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[Breakdown Boy]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

ugh. sydeny bristow.... yes her emotionality really got on my nerves after a while. especially her blatantly selfish attitude at the start of season 3... sloane though, there was a baddie (until they kinda ruined him at the end).

Sloane was cool but Jack Bristow was the best character on that show. He's still the coolest Jack on tv!

Blasphemy! Jack Bauer is far more the coolest Jack on TV

Speaking of which, if I was going to associate anyone with Miranda it would be Renee Walker

Yep! Jack Bauer is the MAN!

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
ugh. sydeny bristow.... yes her emotionality really got on my nerves after a while. especially her blatantly selfish attitude at the start of season 3... sloane though, there was a baddie (until they kinda ruined him at the end).

Sloane was cool but Jack Bristow was the best character on that show. He's still the coolest Jack on tv!

Yes, Jack was a very interesting character. He clearly loves his daughter but even so:
Nadia (after a debriefing): "Your father is, well, kind of scary".
Sydney: "Tell me about it."

He also has this emotional detachment and ruthless streak Miranda has, and he's also capable of multilayered deception, but Irina is still more similar because her goals are ambivalent depending on interpretation just as Cerberus' are, until the end, and you never quite know where you stand with her.

As for Renee Walker, I don't know her - I haven't watched 24, because here in Germany it set a new record for the number of interruptions by commercials during an episode. I couldn't stand it. But she certainly looks similar to Miranda, and from what I read about her she also has a few similar personality traits.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
ugh. sydeny bristow.... yes her emotionality really got on my nerves after a while. especially her blatantly selfish attitude at the start of season 3... sloane though, there was a baddie (until they kinda ruined him at the end).

Sloane was cool but Jack Bristow was the best character on that show. He's still the coolest Jack on tv!

Yes, Jack was a very interesting character. He clearly loves his daughter but even so:
Nadia (after a debriefing): "Your father is, well, kind of scary".
Sydney: "Tell me about it."

He also has this emotional detachment and ruthless streak Miranda has, and he's also capable of multilayered deception, but Irina is still more similar because her goals are ambivalent depending on interpretation just as Cerberus' are, until the end, and you never quite know where you stand with her.

As for Renee Walker, I don't know her - I haven't watched 24, because here in Germany it set a new record for the number of interruptions by commercials during an episode. I couldn't stand it. But she certainly looks similar to Miranda, and from what I read about her she also has a few similar personality traits.

jack veered between cool and not-so for me - he clearly was detached most of the time, but his going-off-the-rails when sydeny went missing kinda spoilt that - she was his big blind spot and anyone could manipulate that with him, as a result.

[Ieldra]

^^I can't see Miranda being blackmailed by her emotional ties as easily as the people in Alias.That's one reason why I'd rather compare her to the adversaries there. Not that the lines didn't blur a lot...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 avril 2010 - 10:12 .

[fongiel24]

It's been years since I watched Alias. I agree that Sydney is probably more idealistic than Miranda but I think Miranda can be blackmailed by her emotional ties. It's just less likely to happen because unlike Sydney, Miranda hasn't really attempted to live a parallel regular life with close friends and family. By keeping most people at arms length, Miranda has made it so her only real emotional vulnerability is probably Oriana. If someone were to go after Oriana though, I think Miranda could be blackmailed pretty easily.

[Andysilv]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Hey andy....er...whats with the sig?

I like the matriach bartender myself...."What a kick in the quad"!

Never really followed Alias.

Sorry, forgot I posted here earlier, lol. The sig change is just temporary, don't worry.

[Breakdown Boy]

andysilv87 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Hey andy....er...whats with the sig?

I like the matriach bartender myself...."What a kick in the quad"!

Never really followed Alias.

Sorry, forgot I posted here earlier, lol. The sig change is just temporary, don't worry.

 Just teasing.

Aria has a cool bad ass attitude that can be appealing to a renegade Shep. I think she will most likely be a strategic ally against the reapers.

[Ieldra]

andysilv87 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Hey andy....er...whats with the sig?
I like the matriach bartender myself...."What a kick in the quad"!
Never really followed Alias.

Sorry, forgot I posted here earlier, lol. The sig change is just temporary, don't worry.

Fortunately, people without Miranda sigs aren't forbidden to post here. They are just strongly encouraged to discontinue their heretic ways.

[jtav]

Don't worry, andy. If heretics were tossed out, I would have been thrown out long ago. It would be faster to list the crimes against Miranda that I haven't committed.

As for quotes, here's one I associate with Miranda's romance and am, in fact, using as an epigraph.

Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken.... Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket--safe, dark, motionless, airless--it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable. -- C.S. Lewis

Miranda knows this is true. It's just a matter of deciding whether its worth it to endure that vulnerability.

[Jebel Krong]

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 28 avril 2010 - 03:08 .

[Andysilv]

Very nice work Jebel!

[Jebel Krong]

thanks andy, i prefer my other one for my pc (the one with legion as well) but i'm hoping this will look good as the wall on my htc hero phone...

[jtav]

Gorgeous work, JK,



I sincerely hope this doesn't degenerate into a flamewar, but I'm curious as to others opinions on Miranda and spirituality. I always figured she was atheistic and materialistic, but not militantly so. Her reaction to Ashley and Thane would be exasperation, not anger.

[Ieldra]

That's one of the best Miranda wallpapers I know, JK. I love the details of her face.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

Gorgeous work, JK,

I sincerely hope this doesn't degenerate into a flamewar, but I'm curious as to others opinions on Miranda and spirituality. I always figured she was atheistic and materialistic, but not militantly so. Her reaction to Ashley and Thane would be exasperation, not anger.

I totally agree.  She has not really touched on her spiritual side at all but I don't think she is anti-religious in any sense.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I sincerely hope this doesn't degenerate into a flamewar, but I'm curious as to others opinions on Miranda and spirituality. I always figured she was atheistic and materialistic, but not militantly so. Her reaction to Ashley and Thane would be exasperation, not anger.

Exasperation? No.

If the consequences of others' spirituality would not affect her, indifference. Maybe interest, in a scientific way.
If they would, cool and consequent rebuttal. Action if necessary.
If others dare assume to know her better than she knows herself, anger.

The latter goes to you, Valmy - telling an atheist she hasn't touched her spiritual side will result in anger. An atheist would assume there is no spiritual side, thus you are making her what she is not in her own mind.

And yes, I do think Miranda is atheist. Materialist, depending on the meaning of the word - physicalist would be more accurate.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 avril 2010 - 05:46 .

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The latter goes to you, Valmy - telling an atheist she hasn't touched her spiritual side will result in anger. An atheist would assume there is no spiritual side, thus you are making her what she is not in her own mind.

I rather just don't think it is a need she has or something she has any desire for.

By the way an Atheist, I am one sorta, merely doesn't believe in God(s) and does necessarily not discount the possibility of having a spiritual experience.  They may just believe that comes entirely from whithin yourself.

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
The latter goes to you, Valmy - telling an atheist she hasn't touched her spiritual side will result in anger. An atheist would assume there is no spiritual side, thus you are making her what she is not in her own mind.

I rather just don't think it is a need she has or something she has any desire for.

By the way an Atheist, I am one sorta, merely doesn't believe in God(s) and does necessarily not discount the possibility of having a spiritual experience.  They may just believe that comes entirely from whithin yourself.

Ah...then there was a misunderstanding. I wasn't completely accurate, too. I'd say Miranda does not believe in the supernatural, whether in the form of god(s) or anything else.If you consider a spiritual experience not necessarily something connected to the supernatural, but a dramatic experience that makes you think about your own existence in new ways, then I can agree with you that Miranda has, so far, not expressed the need or the desire for such things. Nor is there any indication that she thinks about herself and the world in any way that could be described as spiritual. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 avril 2010 - 05:56 .

[jtav]

The only thing other thing I can see is that Miranda would get a bit twitchy (to say the least) around anyone who believed that the mere act of creating her was immoral. Also, hanar, because she can actively disprove their beliefs.

[TheSixthghoul]

Lets talk about Miranda's assets.Does anyone else wise they used a Yvonne's body as well? I'm sure they had a reason why they didnt. Personlly, I didnt need the extra fan service.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd say Miranda does not believe in the supernatural

Yep.  I think she would find Thane and Ashley as quaintly holding on old cultural forms more than anything else.

[Valmy]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Lets talk about Miranda's assets.Does anyone else wise they used a Yvonne's body as well? I'm sure they had a reason why they didnt. Personlly, I didnt need the extra fan service.

I way prefer curvey women.  With super thiness being all the rage I find it sort of bizarre that people find a slightly more vuluptuous woman 'fan service'.

I am sorry I thought women had to have no hips or curves to be fanservice.  I wish you people would make up your minds.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The only thing other thing I can see is that Miranda would get a bit twitchy (to say the least) around anyone who believed that the mere act of creating her was immoral.

Oh yes. She would verbally dissect the offender given a certain level of provocation.

[Valmy]

jtav wrote...

The only thing other thing I can see is that Miranda would get a bit twitchy (to say the least) around anyone who believed that the mere act of creating her was immoral. Also, hanar, because she can actively disprove their beliefs.

Now that is an interesting point.  I never got the impression they thought that genetically engineering people was necessarily the best way to make people just that she was going to make the best of it.  Would she be defenisive about the process itself?

[Breakdown Boy]

Valmy wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

Lets talk about Miranda's assets.Does anyone else wise they used a Yvonne's body as well? I'm sure they had a reason why they didnt. Personlly, I didnt need the extra fan service.

I way prefer curvey women.  With super thiness being all the rage I find it sort of bizarre that people find a slightly more vuluptuous woman 'fan service'.

I am sorry I thought women had to have no hips or curves to be fanservice.  I wish you people would make up your minds.

I don't know, all the women in the game are A or small B cups and have no ass, it's about time a woman with real assets arrived.