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[fongiel24]

jtav wrote...

I still like my phrasing. I have this scenario in my head where Shep is listening to Miranda's loyalty mission and wondering what it would be like if she directed even a fraction of the love and concern she feels for Oriana towards him.

I'm jacking that idea .

[exterminator_]

fongiel24 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not realy, she is just hjigh maintance. Shepard is lucky he can have a girl like Miri.

I don't think Miranda would be high maintenance at all. If anything, she's low maintenance. She's self-reliant, has a well-paying job (presumably), she's got her own separate life so if you don't call she's unlikely to worry too much about it, and if it ever turns out the two of you don't work well, she'll make a clean break and go on with her life.

That's her appeal, IMO. If you're fortunate enough to ever be in a real relationship with her, she doesn't NEED you, she WANTS you. She'll be straight forward with you and easy to understand. She doesn't strike me as the type to want to play head games, to string you along, or pretend everything is okay when it's not.

I dont angree with that ... but its ok

[exterminator_]

btw goodnight i am going to sleep -_--_-

Modifié par exterminator , 04 mai 2010 - 01:51 .

[jtav]

fongiel, feel free. Ideas are meant to be stolen, rearranged, and spliced. And I agree with you on the maintenance thing. She wants Shep. She doesn't need him.

[Markinator_123]

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

[Nightwriter]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

Mine!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

jtav wrote...

fongiel, feel free. Ideas are meant to be stolen, rearranged, and spliced. And I agree with you on the maintenance thing. She wants Shep. She doesn't need him.

Agreed. Much healthier. Needy isn't exactly attractive anyway.

Anyway... regarding those convos about Miranda's past "entanglements":

Isn't it canon she hardly ever bothered with *friends* ever since her Great Escape?  Shouldn't this utterly slaughter any notion of Miranda being in love  prior to ME2?

Her early character template screams "practical and dignified flings". Something poor Jacob obviously didn't get, lol.

[fongiel24]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

It was my favourite part up until renegade Shepherd's response: "We could all be dead tomorrow. If this isn't worth it..."

Did anybody else think that was borderline emotional blackmail? I chose the renegade response the first time but was so disgusted I reloaded and tried it again.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

Nah.  After Oriana's mission, when she touches Shep's sleeve or shoulder. Hard to tell, really. Anyway, Shep graces her with this hideously dorky grin and is instantly DENIED. Hilarious stuff. Way to go, Miranda.

On Shep's end, it's not so much what he says, but what he *does* when Miranda goes on about how "this is crazy". Second convo after Oriana's, I think. That upper body move and his "serious/battle-ready" face just strike me as hilarious.

[Markinator_123]

fongiel24 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

It was my favourite part up until renegade Shepherd's response: "We could all be dead tomorrow. If this isn't worth it..."

Did anybody else think that was borderline emotional blackmail? I chose the renegade response the first time but was so disgusted I reloaded and tried it again.

Maybe Shepard was just being realistic with himself and with Miranda?

[Nightwriter]

fongiel24 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Miranda is just an epic win for me as a romance option. My favorite part of the romance was when she was telling Shepard not to die. Was that anybody else's favorite part?

It was my favourite part up until renegade Shepherd's response: "We could all be dead tomorrow. If this isn't worth it..."

Did anybody else think that was borderline emotional blackmail? I chose the renegade response the first time but was so disgusted I reloaded and tried it again.

Not at all. I felt it was a very realistic sentiment, and quite a sweet one - if we can't enjoy the time we have now, and make it count while we still can, we'll be dead tomorrow and it will have meant nothing.

Besides, you simply cannot "blackmail" Miranda into a relationship. There is no taking advantage of her character.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

fongiel24 wrote...
It was my favourite part up until renegade Shepherd's response: "We could all be dead tomorrow. If this isn't worth it..."

Did anybody else think that was borderline emotional blackmail? I chose the renegade response the first time but was so disgusted I reloaded and tried it again.

Renegade Shep of either genders makes for horrible romances all around. It just feels like he/she's either corrupting them or totally taking advantage.

Except for Jacob, somehow. The guy just loves the abuse, it would seem.

[fongiel24]

Nightwriter wrote...

Not at all. I felt it was a very realistic sentiment, and quite a sweet one - if we can't enjoy the time we have now, and make it count while we still can, we'll be dead tomorrow and it will have meant nothing.

Besides, you simply cannot "blackmail" Miranda into a relationship. There is no taking advantage of her character.

I guess personal experience just made me interpret Shepherd's intent very differently. My interpretation was that Shepherd was using the possibility of death to pressure Miranda into sleeping with him before she was ready.

[Markinator_123]

fongiel24 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Not at all. I felt it was a very realistic sentiment, and quite a sweet one - if we can't enjoy the time we have now, and make it count while we still can, we'll be dead tomorrow and it will have meant nothing.

Besides, you simply cannot "blackmail" Miranda into a relationship. There is no taking advantage of her character.

I guess personal experience just made me interpret Shepherd's intent very differently. My interpretation was that Shepherd was using the possibility of death to pressure Miranda into sleeping with him before she was ready.

It is more of an honesty factor. Miranda is absolutely right when she claims that it was the worst time for them fall in love with each other. At that time of the conversation Miranda is fighting between the extremes of them not coming back alive and her love for Shepard. My guess is that Shepard wants overall honesty from Miranda at this point.

[Nightwriter]

fongiel24 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Not at all. I felt it was a very realistic sentiment, and quite a sweet one - if we can't enjoy the time we have now, and make it count while we still can, we'll be dead tomorrow and it will have meant nothing.

Besides, you simply cannot "blackmail" Miranda into a relationship. There is no taking advantage of her character.

I guess personal experience just made me interpret Shepherd's intent very differently. My interpretation was that Shepherd was using the possibility of death to pressure Miranda into sleeping with him before she was ready.

Personal experience? I'll resist the desire to inquire as to what's behind such a comment.... resisting - with... difficulty...

As I said, I don't believe Miranda can be pressured into anything, least of all sex. And I certainly didn't take it that way, though I suppose if you have some experience with men pressuring women into sex you might.

[fongiel24]

Nightwriter wrote...

Personal experience? I'll resist the desire to inquire as to what's behind such a comment.... resisting - with... difficulty...

As I said, I don't believe Miranda can be pressured into anything, least of all sex. And I certainly didn't take it that way, though I suppose if you have some experience with men pressuring women into sex you might.

Haha it's really not that interesting. I'm a big brother with two younger sisters so my instincts about this kind of thing are a little oversensitive.

You're right about Miranda though. She doesn't seem the type to cave to anything unless she herself wants it.

A question...

What exactly was Miranda's relationship with Niket? Also Miranda has an Australian accent yet Niket doesn't. We know Miranda grew up (or was at least born) on Earth, so how can this be explained?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

fongiel24 wrote...
A question...

What exactly was Miranda's relationship with Niket?

You can ask her about it after her loyalty mission.  She goes on about how he made her feel comfortable. Total friend zone material, borderline brotherly. She doesn't say it, but he was no doubt the closest thing she had to family prior to Oriana.

fongiel24 wrote...
Also Miranda has an Australian accent yet Niket doesn't. We know Miranda grew up (or was at least born) on Earth, so how can this be explained?

For all we know, she fakes the accent.

[MrNose]

jtav wrote...

fongiel, feel free. Ideas are meant to be stolen, rearranged, and spliced. And I agree with you on the maintenance thing. She wants Shep. She doesn't need him.

I'm not really comfortable using a Want Vs. Need dichotomy.  The whole "don't die on me" speech indicates that Shep is really valuable to her...  She doesn't "need" Shep as in she depends on him, but she doesn't "want" him as in he's a conquest.  She definitely feels that "pull" that love tends to involuntarily instill in people.  

I would say she feels "a need", even if she doesn't actually need him.

[exterminator_]

MrNose wrote...

jtav wrote...

fongiel, feel free. Ideas are meant to be stolen, rearranged, and spliced. And I agree with you on the maintenance thing. She wants Shep. She doesn't need him.

I'm not really comfortable using a Want Vs. Need dichotomy.  The whole "don't die on me" speech indicates that Shep is really valuable to her...  She doesn't "need" Shep as in she depends on him, but she doesn't "want" him as in he's a conquest.  She definitely feels that "pull" that love tends to involuntarily instill in people.  

I would say she feels "a need", even if she doesn't actually need him.

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[kraidy1117]

DarthCyclopsRLZ wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
A question...

What exactly was Miranda's relationship with Niket?

You can ask her about it after her loyalty mission.  She goes on about how he made her feel comfortable. Total friend zone material, borderline brotherly. She doesn't say it, but he was no doubt the closest thing she had to family prior to Oriana.

fongiel24 wrote...
Also Miranda has an Australian accent yet Niket doesn't. We know Miranda grew up (or was at least born) on Earth, so how can this be explained?

For all we know, she fakes the accent.

Maybe Niket was born somewhere elseÉ



Miris an Asuie.

[fongiel24]

MrNose wrote...

I'm not really comfortable using a Want Vs. Need dichotomy.  The whole "don't die on me" speech indicates that Shep is really valuable to her...  She doesn't "need" Shep as in she depends on him, but she doesn't "want" him as in he's a conquest.  She definitely feels that "pull" that love tends to involuntarily instill in people.  

I would say she feels "a need", even if she doesn't actually need him.

It's a difficult distinction. But if Shepherd were to die or leave, would Miranda be shattered as a person? For some reason I doubt that. Her "need" for Shepherd is a choice, even after pursuing a relationship with him. I guess the point is that she seems much more independent than most LIs. There is a person there that exists outside of her persona as an LI and continues to exist even after she falls for him.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The only time I had trouble was not nudging her to talk to her sister. That hurt. Everything else was easy. I'm just not protective of her as most of you. Gender difference?

There may be something of that in it, but in my case, it's mostly that I understand her too well. Taking various opportunities for "Renegade" conversation options:

(1) Right at the start of the game, the answer "Are you always that ****y.....". IMO he's being a jerk when he says that. In RL, the kind of people I dislike instantly are those who are intrusive and rude at the same time. I won't roleplay that.
(2) Then the "just remember who's in charge". Really. Such a jerk.
(3) Distrusting Niket: Very much OK. Some Shepards are too trusting, some see what's coming. And Miranda is, too, in this case.
(4) Letting her kill Niket. That's OK. It's what she says she wants. No reason not to take her at her word and let her deal with the consequences.
(5) Talk to Oriana: you could justify that, I think. But it does hurt. Especially after having her kill Niket.
(6) "This [meaning the romance] won't work". This is the thing I can never do. The "take the opportunity before we all die" setup is cheesy, but convincing nonetheless. The same with the pre-engine room scene.
(7) Confrontation with Jack. Well, Jack has a point, but given the choice, I'd never have brought her along in the first place. So I never side with her. The worst I can do is use the intimidation option.

 

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

fongiel24 wrote...

A question...

What exactly was Miranda's relationship with Niket? Also Miranda has an Australian accent yet Niket doesn't. We know Miranda grew up (or was at least born) on Earth, so how can this be explained?

I have a friend who is American but has lived in the UK for a good number of years, he still has his American accent. Just because someone has an accent and has known someone for years means that someone has ot have the same accent

As for Niket, as others have said I see it as a brotherly relationship which is why it hurts her most when he betrays her.

[Ieldra]

tommyt_1994 wrote...

Hey guys, just poppin in to ask a quick question. How do you guys prefer to romance Miranda? Do you like to push her buttons and trigger that kiss scene that ends with the "and stop smiling damn it" line?(I love that line) Or do you guys prefer to paragon romance her?

No question. The Renegade option seems more appropriate here, especially since the Paragon one doesn't come across as very convincing.