer to my type. My head!Shep resembles him greatly.

[Andysilv]

SgtPotato wrote...



Now, that's uncanny...

It does make you realise how much real humans beat virtual ones in the looks department doesn't it? Lol.

[kraidy1117]

andysilv87 wrote...

SgtPotato wrote...



Now, that's uncanny...

It does make you realise how much real humans beat virtual ones in the looks department doesn't it? Lol.

Of course, but in video game terms Miri is without one of the hottest female characters ever. Tho Yvonne is still hotter.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ieldra2 wrote...

But yes, the reason why I usually have everyone survive is that's so easy to see the correct choices that anything else would make my Shepard stupid. Miranda for the barrier is borderline - she says she can do it, but clearly Samara is the stronger biotic. The only wrong choice I can see making is about the fire team leader. Which makes Tali, Kasumi or Legion die. I had that once and won't repeat it.

Course that all depends on perspective, what if Shep wanted to see some people dead. Plenty of ways to RP Shep showing that the end can justify the means.

Take Jack for example. I RPed it that Jack Shepard was under orders that she wasn't going to make it out of the suicide mission alive, so as to ensure another of Cerberus mistakes was swept well and truly under the carpet. So who got swarmed whilst Miranda was maintaining the Biotic Field kind of funny considering Shep had sided with Miranda during the argument too. That threat of Jack's against Miranda was icing on the cake for Shep.

[jtav]

Strahovski has the advantage of much more flattering lighting. Miranda always looks too pale on the bed. Although she looks so happy and peaceful that it makes me go "awww!"

[kraidy1117]

jtav wrote...

Strahovski has the advantage of much more flattering lighting. Miranda always looks too pale on the bed. Although she looks so happy and peaceful that it makes me go "awww!"

Thats why they had the sex scene in the engine room. The lighting was way better in there.

[fongiel24]

For the sake of gameplay I like to get everyone through the suicide mission intact. If had to read a fanfic where everyone survived though, I'd probably have trouble finishing it. Having at least a few characters die is realistic (this is a suicide mission after all with ridiculous odds) and makes the survival of the few that get out more poignant. In my first playthrough when you leave the rest of your team to behind to fight the reaper, I honestly thought at least half of them would die.



Last night's Chuck was good (especially after a three week hiatus) but I'd definitely say the last one was possibly the best episode in the series.

[Valmy]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Thats why they had the sex scene in the engine room. The lighting was way better in there.

Way too bright.  It looked like flourescent lighting