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[Ieldra]

antilles333 wrote...

It's Chuck. I.
I.....
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Will change my sig...

Perhaps you want to become member of the group as well. Even easier than a sig, because you don't need to replace anything.

BTW: Hi, ComTrav. It's been a long time...

[jtav]

Morning all *is chipper* Nice to know we can still have discussions. Even if I do possess an absolute genius for making Ieldra uncomfortable.

[Markinator_123]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
The only time I had trouble was not nudging her to talk to her sister. That hurt. Everything else was easy. I'm just not protective of her as most of you. Gender difference?

There may be something of that in it, but in my case, it's mostly that I understand her too well. Taking various opportunities for "Renegade" conversation options:

(1) Right at the start of the game, the answer "Are you always that ****y.....". IMO he's being a jerk when he says that. In RL, the kind of people I dislike instantly are those who are intrusive and rude at the same time. I won't roleplay that.
(2) Then the "just remember who's in charge". Really. Such a jerk.
(3) Distrusting Niket: Very much OK. Some Shepards are too trusting, some see what's coming. And Miranda is, too, in this case.
(4) Letting her kill Niket. That's OK. It's what she says she wants. No reason not to take her at her word and let her deal with the consequences.
(5) Talk to Oriana: you could justify that, I think. But it does hurt. Especially after having her kill Niket.
(6) "This [meaning the romance] won't work". This is the thing I can never do. The "take the opportunity before we all die" setup is cheesy, but convincing nonetheless. The same with the pre-engine room scene.
(7) Confrontation with Jack. Well, Jack has a point, but given the choice, I'd never have brought her along in the first place. So I never side with her. The worst I can do is use the intimidation option.

 

Even though I like Miranda, when Shepard says "Are you naturally this *****y or is it just me?" She deserved that at that point in the game. Wouldn't you agree?

Modifié par Markinator_123, 04 mai 2010 - 02:47 .

[Ieldra]

May I post everyone's favorite good morning view:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2010 - 02:45 .

[MrNose]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Wasn't one of the rumours about why she chose there was due to the core having some effect on people (specially biotics)

Pfft, probably!  If only we got to look at those pamphlets Mordin gave us.  He did say that biotics had special talents.  IMO, it would have been cool if at the end of the romance scene we saw Miranda light up blue. 

[jtav]

I didn't have any problem with the insults. I have to do something really vile before I'm bothered by actions in a video game. Like letting the demon possess Connor. Had to restart the game I felt so horrible. ME doesn't generally allow for evil on that scale.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Morning all *is chipper* Nice to know we can still have discussions. Even if I do possess an absolute genius for making Ieldra uncomfortable.

Oh, I guess I'm not the only one. I just don't hesitate to post any opposing opinions and preferences.

Only don't make the mistake of mistaking my personal preferences for opinions in the area of politics, society, morality etc.. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2010 - 03:04 .

[jtav]

MrNose wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Wasn't one of the rumours about why she chose there was due to the core having some effect on people (specially biotics)

Pfft, probably!  If only we got to look at those pamphlets Mordin gave us.  He did say that biotics had special talents.  IMO, it would have been cool if at the end of the romance scene we saw Miranda light up blue. 

That would have been nice. *adds to personal canon*

I promise I never spent this much time thinking about fictional characters' sex lives in my other fandoms. Nor did I have a feminist streak.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Morning all *is chipper* Nice to know we can still have discussions. Even if I do possess an absolute genius for making Ieldra uncomfortable.

Oh, I guess I'm not the only one. I just don't hesitate to post any opposing opinions and preferences.

Only don't make the mistake of mistaking my personal preferences for opinions in the area of politics, society, morality etc.. 

Oh, I don't. It's one reason I'll bring this up but hesitate touching on those other topics. And don't make the mistake of thinking anything I say I think Miranda would do reflects my own views. With a few exceptions, we're complete opposites.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Morning all *is chipper* Nice to know we can still have discussions. Even if I do possess an absolute genius for making Ieldra uncomfortable.

Oh, I guess I'm not the only one. I just don't hesitate to post any opposing opinions and preferences.

Only don't make the mistake of mistaking my personal preferences for opinions in the area of politics, society, morality etc.. 

Oh, I don't. It's one reason I'll bring this up but hesitate touching on those other topics. And don't make the mistake of thinking anything I say I think Miranda would do reflects my own views. With a few exceptions, we're complete opposites.

I also don't. I recall you mentioned you identify more with Tali. Who has, btw, with Miranda in common that both work for something bigger than themselves, as opposed to, say, Jack. 

But I admit I do wonder why you give Miranda attributes you don't like. Is it because you want to see her as a villain (I recall you said she would make a great villain)? While I, having more in common with her than you, of course do not want that, and consequently tend to give her mostly attributes I do not dislike?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2010 - 03:31 .

[jtav]

I don't think it has much to do with my belief that she would make (to be more precise, would have made-- I trust her absolutely and completely now) a good villain. Rather, I'm aware that we are very different women, and I don't want to project my own beliefs and values onto her. Many of the traits that I give her are simply things that I don't share, rather than things I view negatively. The sexual history and preferences I give her would be a good example. Many were born out of anger on her behalf. Some are attempts to expand or explain on something given in the game.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Nice to see this thread still going strong. Unfortunately I've not had much time to drop by recently.

Antilles, you've got it bad.

Don't worry, others have been there like Shinobi and yours truly.

It's a wonderful feeling but don't let it consume you.

fongiel24 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not realy, she is just hjigh maintance. Shepard is lucky he can have a girl like Miri.

I don't think Miranda would be high maintenance at all. If anything, she's low maintenance. She's self-reliant, has a well-paying job (presumably), she's got her own separate life so if you don't call she's unlikely to worry too much about it, and if it ever turns out the two of you don't work well, she'll make a clean break and go on with her life.

That's her appeal, IMO. If you're fortunate enough to ever be in a real relationship with her, she doesn't NEED you, she WANTS you. She'll be straight forward with you and easy to understand. She doesn't strike me as the type to want to play head games, to string you along, or pretend everything is okay when it's not.

I had to quote this. Completely agree.

By the way, anyone thinking of getting the new DLC? I'm on the fence, since there doesn't seem to be anything there I really want (and I already have the inferno armor, steam CE preorder), but on the other hand the OCD completionist in me keeps nagging about having every bit of this awesome game.

[Andysilv]

Hey Buddha, nice to see another familiar face around here. =)

[jtav]

It's return of the prodigals day.

Something I've been thinking about: has Miranda been to Illium before ME2? She obviously has several contacts on the planet, but part of me really doesn't want to imagine her being so close and yet so far from her sister and forced to deny herself again and again.

See? I do have my limits.

Modifié par jtav, 04 mai 2010 - 04:54 .

[MrNose]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...
By the way, anyone thinking of getting the new DLC? I'm on the fence, since there doesn't seem to be anything there I really want (and I already have the inferno armor, steam CE preorder), but on the other hand the OCD completionist in me keeps nagging about having every bit of this awesome game.

In general I'm disappointed in the DLC model that BioWare seems to be using, and this armour pack is not exception.  But I do have completionist tendancies myself, and so I'm on the fence as well.  

[Sleepy Buddha]

Hey Andy.

Limits, jtav? What limits? Who are you and what have you done with our Sadistic Miri Torturer?

I kid, I kid.

As for Miranda having been on Illium, after her comment about how much humans could learn from the Asari, I think it's entirely possible for her to have been there and on other Asari worlds before ME2. She seems to appreciate the Asari and their culture.

@MrNose: I loved Kasumi, her mission and the extra items we got from it. Firewalker was free and a cool vehicle, so no complaints there, and the alternate appearance pack was pretty cool (though I wish they gave us a new outfit for Miranda and TIM's suit for Shep).

My problem with this one is that I already have one of the items and the other 2 don't seem all that interesting. In fact, I think I would actually prefer another alt pack to this. Which I find weird, since this one is supposedly useful while the alt pack is merely cosmetic, but there it is.

[jtav]

Well, I did just finish a playthrough where I was as cruel to her as possible... But the situation with Oriana breaks my heart. Miranda deserves a proper family that loves her. No, not deserves. Has a right to it.

[MrNose]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

@MrNose: I loved Kasumi, her mission and the extra items we got from it. Firewalker was free and a cool vehicle, so no complaints there, and the alternate appearance pack was pretty cool (though I wish they gave us a new outfit for Miranda and TIM's suit for Shep).

My problem with this one is that I already have one of the items and the other 2 don't seem all that interesting. In fact, I think I would actually prefer another alt pack to this. Which I find weird, since this one is supposedly useful while the alt pack is merely cosmetic, but there it is.

It's more the direction I feel they are heading.  We had free stuff and that was nice, although I personally would have rather foot-based missions rather than vehicle-based missions.  Then we had Kasumi and that was nice, but it was also very light on content, lasting only about an hour.  Still good though.

But now we're getting alternate appearance packs and armour DLC...  This is some really unsubstantial stuff here!  Look at DA:O for comparison:  It has Awakening, Stone Prisoner, and Warden's Keep as extra story-based stuff.  Now the XBL marketplace has a new DLC called "Darkspawn Chronicles" listed.  

I guess my issue is that I see DA:O as being very supported with new mission-based add-ons, while I don't really see the same for ME2.  Re-skinned packs and armour DLCs are fine (and I might even buy them), but I would much rather have more content to play through and more monsters to shoot.

Edit:  Although from what I hear, ME3 is being rushed, so I don't blame BioWare for not having time to give us some more fleshed out content.

Modifié par MrNose, 04 mai 2010 - 06:10 .

[fongiel24]

Sleepy Buddha wrote...

By the way, anyone thinking of getting the new DLC? I'm on the fence, since there doesn't seem to be anything there I really want (and I already have the inferno armor, steam CE preorder), but on the other hand the OCD completionist in me keeps nagging about having every bit of this awesome game.

I don't usually go for appearance packages, but I might make an exception. Inferno armour reminds me of Ironman's armour and Tony Stark might be the one guy in the universe > Shepherd in terms of pure... coolness.

jtav wrote...

It's return of the prodigals day.

Something
I've been thinking about: has Miranda been to Illium before ME2? She
obviously has several contacts on the planet, but part of me really
doesn't want to imagine her being so close and yet so far from her
sister and forced to deny herself again and again.

See? I do have
my limits.

I'm pretty sure she's been to Illium. She's obviously very well travelled and Illium is a major hub in the Terminus. As for being that close to her sister well... Illium's a big planet with a lot of people.

Miranda could probably make up plenty of excuses for herself to not see her sister. Her emotional reaction after her loyalty mission may be a result of coming so close to losing Oriana. It may be that until then, she's never really considered the possibility that her father could take her. Everytime she went to Illium and didn't go see Oriana, in her head there was always "the next time". Her loyalty mission made her realize there might not be "the next time".

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, I did just finish a playthrough where I was as cruel to her as possible... But the situation with Oriana breaks my heart. Miranda deserves a proper family that loves her. No, not deserves. Has a right to it.

Has a right to it? Why? How can anyone have a right to a family?

[Ieldra]

MrNose wrote...
Edit:  Although from what I hear, ME3 is being rushed, so I don't blame BioWare for not having time to give us some more fleshed out content.

Where did you hear that?

BTW, I'm also not that excited about the new DLC because I already have the Inferno armor, it doesn't have a detachable helm anyway and the rest is not interesting. Doesn't matter, really. I just don't buy it, as with the Alternative Appearance Pack I boycott as a matter of principle because Garrus' armor should have been repaired in the game and the rest is definitely not my style anyway.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2010 - 06:57 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

It's return of the prodigals day.

Something I've been thinking about: has Miranda been to Illium before ME2? She obviously has several contacts on the planet, but part of me really doesn't want to imagine her being so close and yet so far from her sister and forced to deny herself again and again.

See? I do have my limits.

That's one area where I don't really mind. I still never let Miranda walk away from Oriana, but only because she's had that distance for years and it's more interesting to change it.

So it doesn't bother me to think she has been to Illium, not only on visits but on missions for Cerberus, in spite of her sister being in reach at least of the time. Illiium, after all, is the economical center of the Terminus systems. It would only make sense. I think there are also some Cerberus supporters there.

[jtav]

Er, I think I phrased that badly.



She doesn't have a "right" to her sister's affection. But the loving parent(s)/guardians, growing up with people who care about her and being able to express that affection in turn. She had a right to a father who didn't treat her like a prize horse. Given how accepting Oriana is if she meets Miramda, it sounds like they would have had a great relationship if things had been different. It feels like a loss that they didn't get to have the normal sisterly relationship.

[jtav]

I think we have just found my vulnerable spot re: Miranda.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
She doesn't have a "right" to her sister's affection. But the loving parent(s)/guardians, growing up with people who care about her and being able to express that affection in turn. She had a right to a father who didn't treat her like a prize horse. Given how accepting Oriana is if she meets Miramda, it sounds like they would have had a great relationship if things had been different. It feels like a loss that they didn't get to have the normal sisterly relationship.

Hmm. This gets into territory where I'd usually start to pick terms apart. But let's just say I agree with the spirit of what you said.

Btw, my own "vulnerable spot" is her confrontation with Jack. I cannot side with Jack - which is strange, because you can argue convincingly she deserves a rebuff there. Even so, this is not the time, and not the way, to sort out her relationship with Cerberus, especially not with a confrontative person like Jack on the other side. I'm glad I have the Paragon option here. 

Edit:
Quite a lot going on here today. Nice. Even so, it's not getting late but I must get up very early. Good night.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2010 - 07:32 .